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#31 Billbow

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Posted 18 September 2009 - 17:40

My current car is a Touran with the ESP problem. Out of warranty but awaiting an offer of 'good will' from the VW dealer.

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Posted 18 September 2009 - 19:02

I hope that the new unit has been updated from the old to ensure that it doesn't just fail again in another 3 years or so!

#33 rotodiesel

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Posted 18 September 2009 - 20:23

Could anyone confirm the make of these failed units. It seems that in around '05, VAG changed from Bosch to Continental/Teves and these latter units are the ones which fail.

VAG bean counters again?

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Posted 18 September 2009 - 20:41

Hope my car not go this way in 3 years time! but what about the likes of eurocarparts.com to get priced part cheeper? if VAG are not going to pay up.

Also I will check my unit ABS AM to see what make is fitted, my car was built in August 2008 (engine July) from all the stamps etc. Wonder if they have gone back to Bosch.

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 16:59

Guys,

My car went in for repair today and I have just gotten back from the dealer with a huge smile on my face. Skoda somehow decided to contribute 60%, the dealer 10%, leaving me to pay 30%. The price on the part was also reduced. this left me a bill of £271.03 Boy, I have never been so happy to pay £271, considering the original estimate.
I hope all you guys get a similar deal.

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 17:08

Good result and I'm glad you're pleased. Don't delude yourself though - VAG buy thousands of these units and don't pay much for them - parts prices are typically at least 10x build price. VAG will never be out of pocket in a case like this.

Does anyone know who produced this crappy unit?

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Posted 26 September 2009 - 18:26

Guys,

My car went in for repair today and I have just gotten back from the dealer with a huge smile on my face. Skoda somehow decided to contribute 60%, the dealer 10%, leaving me to pay 30%. The price on the part was also reduced. this left me a bill of £271.03 Boy, I have never been so happy to pay £271, considering the original estimate.
I hope all you guys get a similar deal.

Paulo



Bugger, mine was done yesterday,I had to cough up £595, I paid 60% skoda paid 40%,
I kept the old one just in case aswell,

#38 paulolourenco76

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Posted 28 September 2009 - 13:31

Bugger, mine was done yesterday,I had to cough up £595, I paid 60% skoda paid 40%,
I kept the old one just in case aswell,


Sorry to hear that... I was told by skoda Customer Services that they were taking into consideration that this was my second Skoda as well (I had a Fabia vRS beforehand), but that was when I was quoted the £500... so I was very surprised myself... could my dealer have made a mistake?

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Posted 28 September 2009 - 16:52

Sorry to hear that... I was told by skoda Customer Services that they were taking into consideration that this was my second Skoda as well (I had a Fabia vRS beforehand), but that was when I was quoted the £500... so I was very surprised myself... could my dealer have made a mistake?



no, I dont think the dealer made a mistake, the service guy told me that skoda themselves have reduced the price by quite a bit on the part, if I bought the car from a dealer I would of kicked up a fuss, but I didnt :(

never mind I'm just pleased its all fixed :)

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Posted 29 September 2009 - 13:15

Had a call From VOSA today regarding a letter I sent them in relation to our concerns about the ABS unit failure's. They said they were aware of a large number of ABS unit failure's within the VWAG but did not feel that it required a recell as it does not effect the vehicle's ability to operate normally. That their is a visible warning showing a failure of the ABS and that Skoda have been offering gestures of goodwill toward covering some of the cost of the repairs. They also comented that if the repair work is not carried out or put into process to do so as soon as possible then your vehicle insurance may not cover you in the event of an accident because the vehicle does not meet the cover requirements that were accepted for the vehicle. ( Having ABS fitted, & working)
Hope this helps but still not too pleased at the response given.

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Posted 29 September 2009 - 15:14

Also I will check my unit ABS AM to see what make is fitted, my car was built in August 2008 (engine July) from all the stamps etc. Wonder if they have gone back to Bosch.


