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[Kenny130pd]

Hi all.

I used to run a DTUK tuning box in my Fabia VRS, recently I had a Shark remap so I put the tuning box in the for sale section. I had some interest in it from members and a guy called Nick Wilson (wilko89) paid for the box using paypal, I posted it on the 9th May and it arrived and was signed for by wilko on the 10th May. 5 weeks later paypal e-mailed me to say that wilko had bought the tuning box using a credit card through paypal and had informed his credit card company he hadn't received his goods and they had carried out a charge back which means they had taken back what he'd paid plus their admin fee which was £124 in total. I got straight back in touch with paypal and royal mail, and using the tracking number to show it had been signed for by wilko disputed the case with his credit card company unsuccessfully as they closed the case without giving me a refund, Wilko now has a free tuning box and I'm £124 out of pocket, needless to say wilko has not been on Briskoda since May and the hotmail address on his paypal transaction with me can't be contacted.
I was under the impression that paypal was a safe, secure way of paying and receiving payment but people like wilko know how to screw people over so I encourage members to use caution when buying and selling.

Regards

Kenny130pd

[Llanigraham]

If you posted it to him, you have his address, so take Court action to recover the debt!

[V6TDI]

Llanigraham, on 05 August 2012 - 14:05, said:

If you posted it to him, you have his address, so take Court action to recover the debt!

+1

I wouldn't let anyone get away with this if it were me and I'd possibly also be discussing it with the Police as this looks like theft to me.

Gaz

[devonutopia]

From past posts he seems to have bought a leather fabia interior from a chap in Leeds - "Tonyskodaland" - not sure if more contact details can be had through his ebay ID?

[pete8tch]

This is actually a bit worrying, If you have proof of it being delivered how can it be disputed? , the only thing any of us on here would expect , would be that was a safe situation, The fact that it isn't, is leaving the whole system open to abuse.

What has his credit card co actually said , when they were told it had been signed for ?.

[gadgetman]

Another vote for court &  police action. If its on his car he'd be really screwed.

[Brimma]

gadgetman, on 05 August 2012 - 15:11, said:

Another vote for court &  police action. If its on his car he'd be really screwed.

He posted on here that he had a Fabia vRS for sale, with such an item fitted (look on his previous posts record on his profile)

[Hannibal]

Thieving Scroat.  This is fraud and one for police to deal with.

[Kenny130pd]

If he had used his current account to pay through paypal then left it a few weeks then had tried this paypal would have ruled in my favour as I have proof of it being delivered to his address and him signing for it. I don't know if the fact he lives in Northern Ireland and using a credit card changes matters, I will be going to citizens advice tomorrow. Paypal reckon because his credit card company closed this case I have no chance of claiming back the money I've lost.

[devonutopia]

Find the nearest members to his address and send around some heavies armed with baseball bats.

[grr666]

They guy sounds a complete douche.
I'm sure he contacted me at some point asking about something or other?
What email addy did he join brisky with? Can he be reached via that?
Worries me when I hear things like this. I have about 40 different items
coming up soon on here for sale. I may only sell to Freedom members
or folk that I've met personally or are in my friends list.
Bad show wilko89! You should be ashamed of yourself.

[Moist Von Lipwig]

Just because Paypal won't go after it anymore doesn't mean you can't.  I'd get the credit card company details and start writing them letters setting out the case and the fact this guy appears to have pulled off credit card fraud and that you will be forced into legal action unless they respond within a period of say 2-3 weeks.  Then if nothing heard issue a smalls claims court thingy against them.

I am sure they will be interested to see that he accepted delivery of the item yet claims not to have it and has made mugs of them as well.

[gadgetman]

Brimma, on 05 August 2012 - 15:19, said:

He posted on here that he had a Fabia vRS for sale, with such an item fitted (look on his previous posts record on his profile)

Perfect for the op then to get their money back and this guy in trouble.

[taff170]

devonutopia, on 05 August 2012 - 16:33, said:

Find the nearest members to his address and send around some heavies armed with baseball bats.

Judging the general keyboard warriors on here I don't think they'd be interested in real life confrontation somehow!

They could send him a nasty email though!!

[Hannibal]

Moist Von Lipwig, on 05 August 2012 - 16:47, said:

Just because Paypal won't go after it anymore doesn't mean you can't.  I'd get the credit card company details and start writing them letters setting out the case and the fact this guy appears to have pulled off credit card fraud and that you will be forced into legal action unless they respond within a period of say 2-3 weeks.  Then if nothing heard issue a smalls claims court thingy against them.

I am sure they will be interested to see that he accepted delivery of the item yet claims not to have it and has made mugs of them as well.

