17743 - Engine Torque Monitor 2: Control Limit Exceeded (was: 1st scary moment)

Quinten · 21-11-2006, 08:01

Driving into work this morning I used the cruise control for the 1st time for the motorways, and after 30 miles or so of leisurely cruising on the M25 I took the M11 junction and as I pulled onto the M11 I floored it in third. Rapid acceleration was followed by a sudden loss in power and the EPC and ASR lights both ignited on the dashboard. Engine went into limp mode and I immediately head for the hard shoulder. Coming to a stop I revved it once, but it didn't really do much. Switched off the ignition, waited 2 secs and started her up again. Gone were the lights, and back was the power

Will have to check the fault codes tonight...

Goochie · 21-11-2006, 08:04

SOunds like you've bought a right old nail there, Q.

TKW · 21-11-2006, 08:08

Scan for fault codes and look out for one which reads something along the lines of "engine torque limit esceeded".

**VRStu** · 21-11-2006, 08:33

or overboost maybe?

**tfboy** · 21-11-2006, 09:47

I've had overboost go off in mine. Car ran fine but no turbo (if that's what you mean by limp mode).

Pulled onto the side of the road, turned off engine, restarted, everything OK again. I was cacking myself, but Ross then reassured me (I was on my way to get it serviced

)

He did a scan and there was an overboost message logged.

Didn't get warning lights though. Guess I don't have quite enough torque yet

Quinten · 21-11-2006, 10:14

No, the limb mode was definitely full limp mode. Could hardly make it to the hard shoulder (had to cross an entry slip road). Tonight will tell.

Not having used VAG COM on a laptop in the past myself, do you connect it up, then switch on the ignition (without starting the car), before starting the VAG COM application?

***ncarring*** · 21-11-2006, 10:16

You can do either. If you connect it up and start VAGCOM first, it should also find the ECU.

Quinten · 21-11-2006, 10:31

Thanks Nick.

mbames · 21-11-2006, 10:55

I find that mine will find the ECU before I start the car, but having started the car it then decided there is nothing at the far end of the cable!!! have just ordered a new cable to find out if it was a dogy Serial -> USB adapter that was causing problems.

Quinten · 21-11-2006, 19:55

Hmm, my version of VAG COM doesn't allow me to scan automatically, so I had to do it the hard way:

17743 - Engine Torque Monitor 2: Control Limit Exceeded (P1335 - 35 - 10 - - - Intermittent)
01314 - Engine Control Module (013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent)
01304 - Radio (49-00 - No Communications)

Have cleared the faults, but I'll bring the lappy into work tomorrow just in case...

Quinten · 21-11-2006, 20:00

Oh, I forgot to add that it happened twice on the way back home too. The second time I had just switched on the cruise control again and it was accelerating from 60mph up to 70mph. Just as it hit 70, it threw the fault and I had to pull over again. This was in 5th gear.

Quinten · 21-11-2006, 23:29

Lots of googling and none the wiser...

Found two relevant 'solutions' which I'll be trying out over the next couple of days

Quote:

my friend just did a k04 in his jetta. he pulled the same codes. we found out the problem. it has to do with your asr system. your producing more torque then the system can handle and that throws the codes. if you turn your asr off then the problem will go away and the car will drive normal. let me know how you make out.

and

Quote:

Mine throws that code every time i use cruise to increase the set speed. Real gentle acceleration, with bugger all boost. Never had it other than when using cruise.

devonutopia · 21-11-2006, 23:46

Wonder if this is something that can be written into the map? Obviously you don't want to have 420 odd Nm of torque and find the car's brain won't allow it to pip 350 or something like that.

Stuart_J · 22-11-2006, 06:32

Does it only do it if you have been using cruise, Im intrigued to know as Im hoping to have cruise fitted to mine

***Neo_VR*** · 22-11-2006, 06:54

I think its a common problem with big turbos... or at least IHI ones..

IIRC Wilkos IHI golf does exactly the same thing... again only when using cruise control.

**VRStu** · 22-11-2006, 07:24

As Jason says I think raising the torque limit is something that the mappers take care of. I was talking to the REVO guys about it a few weeks ago when they were in Portsmouth.

Stuart_J · 22-11-2006, 08:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neo_VR

I think its a common problem with big turbos... or at least IHI ones..

IIRC Wilkos IHI golf does exactly the same thing... again only when using cruise control.

Only speculating being a techo numptie but these cars have self learning ECU's so if you drive the car on cruise for a while its all nice & gentle. Then if you switch off cruise & give a big dose of Right Foot does the sudden change send the ECU into panic mode.

Question for Q, are you running max boost all the time, I doubt if Ive turned mine down more that 5 or 6 times as I rely on the right foot to regulate it, Ive also done prolonged very gentle drives & never had a problem when I suddenly nail it.

Im just bemused as to why its cruise control related ??

SkodiRS · 22-11-2006, 08:35

I never experienced what Q did....although I did have an overboost error when I put an N75J on the wrong way round....car went into full limp mode...no turbo.