Some interesting stuff here, even about Bosch:-

Audi ABS pump & ECU modulator/module

FYI mine's a part No. 1K0 614 117 AJ, looking pretty much like this:-

http://www.automotors.sk/detail/790008

Seems to be reasonably accessible, although the 'electrics' side is toward the wheel arch so couldn't be removed in-situ without removing the whole unit.

Interesting item here re diagnosing various ABS faults:-

http://www.fordscorp...k/abssystem.htm

Edited by icarusi@hotmail, 29 September 2009 - 16:15.


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Posted 29 September 2009 - 19:15

I currently have this fault.....car is a Petrol Vrs and is 3 years 8 months old (24k miles).

Skoda have offered to pay 60% - though I'm not particularly happy given that the garage I have taken it to have just got 100% of the cost paid on 2 VW cars of similar cars. I know some Seat owners are getting the full 100% paid as well. It's a known fault!!

Given I've had a Superb, Fabia and Octavia as 3 of my last cars, I not masively impressed and when the car is sold on Friday, I won't be buying a another Skoda anytime soon. Shame really as I fancied a Yeti :)

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Posted 29 September 2009 - 21:49

Does anyone know if there is an ongoing problem or if cars manufactured from a certain date are likely to be trouble free?

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 08:04

I must say that Octavias seem to suffer with some expensive faults. There is a guy in my village who has a blue '07 vRS. I hadn't seen it for a couple of weeks so when I saw him yesterday I asked if he'd sold it. He told me know, but its been at the dealer having a new aircon compressor fitted and the gearbox rebuilt. The car has less than 24k on it, so he's not a happy chap.
Re these ABS units I reckon if mine failed I would try small claims court action, arguing that under SOGA it should last a 'reasonable' length of time. I think 5 years would be appropriate for a major safety related component. Remember 'warranty' is in addition to statutory rights - your rights don't end when warranty expires.
There was a case highlighted by Consumers' Association where a small metal pin broke in the gearbox of a four year old Honda Civic. The owner successfully argued that the failure was premature and the court decided that Honda should replace the gearbox FOC.

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 08:23

retail on these units were £1068 plus vat, i work for tps we do all four vag brands and the amount of pumps i've ordered for customers is huge, to be honest it was more vw than any other model, vag have reduced the retail on the units to £665 so they have tried to take the sting out of it a bit i suppose

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 08:48

Is it just the mk 2 octavia vrs that has this fault or is the mk 1 octavia vrs fitted with the same pump?

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 14:03

it must be slightly different we only ever do mk5 golfs 2004 onwards and the likes of the vw touran again 2004 onwards, never done one for the mk1 octy in the two years i've been here

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 18:25

Skoda ESP systems are changing, the Yeti is obviously the first to be fitted with the new system and has the option of the 'off-road' mode ESP.

The following link gives a brief insight to the planned changes; note in CZ so need something like Google translate.


Konec vypínatelného ESP ve vozech Škoda se blíží, Yeti je první vlaštovkou | AUTO.CZ

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 21:31

Hi Guys.

Mine has failed aswell last week, 56 plate Vrs Tdi 35k miles. Thankfully Mine is covered by extended warranty so not costing me anything. Might extend the warranty further!

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 08:54

Mine is going in tomorrow for a diagnosis, but I suspect its another ABS unit failure.

The dealer wasn't too impressed when I said that I'd heard it was a common thing....... Reply: We've done a few, but it not common !

Wait and see what tomorrow brings, if it is an ABS unit, hope my Tesco warranty covers it.

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 10:51

Hi Guys,

Im just waiting for mine to go as well,found out from VDCS its a part no; 1KO 907 379 AC MK60,will this one go the same way?(probably more expencive 'cos its a MK60!!!!).

Car is a VRs TDI coming upto 40,000 miles,did first 20k in 9 months!!!!! and touch wood its ok.



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Posted 16 October 2009 - 22:50

Same fault here ABS/ESP I payed for this as an extra on my 06 octavia. Just been told by Skoda that they will pay 50% which is better than nowt now the only problem is that my garage tells me that there are no pumps in the UK and that they will have to back order them and god knows when it will come in. GREAT

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 10:12

Are these easy to programme if you get a new one? I have VDCS already.


