When were 2.0 tdi oil pump problems fixed?

[Guest BigJase88]

all dealerships of all car makes are conning liers...

had a problem with my Focus ST!

i researched the problem on a forum... very common fault with the oil filter diaphram..

told FORD, they said they had never heard of it before

So they did what they had to do etc. and voila the problem i described was found, the dealer then told me again that they had never seen this before

Yeah right!!

TBH i think VAG quality is a complete myth! i have a Volkswagen Lupo and its had every common fault going!

[ChrisAnkole]

As I have stated elsewhere - I have just had oil pump failure - and the engine is now being replaced - afetr 56,000 miles. I am wondering how best to tackle the issue - as clearly the dealer is just repairing it and then saying - take it up with Skoda. Anyone got any experiences or ideas on how to deal. Do I have any rights at all? Car is 5 years old.... but really, do not expect a n engine re-build at that age. Can I show if the dealer was lax in their oil changes (sludge issues)? I guess probably not...... but would love to know.

Cheers

It's looking pretty obvious that VAG were aware early on that they had c o c k e d up the oil pump drive on the 2.0 PDs and made a conscious decision not to fit them to the high profit transverse models such as the Golf/Octavia. Audi would be covered by dealer support in line with a premium product (as long as you had paid for it twice over in servicing) and Skoda customers with the Mk I Superb could just take a running jump - as we have seen.

It's very unlikely that this problem would be carried over to the CR engines - even VAG would find it hard to do that - although I believe the CR engines have their own can of worms in terms of HP fuel pump destruction and dubious piezo injectors.

In the literature supplied with my car, it states that your Skoda dealer is there to supply you with any information you may require relating to the running of your car. Why don't you ask them which are the dud 2.0 PD engines - by engine number?

Best of luck.

rotodiesel.

[Robbo Cop]

Just a little note...

I spoke to a lad at Enterprise Car rental and he said the Insignia was trouble (DMF failures) Their BMW's also gave trouble (Electrics). Mondeo, Focus etc were great. For my money a Mondeo TDCI, Accord iDTEC or Mazda 6 Diesel (2.2 not the 2.0) would be where my money goes..

Cheers,

Rob

[Cown]

You forgot the D4D 2.2 Toyota Diesel. They are very reliable and if something happens, Toyota will actually help you...

[Robbo Cop]

Dead right Cown, how could I forget Toyota..! We actually have a Corolla ourselves as a second car and it's one of the best cars I've ever had. Our's is a 1.4 petrol and brilliant. The D4D is even better..

Cheers,

Rob

[oh_superb]

All this talk of how reliable these Mondeo TDCi and Toyota D4D COMMON RAIL diesels has made me cringe.

They are not reliable at all. The TDCi has a multitude of major problems, spanning from stretched timing chains jumping cam sprockets, to throwing connecting rods, stuck open Delphi injectors, blown turbos, stuck open EGR valves, you name it, they have it. Oh, forgot the connecting rods that have a habit of breaking (up to 2005 MY). September 2005 in fact - I know cos I fixed the design.

Then we have the Toyota. A friend of mine has an Avensis, a very fast 180 PS diesel, economical and quick one would think. But averaging 32-38 mpg it isn't exactly economical, EGR valve got jammed up, a bit better now after a clean. And Toyota Diesels (modern ones) are renowned for injection pump failures.

The rest of the car may be well put together but make no mistake - modern diesels are very complex and expensive to fix when they go over 5 years old and 100k miles. You are basically better off getting a 1.9 or 2.5 tdi from the VAG group, and given proper attention they will last a long long time. The 2.0 tdi was just an example of a major mistake - when fitted to the Superb, combine the lack of engine reliability and DPF (diesel particulate filter) problems plus expensive Cerium fluid top up, and you have one painful experience, that you will struggle to shift on, as it's now quite widely known that they are not that good at all.

[Robbo Cop]

Oh (Dear) Superb,

Interesting that you state "They are not reliable at all". Seems strange that Toyota always score in the top five of every reliability study since the dawn of time..! Also since the new model Mondeo was launched (2007), it has proved to be a very reliable car. On balance, when you look at the considerable list of VAG ****-up's, and their unwillingness to to be any way helpful, you're theory doesn't hold much water in my book.

Apologies for making you cringe though...!

Cheers,

Rob

[Cown]

I'm with Robbo on this one.

[Supurbia]

Let me help you with this one

Cars

Insignia dmf?

