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#1 ultra_joel88

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 02:11

My mate has a fabia vrs with a remap superchip from chipchippers.chipnet and says tis faster than an octavia vrs especially off the line is this right?

he says all the little torquer men in the clutch add power?

also he said the fabia vrs is the only "real" VRS as its been rallied?

dunno, but i heard jasc1988 agreed.

#2 bigal rallyred

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 07:09

The Mk1 Octy was rallied before the Fabia and did fairly well.

the fabia being a derv isn't designed to be quick off the line but a standard Octy against a mapped or chipped Fab would be close I'd say.

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 07:35

A mapped Fab will be similar bhp compared to te octy but in a smaller car so may well be quicker off the mark. The downside to the fab would be the limited rev range so the octy may catch up a bit by not having to change gears so often (if going to 60mph). Whichever it would be pretty close and probably depend on the driver more than the car (i.e. who can get the cleanest start). Once in gear though I would have thought the Fab would take it due to the extra torque. However, I am sure someone has done this test on here somewhere and will give you the definitive answer.

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 07:44

I agree with both answers. It certainly would be an interesting test and as bigal rallyred said the octavia was rally for a few years as the octavia wrc 4wd.

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 09:19

Pfff diesel delusions.....

The day a 1.9 turbo diesel is faster than a 1.8 turbo petrol (of equal states of tune), i'll eat my own face.

And the weight factor has naff all effect, just put a small child (or large dog/badger) in the fabia and they weigh the same. (Fabia vRS=1315kg, Octavia vRS=1375kg).

It's all about power delivery and driveability. All this ranting about peak torque means nothing. Show me a power/torque curve you slags!!

Also having done alot of miles both in the VAG 1.9TDi and 1.8T, I know which one is more fun and involving to drive.

So take your diesel supermini and stuff it up your hind quarters!!

Wooo I win! Hahaha

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 09:33

:iagree: But a few kilos is a lot of difference haha :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 10:32

I love this argument - gets so many people upset.
From personal testing in the 'real' world (all standard) - a well driven PD130 in an Octavia is usually quicker off the line than a VRS (better traction/torque - who knows?) but ultimately the VRS is quicker (substantially on a race track I would expect) especially at higher speed acceleration - but you're talking a few feet, not one car headed for the horizon and one eating dust.

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 10:45

I love this argument - gets so many people upset.
From personal testing in the 'real' world (all standard) - a well driven PD130 in an Octavia is usually quicker off the line than a VRS (better traction/torque - who knows?) but ultimately the VRS is quicker (substantially on a race track I would expect) especially at higher speed acceleration - but you're talking a few feet, not one car headed for the horizon and one eating dust.


Thats not what you said the other day is it ???


A Fab might be quicker for about the first 40-60ish yards, but then I think it would be game over.


FWIW, I'm told every 5 kilo's shed = 1 BHP

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 11:18

Just like too add that my calculations are based on no fact whatsoever.

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 11:47

Just like too add that my calculations are based on no fact whatsoever.


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 11:55

Not exactly true. Just done some quick maths and I'm guessing you're judging bhp per ton when you compare the benefits of weight loss v power gain.

If you take a standard Octavia VRS at 180bhp weighing 1375kg then bhp per ton is 130.90

A) Lose 10kg and your bhp per ton becomes 131.868

B) Lose 20kg and your bhp per ton becomes 132.841

To get the same bhp per ton by adding power you would need A) 181.318bhp B)181.657bhp

So effectively you could say cutting 20kg weight = adding 1.657bhp

But this would be different in the standard Fabia VRS @ 130bhp

Same maths shows cutting 20kg weight = adding 2.008bhp

It's impossible to put an exact figure on as it increases exponentially (I think that's the right word) so it depends on how much weight/power you have to start with.

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 11:58

A magic tree would make all the difference though:rofl:

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 12:17

I've heard that the Fabia was developed for girls and children, and the Octavia was designed for men and large bears. According to my mate Dave....

If someone in a standard Fabia vRS wants to have a race around the 'ring and see what happens, bring it awn! I believe a heavy spanking would be in order!

I bet I'm quicker off the line on my bicycle, than alot of fast cars, but that doesn't really mean jip does it!