Yes, in hindsight going to the CC company to prove your case may get your cash quicker and will leave them the issue of dealing with the law..

[Moist Von Lipwig]

Rather than the keyboard bound heavies, how about sending his details to these guys!

http://www.watchtower.org/

They will love popping round to see him.

[Kenny130pd]

Paypal have told me that because the credit card company have now closed the case I would be wasting my time contacting them, I went to my local police tonight and they've told me to speak to citizens advice and if it can be seen as a criminal act the police would get involved. As far as solicitors are involved the charge £500 before they do anything! Nick Wilson (wilko89) e-mail is bigboywilko@hotmail.co.uk but I can't send messages to it.

[Octygone]

Might be worth finding out from hotmail why the e-mail address has been cancelled....the same name comes up on a couple of forums as well

[Kenny130pd]

He's been a member on here since 4th Feb 2012 and last active on 14th May 2012

[vRS19TD]

Octygone, on 05 August 2012 - 17:54, said:

Might be worth finding out from hotmail why the e-mail address has been cancelled....the same name comes up on a couple of forums as well

I've found the same name on a few forums but one in particular lives in Teeside, drives a silver R32 and used to own an Audi A3 and is called Darren. The guy on here signed one message off as Nicky. Was hoping Google would throw something up for you but unfortunately not.

[vRS19TD]

This was the leathers thread, so might be worth asking the seller if they had any troubles and was the address in N.Ireland.

http://www.briskoda....__fromsearch__1

[RainbowFire]

Kenny130pd, on 05 August 2012 - 17:42, said:

I went to my local police tonight and they've told me to speak to citizens advice and if it can be seen as a criminal act the police would get involved.

Another example of our mighty police force in action. If I recall correctly: Fraud (obtaining goods by deception, or just plain theft (obtaining goods with no intent to pay)) is a crime in this country. The police are supposed to deal with crime. Not sure what their problem is here?

[vRS19TD]

Just to add to my post above about the R32, in the thread where wilko89 offered his Fabia vRS to someone, he actually states he is looking to upgrade to an R32, so what are the chances of 2 people both being called wilko89 and owning R32's!! Maybe Nicky was a name just for this forum.

[Kenny130pd]

vRS19TD, on 05 August 2012 - 18:14, said:

This was the leathers thread, so might be worth asking the seller if they had any troubles and was the address in N.Ireland.

http://www.briskoda....__fromsearch__1

That's the same guy, he could still be on here under another name having a good laugh about this.

[jrw]

Kenny130pd, on 05 August 2012 - 17:42, said:

Paypal have told me that because the credit card company have now closed the case I would be wasting my time contacting them, I went to my local police tonight and they've told me to speak to citizens advice and if it can be seen as a criminal act the police would get involved. As far as solicitors are involved the charge £500 before they do anything! Nick Wilson (wilko89) e-mail is bigboywilko@hotmail.co.uk but I can't send messages to it.

You don't need a solicitors.  Just file a small claim against him (if going to CA doesn't prove fruitful and the police cant be arsed) online which costs around £45.  You have nothing to prove, so don't need a solicitor.  You have a signed for proof of delivery and posts on here of him selling a car with said tuning box.

You could try contacting his credit card company, but would you know what company it is?  They wouldn't discuss a customer with you anyway and they really aren't going to be bothered over £124 anyway as in their eyes it isn't really fraud, especially on the level they deal with (swmbo is a fraud manager for a bank!).  I will however ask her if there is anything that can be done prior to filing a small claim for you.

[wilsy7]

I'm I'm northern Ireland, what's the address? Lol

[fordfan]

Kenny130pd, on 05 August 2012 - 22:10, said:

That's the same guy, he could still be on here under another name having a good laugh about this.

Unlikely, as we have the ability to see who's posting from a particular IP address, if two members are posting from the same IP address, it's easy for us to see that.

I hear that they have some pretty good detectives on Pistonheads and car forum members the world over hate con artists.

[Kenny130pd]

Been to Citizens Advice today and they told me to give paypal a ring and be a bit more forceful, they wouldn't tell me wiko's credit card company but after asking to speak to a manager they started back pedaling and told me they'll be back in touch by the end of the week.

[gadgetman]

Kenny130pd, on 06 August 2012 - 18:39, said:

Been to Citizens Advice today and they told me to give paypal a ring and be a bit more forceful, they wouldn't tell me wiko's credit card company but after asking to speak to a manager they started back pedaling and told me they'll be back in touch by the end of the week.

That's encouraging. Push for the cc co and the case reference. They can reverse a reversal.

[silver1011]

Grrr, makes my blood boil, this doofus needs his knackers chopping off with a rusty spoon.