I don't know of any manual car that doesn't have dmf problems

Toyota

Prime candidate for my name change to Avensisbia, but I have seen premature turbo fail on them so I'm going petrol on this one

Mondeo

Nice car but Roto says the Fi system is no good, but still a candidate imo

Passat

I've made this mistake, the B6 2.0 PD wormed it's way in on the back of the excellent Superb, build quality is terrible and I have siren turbo syndrome and will be shifting it on before it gets any worse

Now lets look at the dealers

VW - Not good when it's their turn to pay

VX - Pretty good in the past for me

Ford - No experience tbh, but I expect it to be similar to VX

Toyota - Again no experience in the fix it division, although I believe it will be a good experience and when looking prior to getting the B6, everyone in the dealer was helpful and nothing seemed too much trouble from sales,servicing and parts, and the elitist manner wasn't present.

The way I see it is only buy a Diesel if you really need one, you should never consider a 2.0 VW one unless it's a CR, if you want a Superb make sure it's a 1.9

[skodanut]

I'm thinking that us drivers are taken in by the acclaimed fuel ecconomy of diesels and the high torque figues some engines produce, yet dont take into account the expense and problems with the combustion side of things like disel particulate filters and the expense in replacing them in relatively short mileages. I personally think that the technology isnt quite there yet and reliability is another issue concerning these systems. I know common rail engines are supposed to be smoother, but what with the cost of diesel now compared to unleaded petrol, i am seriously thinking of going back to petrol engine derived cars and give them a try out after a 10year break !!

Ok some might argue they prefer diesel and some prefer petrol, but having read threads on the superb forum some diesel owners are certainly experiencing problems, especially diesel models.

As for you supurbia like me having had bad experiences with VW and you mention problems with your passat, then id go back and try vauxhall again...they are the dealer i will be dealing with when my wife's motability car has to be returned. Skoda wont be getting anymore business from me again.

[samson1]

I'm thinking that us drivers are taken in by the acclaimed fuel ecconomy of diesels and the high torque figues some engines produce, yet dont take into account the expense and problems with the combustion side of things like disel particulate filters and the expense in replacing them in relatively short mileages. I personally think that the technology isnt quite there yet and reliability is another issue concerning these systems. I know common rail engines are supposed to be smoother, but what with the cost of diesel now compared to unleaded petrol, i am seriously thinking of going back to petrol engine derived cars and give them a try out after a 10year break !!

Ok some might argue they prefer diesel and some prefer petrol, but having read threads on the superb forum some diesel owners are certainly experiencing problems, especially diesel models.

As for you supurbia like me having had bad experiences with VW and you mention problems with your passat, then id go back and try vauxhall again...they are the dealer i will be dealing with when my wife's motability car has to be returned. Skoda wont be getting anymore business from me again.

[samson1]

i need my next new car to tow 1100 kg of caravan i hope to change 2012 hoping my bss 22000 mile engine does not fail till then .i too are considering petrol such as 1.8 toyota valvematic no cambelt to change . no dpf worries. no dual massflywheel ibelieve .and no turbo. these are running costs idid not consider when i purchase new my car from the happy driver manufacturer plus atoyota 5year warr any comments?

[oh_superb]

Oh (Dear) Superb,

Interesting that you state "They are not reliable at all". Seems strange that Toyota always score in the top five of every reliability study since the dawn of time..! Also since the new model Mondeo was launched (2007), it has proved to be a very reliable car. On balance, when you look at the considerable list of VAG ****-up's, and their unwillingness to to be any way helpful, you're theory doesn't hold much water in my book.

Apologies for making you cringe though...!

Cheers,

Rob

The vast majority of toyotas are petrol, and yes they are reliable, and yes they pull the reliability ratings high up, and do not forget that the reliability studies cover 36 months in service most of the time, once outside the warranty nobody gives a monkey any more - and that's where poor Joes buying secondhand diesel 60k mile diesel will start paying over the odds for fixes - whether it is a Toyota or VW, the injections systems are made by just 3 companies - Denso, Bosch and Delphi. And you could argue which one is better. I know which one is the best, but I will leave it up to you to find out.

[cbbella]

What happened after the 57 plates? The one I am looking at is an 08 plate.

 

 

Modded pump, you can actually get 07's that are ok, it's all down to chassis number's, but VAG aren't forthcomming about releasing the data, if it's a B6 Passat, avoid any chassis number below 60000 iirc, these are the likely to die BKP and BMR engines.