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 12:20

In the real world or on the road whatever you want call it.... to me the way a car feels and drives is what its all about. I'd rather have a car that felt quicker than one that felt slower but was in fact quicker. (Hold on does that make sense? lol)

What i'm trying to say is that i've been in a conservatively remapped fabia vrs roughly 175bhp and 320 ft lbs and i've been in an octavia vrs and i'm not saying it is faster, but on the road the fabia felt twice as fast that surge of 300+ ft lbs is incredible. Getting back into the octy vrs felt tame.

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 12:33

Aren't we all forgetting the 2 litre Fabia...? I've heard they've upset many an Octy vRS... ;):rofl:

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 13:10

Aaaaaaaarg stop it!!

Fabia vRS 0-60mph = 9.2secs
Octavia vRS 0-60mph = 7.6secs

You can't bring tuning into it, as it makes the argument void.

A tuned Flabbia might be quicker than a standard Octagon, but who cares. Chitty chitty bang bang is quicker than a Flabbia when tuned.

Torque is usefull for pulling trains though, I must admit.

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 13:55

Aaaaaaaarg stop it!!

Fabia vRS 0-60mph = 9.2secs
Octavia vRS 0-60mph = 7.6secs

You can't bring tuning into it, as it makes the argument void.

A tuned Flabbia might be quicker than a standard Octagon, but who cares. Chitty chitty bang bang is quicker than a Flabbia when tuned.

Torque is usefull for pulling trains though, I must admit.


Try reading the original post, this whole thread is about a remapped fabia against a std octy.

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 14:20

The start of this thread smacks of trolling.

Love the line "also he said the fabia vrs is the only "real" VRS as its been rallied?"

Ermmmm someone needs to get the facts straight on that one .... LOL !!!!!

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 14:36

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 14:55

Try reading the original post, this whole thread is about a remapped fabia against a std octy.


So it's pointless then!

Moving on.......

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 16:47

Not exactly true. Just done some quick maths and I'm guessing you're judging bhp per ton when you compare the benefits of weight loss v power gain.


I wasn't judging anything to be honest. I'm only repeating what i was told, no need to get all technical, because as I said I don't even know what I'm on about.:o

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 12:32

Fair enough, but I do. I wasn't having a go, just clarifying the point you had made. :)

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 12:49

Well having owned both models,
Both were re-mapped..
Octavia was quick, decent midrange, long gears meant less gearchanges etc...and it belted along nicely at higher speed.

Fabia, huge midrange, a fair few gearchanges, now, i would say here, the Fabia feels quicker, but it's not, the torque makes it feel quicker than it actually is...and where the Fabia starts to fade, the Octavia would just keep going.

Over and above all that, i prefer the lazy power of the Fabia. :)

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 15:25

just think what basic engine did they use in the fabia WRC and which car has it as standard!!!

i personnaly think they are horses for courses, Fabia is a accountants sports hatch, the octavia vrs is the family mans sports car.

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 16:51

My mate has a mapped Fabia VRS we have had this argument and settled it, both cars are modded slightly and improved in the same area's, on our 1st grudge match My octy just went away from him at an alarming rate in every gear, on the second run he got it Little neater but still I was faster then him easily, we then swapped cars and he pawned me utterly as I forgot it was an oil burner, once I compensated I got Little closer but never near him.

All that said we done a MPH rolling gooooooo and he got 2 car lengths on me and then changed gear and obviously i didn't and just went away from their.

We wanna get on some faster 5th gear stuff as he reckons my **** is grass in 5th and planting it..

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 20:21

A Fabia will never be a match to the Octavia due to the speed of the Octy :)

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 20:39

A Fabia will never be a match to the Octavia due to the speed of the Octy :)


Yes it will.........I think:confused::confused:

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 20:45

Yes it will.........I think:confused::confused:


The Labia will top out long before the Octavia :)

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Posted 24 September 2008 - 20:45

The Labia will top out long before the Octavia :)


Do you want a fight about it :p





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Posted 25 September 2008 - 15:05

Do you want a fight about it :p





;)


We have both a Fabia and an Octavia, so I know which car is the fastest :p