DSG problem on Octavia II

[Tilt]

I drive a 1.9 105 estate with a dsg box, 55 plate & 120k miles & it drives & changes gear as you would expect it to. ie properly & pretty smoothly. It did require a new dmf fitting (recognised by rattle on idle, heard behind nsf wheel) when i bought it, but two years later on & no problems have arisen. Mainly wanted to say mine does remain "in gear" even with foot on brake & the manual recommends selecting neutral when at lights etc to save the clutch from overheating. Makes sense, other dsg's may? differ though. I can only comment on mine.

There's a lot of speed bumps around here so to stop it changing gear when I don't want it to, I just push it into manual select. Simples.

Thoroughly recommend dsg, especially for diesels & their need to change from 1st to 2nd at about 2mph, ha ha.

I had a 120bhp saab 9-3 manual & it is much easier pulling off, & at islands, with the dsg in the skoda.

[reverse]

I must say - reading comments here about "DSG doesn't move away smoothly" etc - I must be very lucky to have an "odd" version then. Mine is super smooth. And as mentioned above also - only way to see that gears have changed is to look at Maxidot or rev counter. When it comes to putting it to neutral at traffic lights - my cars user manual tells me not to do that, as it is not needed at all. Weird then, how even manuals can differ

- driving a 2012 DSG CR vRS

[Herschel]

Mine also seems to remain in gear when stopped with foot on brake - if I lift slightly, the car creeps forward until I use the brake again.

Pulls away smoothly every time.

I also get very very minimal rollback, even on steep inclines - so it must disengage and re-engage the clutch, but it must do so quicker than you can tell in the car; at least for me anyway..........

Edited 11 October, 2012 by Herschel

[iscacamper]

Yes, it does remain in gear with the footbrake applied, but it disengages the clutch, so it is effectively in neutral when stopped. When you release the brake, the clutch quickly engages (or it should!), allowing the car to 'creep'. That's my understanding at least. The manual for my car says you don't need to put it in Neutral at traffic lights, as the drive is disengaged by the clutch when the footbrake is applied. Stopping in gear with the handbrake on, though, is a no-no as it will slip the clutch in an effort to pull forward unless you put the gear selector in Neutral.

[iscacamper]

I should add that the comparison car I drove when I took my car into the dealers was super-smooth, with no jerking at all on take-off, seamless downshifts when braking (unlike my car), and of course no lurching on creep. It was a 58-reg 1.9TDI Octy 6-speed DSG, so there are definitely some good'uns out there.

[Its me]

As others have reported mine too is working superbly. Everyone, even the ladies, who travel in the car comments on how smooth the gear changes are and how nippy the car is.

I've only had the car about 6 weeks and covered about 3000 miles, after BMW, Volvo, Honda and Saab automatics the DSG box is a revelation.

Whatever car I have I allways join the relevant forum for tips and advice.....although sometimes I wonder why, they are enough to frighten any prospective owner from ever buying a car and make those owning the model worry about " common faults", none of which I have ever experienced.

DSG, damn spectacular gearbox

Regards all

Juan

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[Herschel]

I always put the car in neutral and put the handbrake on when I stop for longer that just a few seconds (or expect to).

Force of habit from driving a CVT boxed BMW last!

[iscacamper]

Result! The dealership have found a fault with the mechatronics and want to replace it. Now awaiting authorisation from the company that provides the Skoda Used Warranty...

[Its me]

That's good news, lets hope you get it authorised and repaired quickly

Regards all

Juan

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[Auric Goldfinger]

Result! The dealership have found a fault with the mechatronics and want to replace it. Now awaiting authorisation from the company that provides the Skoda Used Warranty...

Thought Skoda Used Warranty was Skoda

[iscacamper]

Thought Skoda Used Warranty was Skoda

Nope, it's administered on behalf of Skoda by an insurance company, just like many other used car warranties. My warranty pack (which was Skoda branded) was posted from a company called "Car Care Plan Ltd".