All was better after clearing the error code....was before the IHI was fitted though.

May be a call to Jabba for a quick discussion....maybe something to do KK and boost controller being wired into the same loom (?).

Tom_vRS · 22-11-2006, 08:51

Well going on what Adrian has just said, and bearing in mine that Q has recently had cruise control fitted - there must be a problem with that (No sh** Sherlock

)

Does seem strange. There must be an answer out there somewhere!

Quinten · 23-11-2006, 11:16

It's too early to call for me if it related to CC, but it does sound a likely candidate. I've been at home ill, so I haven't driven the car since it happened on Tuesday. I'm running on low boost.

Hopefully I will be back at work tomorrow and able to test the CC theory.

21-11-2006, 08:01	#1
Quinten playing dadsie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: fast lane Posts: 10,008 Thanks: 16 Thanked 40 Times in 37 Posts	17743 - Engine Torque Monitor 2: Control Limit Exceeded (was: 1st scary moment) Driving into work this morning I used the cruise control for the 1st time for the motorways, and after 30 miles or so of leisurely cruising on the M25 I took the M11 junction and as I pulled onto the M11 I floored it in third. Rapid acceleration was followed by a sudden loss in power and the EPC and ASR lights both ignited on the dashboard. Engine went into limp mode and I immediately head for the hard shoulder. Coming to a stop I revved it once, but it didn't really do much. Switched off the ignition, waited 2 secs and started her up again. Gone were the lights, and back was the power Will have to check the fault codes tonight... __________________ Awooga!!!

21-11-2006, 08:04	#2
Goochie Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Up a tree. Posts: 12,383 Thanks: 7 Thanked 28 Times in 26 Posts	Re: 1st scary moment SOunds like you've bought a right old nail there, Q.

21-11-2006, 08:08	#3
TKW Briskodian Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 931 Thanks: 11 Thanked 14 Times in 14 Posts	Re: 1st scary moment Scan for fault codes and look out for one which reads something along the lines of "engine torque limit esceeded". __________________ Octavia 4x4

21-11-2006, 08:33	#4
VRStu Briskoda Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 19,835 Thanks: 90 Thanked 858 Times in 773 Posts	Re: 1st scary moment or overboost maybe? __________________ Stu - Freedom Pimp Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2007 Octavia vRS, Race Blue, Xenons, Columbus Navigation, Rear Parking Sensors, Maxi Dot, Light Assist, Jumbo Box, 18" Alloys, Stu's Cruise Control & OEM Integrated Bluetooth Telephone. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - 2002 Lotus Elise RaceTech, Gunmetal, Radio, Carpet Mats.

21-11-2006, 09:47	#5
tfboy C+ à Paris! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tilehurst, Berkshire Posts: 6,137 Thanks: 13 Thanked 46 Times in 40 Posts	Re: 1st scary moment I've had overboost go off in mine. Car ran fine but no turbo (if that's what you mean by limp mode). Pulled onto the side of the road, turned off engine, restarted, everything OK again. I was cacking myself, but Ross then reassured me (I was on my way to get it serviced ) He did a scan and there was an overboost message logged. Didn't get warning lights though. Guess I don't have quite enough torque yet __________________ Xavier

21-11-2006, 10:14	#6
Quinten playing dadsie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: fast lane Posts: 10,008 Thanks: 16 Thanked 40 Times in 37 Posts	Re: 1st scary moment No, the limb mode was definitely full limp mode. Could hardly make it to the hard shoulder (had to cross an entry slip road). Tonight will tell. Not having used VAG COM on a laptop in the past myself, do you connect it up, then switch on the ignition (without starting the car), before starting the VAG COM application? __________________ Awooga!!!

21-11-2006, 10:16	#7
*ncarring* Don't talk, drive! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The B roads of Britain Posts: 12,867 Thanks: 15 Thanked 86 Times in 74 Posts	Re: 1st scary moment You can do either. If you connect it up and start VAGCOM first, it should also find the ECU. __________________ Nick

21-11-2006, 10:31	#8
Quinten playing dadsie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: fast lane Posts: 10,008 Thanks: 16 Thanked 40 Times in 37 Posts	Re: 1st scary moment Thanks Nick. __________________ Awooga!!!

21-11-2006, 10:55	#9
mbames Briskodian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Weymouth, Dorset Posts: 1,409 Thanks: 0 Thanked 51 Times in 43 Posts	Re: 1st scary moment I find that mine will find the ECU before I start the car, but having started the car it then decided there is nothing at the far end of the cable!!! have just ordered a new cable to find out if it was a dogy Serial -> USB adapter that was causing problems.

21-11-2006, 19:55	#10
Quinten playing dadsie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: fast lane Posts: 10,008 Thanks: 16 Thanked 40 Times in 37 Posts	Re: 1st scary moment Hmm, my version of VAG COM doesn't allow me to scan automatically, so I had to do it the hard way: 17743 - Engine Torque Monitor 2: Control Limit Exceeded (P1335 - 35 - 10 - - - Intermittent) 01314 - Engine Control Module (013 - Check DTC Memory - Intermittent) 01304 - Radio (49-00 - No Communications) Have cleared the faults, but I'll bring the lappy into work tomorrow just in case... __________________ Awooga!!!