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Posted 24 October 2009 - 16:42

Ours has just gone too. Its a 56 plate with 24,000 miles on the clock. The climate control failed earlier this year and took two attempts to fix. Its is still just under warranty but it does make you wonder. I've had 2 Felicias and a Fun before the Octy and I am now wondering whether its a good idea to stay with Skoda. It came from Murray Skoda in Newton Abbot.

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 14:03

Mine jsut failed over the weekend, only 2 days after i got it serviced. What a balls.

Just saw this on the Honest John Website. I'm in Ireland so my Warranty ran out if April this year.

Car review: Skoda Octavia II (2004 - )

Updated 21-9-2009: ESP warning light can indicate Fault Code "Boost Pressure Sensor G201". This is embedded inside Teves Mk 60 ABS systems and requires replacement of ABS control unit/pump. Seems to be age-related, occurring mainly in 3 - 5 year old cars. Does not necessarily lead to an MoT failure. If car has been VAG maintained, VAG will meet 100% of replacement cost. If not VAG will still help towards £1,500 cost of replacement.

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 17:31

And in this weeks Telegraph:

Seat ABS braking concern - Telegraph

and

Other Germany makes:

BMW braking alarm - Telegraph

VAG need to really say if goes going to be free or 50% or 75% and stick to it, a clear policy like Apple have with some of there computers - G5 iMac they replace all logic board once free when they went.

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 19:53

As I've posted before, remember that your warranty is IN ADDITION to your rights under the Sale of Goods Act. The SOGA requires that products be fit for purpose and 'durable'. How long something lasts is for a Small Claims Court to decide - but I would contend that a SCC would take the view that a major (non servicable) safety-related component on a car should last five years. I know that if/when my ABS unit fails I will send a :Letter Before Action, and then if no response, a SCC summons.
Consumers are too docile when it comes to issues like these.
Interesting there was a case featured in Which? a while back in which a small cotter pin (part of the clutch release mechanism) failed in a Honda Civic leaving the owner with a potentially large repair bill. The car was well out of the three year warranty, but the consumer successfully got Honda to foot the bill via a SCC action.

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 20:01

As I've posted before, remember that your warranty is IN ADDITION to your rights under the Sale of Goods Act. The SOGA requires that products be fit for purpose and 'durable'. How long something lasts is for a Small Claims Court to decide - but I would contend that a SCC would take the view that a major (non servicable) safety-related component on a car should last five years. I know that if/when my ABS unit fails I will send a :Letter Before Action, and then if no response, a SCC summons.
Consumers are too docile when it comes to issues like these.
Interesting there was a case featured in Which? a while back in which a small cotter pin (part of the clutch release mechanism) failed in a Honda Civic leaving the owner with a potentially large repair bill. The car was well out of the three year warranty, but the consumer successfully got Honda to foot the bill via a SCC action.


Am I right in thinking with a car you have sue the dealer that sold you the car, and even though it's not there fault, if you win they get the money back? Has any one done this yet eg Small Claims Court route? Would VAG say it's a feature like the radio or parking sensors and the car is drive able without it?

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 20:57

Am I right in thinking with a car you have sue the dealer that sold you the car, and even though it's not there fault, if you win they get the money back? Has any one done this yet eg Small Claims Court route? Would VAG say it's a feature like the radio or parking sensors and the car is drive able without it?

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Yes, that's correct.

If the ABS is not functioning then there are all sorts of implications. In theory your insurance cover may not be valid for example - nor would the car pass an MoT. ABS has been a mandatory fitment in the EU for several years, so I don't think Skoda could claim it was an feature like a radio or parking sensor. The ABS/ESP is a central part of the car's dynamic safety package, so the failure of this system is a very major concern. It is very disappointing that VAG are not treating this situation with the gravity that it deserves.

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Posted 25 October 2009 - 21:05

I think in 2 years I will taking a extended warranty! Please tell me that come 2008 they fitted really good ABS units and this is just teething issues with 06/06 cars....

James.