 

 

hi, i was looking to buy a skoda but 5 days ago i ended up buying a 2009 Passat 2.0tdi estate bluemotion2 with the TDI M5F (81kw/110hp) engine, 120.000miles.  i was wondering can anyone tell me if i should have anything to worry about with this engine.

 

regards, cbbella

[cbbella]

hi, i was looking to buy a skoda but 5 days ago i ended up buying a 2009 Passat 2.0tdi estate bluemotion2 with the TDI M5F (81kw/110hp) engine, 120.000miles.  i was wondering can anyone tell me if i should have anything to worry about with this engine.

 

regards, cbbella

my engine code is CBDC and not M5F.  i think that is the gearbox code.

[Blanes]

"You can't beat Japanese cars for reliability" that's what mechanics have said for the last 40 yrs. They also generally fit chains to their diesels unlike the stupid vw cam belts... Ridiculous. Screw what others think of me, it will be Japanese all the way next time, VW are just greedy and overpriced and always a worry some warning light will appear, makes me very anxious!

[Navman87]

Ive got an octavia vrs tdi cr 170... 2011 model

115000 miles.. On as a taxi... Car was driving normal an all of a sudden it lost power and made a whoosh type of sound and conked out!! Had it with vag specialist for two days... I got the feeling it was the old oil pump issue.. No warning lights on what so ever.. Mechanic now saying ots to do with high pressure fuel pump.. Some regulator not opening or something... Is this common ?? Also do i need to be worries about oil pump.. As its a taxi it gets 1000 miles a week.. Wish i stuck to the

Avensis with a 5 year warranty!!!!

[jimbof]

I would have thought that by 2011 they should have got their head round this oil pump issue.  You're asking in the wrong forum I think about your fuel pump issue.

[mannyo]

The TDI engine used in the Octavia shares nothing at all with the TDi engine used in the MK1 Superb, it will not be the oil pump problem that the MK1 Superb has with its 2.0 TDi engine. None of the 2.0 diesel engines fitted to the MK2 Octavia going back to 2004 when it was released will have the problem.

[milspectees]

Don't mix up the two engines - PD engines don't have a high pressure pump as a separate item.

The early PD engines were fitted with solenoid controlled injectors which were reliable. In order to improve emissions performance, they were changed to piezo controlled injectors, I think around '05. 2.0 PD engines are likely to have piezo controlled injectors as an addition to their other desirable features. I have only ever seen Bosch injectors of either type fitted to PD engines.

CR engines have a separate engine driven high pressure pump. All injectors in these engines are piezo controlled. There is gathering evidence that the pumps are less reliable than the unit injector system fitted to the PDs and that the piezo injectors are also failure prone. Not a good combination if you are running one out of warranty. My experience also indicates that the Siemens electronics are also rather more failure prone than the earlier Bosch units.

Probably the VAG bean counter department in operation again - remember the LuK tandem pumps?

rotodiesel.

 

If PD engines don't have high pressure fuel pumps, then what exactly would you call a tandem pump?

[nick74]

I've always thought of the tandem pump as more of a lift pump. The pressure that tandem pumps work at is a tiny fraction of those found in high pressure pumps on CR systems, eg from memory a tandem pump is about 50-150 psi, whereas common rail HP pumps put out anywhere between 15000 - 40000 psi!

The high pressures in PD systems are generated within the injectors themselves rather than the pump.

[rotodiesel]

Correct. The reason it's called a tandem pump is that it also incorporates the vacuum pump for the brake servo and various pneumatic actuators. Two pumps driven by a common shaft.

 

rotodiesel.

[milspectees]

I've always thought of the tandem pump as more of a lift pump. The pressure that tandem pumps work at is a tiny fraction of those found in high pressure pumps on CR systems, eg from memory a tandem pump is about 50-150 psi, whereas common rail HP pumps put out anywhere between 15000 - 40000 psi!

The high pressures in PD systems are generated within the injectors themselves rather than the pump.

If your tandem pump is running at 50-150 psi it's busted the serviceable minimum pressure is 10.5 bar (152.28962490735 psi). Although not as high as a CR it isn't low. The low pressure pump on a PD is in the tank.

[nick74]

If your tandem pump is running at 50-150 psi it's busted the serviceable minimum pressure is 10.5 bar (152.28962490735 psi). Although not as high as a CR it isn't low. The low pressure pump on a PD is in the tank.

Surely 10.5 bar is at 4000 rpm? Don't they run at much lower pressures during normal driving?

[milspectees]

Yes @ 4000rpm, a much more efficient system than CR that would have continued if not for the stupid EuroV BS

Edited 27 December, 2014 by milspectees