21-11-2006, 20:00	#11
Quinten playing dadsie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: fast lane Posts: 10,008 Thanks: 16 Thanked 40 Times in 37 Posts	Re: 1st scary moment Oh, I forgot to add that it happened twice on the way back home too. The second time I had just switched on the cruise control again and it was accelerating from 60mph up to 70mph. Just as it hit 70, it threw the fault and I had to pull over again. This was in 5th gear. __________________ Awooga!!!

21-11-2006, 23:46	#13
devonutopia Mongreller Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ooo-ar, Oi be from Devonshire Posts: 29,194 Thanks: 58 Thanked 288 Times in 234 Posts	Re: 17743 - Engine Torque Monitor 2: Control Limit Exceeded (was: 1st scary moment) Wonder if this is something that can be written into the map? Obviously you don't want to have 420 odd Nm of torque and find the car's brain won't allow it to pip 350 or something like that. __________________ Jason - Mongrel owner! WOOOOF! Grrrrr Custom Fabia Bonnet Lifter Kits - £45! Click Me. See the mongrel's 260bhp Dyno Video!

22-11-2006, 06:32	#14
Stuart_J Briskodian Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Winchester Posts: 5,555 Thanks: 37 Thanked 79 Times in 72 Posts	Re: 17743 - Engine Torque Monitor 2: Control Limit Exceeded (was: 1st scary moment) Does it only do it if you have been using cruise, Im intrigued to know as Im hoping to have cruise fitted to mine __________________ Speed is an addiction for which thankfully there is no cure

22-11-2006, 06:54	#15
*Neo_VR* UberMod™ Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 11,871 Thanks: 61 Thanked 153 Times in 108 Posts	Re: 17743 - Engine Torque Monitor 2: Control Limit Exceeded (was: 1st scary moment) I think its a common problem with big turbos... or at least IHI ones.. IIRC Wilkos IHI golf does exactly the same thing... again only when using cruise control. __________________ ColGod the UberMod VXR, Gti, ST, Type-R, vRS, Shifty... An MPS fears not these things...

22-11-2006, 07:24	#16
VRStu Briskoda Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Hampshire Posts: 19,835 Thanks: 90 Thanked 858 Times in 773 Posts	Re: 17743 - Engine Torque Monitor 2: Control Limit Exceeded (was: 1st scary moment) As Jason says I think raising the torque limit is something that the mappers take care of. I was talking to the REVO guys about it a few weeks ago when they were in Portsmouth. __________________ Stu - Freedom Pimp Stu's Websites - http://www.fabia-vrs.com & http://www.octavia-vrs.com Stu's Car - 2007 Octavia vRS, Race Blue, Xenons, Columbus Navigation, Rear Parking Sensors, Maxi Dot, Light Assist, Jumbo Box, 18" Alloys, Stu's Cruise Control & OEM Integrated Bluetooth Telephone. SWMBO's Car - 2008 Seat LEON TDi Stylance, Black Magic, Sports Pack, Rear Parking Sensors. Something for Weekend - 2002 Lotus Elise RaceTech, Gunmetal, Radio, Carpet Mats.

22-11-2006, 08:35	#18
SkodiRS BRISKODA Staff Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: darkest Hampshire Posts: 8,650 Thanks: 0 Thanked 17 Times in 13 Posts	Re: 17743 - Engine Torque Monitor 2: Control Limit Exceeded (was: 1st scary moment) I never experienced what Q did....although I did have an overboost error when I put an N75J on the wrong way round....car went into full limp mode...no turbo. All was better after clearing the error code....was before the IHI was fitted though. May be a call to Jabba for a quick discussion....maybe something to do KK and boost controller being wired into the same loom (?). __________________ Adrian.

22-11-2006, 08:51	#19
Tom_vRS Briskodaholic Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Fenland, Cambridgeshire Posts: 10,786 Thanks: 573 Thanked 362 Times in 244 Posts	Re: 17743 - Engine Torque Monitor 2: Control Limit Exceeded (was: 1st scary moment) Well going on what Adrian has just said, and bearing in mine that Q has recently had cruise control fitted - there must be a problem with that (No sh** Sherlock ) Does seem strange. There must be an answer out there somewhere! __________________ 97/R BMW 328i in Boston Green. << Clickable for boring info. My Journal

23-11-2006, 11:16	#20
Quinten playing dadsie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: fast lane Posts: 10,008 Thanks: 16 Thanked 40 Times in 37 Posts	Re: 17743 - Engine Torque Monitor 2: Control Limit Exceeded (was: 1st scary moment) It's too early to call for me if it related to CC, but it does sound a likely candidate. I've been at home ill, so I haven't driven the car since it happened on Tuesday. I'm running on low boost. Hopefully I will be back at work tomorrow and able to test the CC theory. __________________ Awooga!!!

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