(post edited with correct name of company)

Edited 11 October, 2012 by iscacamper

[iscacamper]

Not good news so far...

The dealership still have the car after 2.5 weeks. A new mechatronics unit was fitted, and the car then complained of a faulty ABS unit. The original mechatronic was re-fitted, and the ABS fault went away. Now the dealers want to try to find another replacement mechatronic unit. They refuse to replace the ABS unit until there is a confirmed fault with it. So I estimate I now have at least another week to wait.

Thinking about getting my money back now as this is starting to sound like a can of worms...

[dunc69]

Not good news so far...

The dealership still have the car after 2.5 weeks. A new mechatronics unit was fitted, and the car then complained of a faulty ABS unit. The original mechatronic was re-fitted, and the ABS fault went away. Now the dealers want to try to find another replacement mechatronic unit. They refuse to replace the ABS unit until there is a confirmed fault with it. So I estimate I now have at least another week to wait.

Thinking about getting my money back now as this is starting to sound like a can of worms...

What a pain! Have they put you in a courtesy car in the meantime?

[iscacamper]

Yes, they gave me a Roomster 1.2TDI Greenline (which feels a bit like driving a lawnmower!). It does the job, but I'm not enjoying it! To say I'm not impressed with Skoda service is an understatement.

[iscacamper]

Finally got my car back today.

New mechatronics unit fitted. Gearchanges are noticeably smoother, and moving off is less jerky.

Low-speed manoeuvering ('creep') still feels a little 'indicisive' with no pedal input, but the violent surging I experienced before appears to have gone. The chap said that the tech from Skoda advised gentle accelerator pressure when manoeuvering, so I'll try this technique and see how it goes.

[countryboy]

That is a good result, did they explain what they thought was happening with the ABS unit?

Ian

Edited 7 November, 2012 by countryboy

[flinflon]

fyi http://www.carnewschina.com/2012/05/31/chinese-car-buyers-complain-about-dsg-volkswagen-extends-warranty/

[iscacamper]

That is a good result, did they explain what they thought was happening with the ABS unit?

Ian

Not really - they implied the first mech unit they tried might have been faulty, but didn't really give a full explanation. Fitting a different unit solved the ABS problem.

[iscacamper]

Ok, now I've driven the car for a while with the new mech unit it's apparent the original problem is still there to some degree. Basically, when creeping forwards or backwards up a slight slope, the creep 'pulsates' slowly (every couple of seconds) as if the DSG is feathering the clutch in and out to regulate the speed, rather than maintaining a constant creep speed. It's not as severe as before, but still irritating.

Don't know what to do now. The mechatronic unit has supposedly been replaced... Am I supposed to live with this behaviour?

[marcusthehat]

Sounds a bit like the way our DSG behaves, cept ours "drops out" of drive completely, despite increasing throttle depression.

To the point where halting the car on the handbrake (after runback) while keeping the throttle foot stationary, then slipping from drive into neutral = jump to 2250 or 2500 revs from an artifically DSG held tickover.

Quite disconcerting.

BUT, I will probably buy another DSG.

[silver1011]

Ok, now I've driven the car for a while with the new mech unit it's apparent the original problem is still there to some degree. Basically, when creeping forwards or backwards up a slight slope, the creep 'pulsates' slowly (every couple of seconds) as if the DSG is feathering the clutch in and out to regulate the speed, rather than maintaining a constant creep speed. It's not as severe as before, but still irritating.

Don't know what to do now. The mechatronic unit has supposedly been replaced... Am I supposed to live with this behaviour?

Ask to drive another DSG equipped Octavia and try it under the same conditions that your are experiencing concerns with your car.

If they both do it you can likely put it down to a characteristic of DSG.

If not then the problem remains unfixed.

[Labtech]

I rejected a used Octavia 2.0TDI DSG that behaved oddly, clunked up and down the box, smell of burning clutch when it happened. At first the dealer told me it needed a new flywheel, then it was going to replace the gearbox. As I'd bought it under their used car scheme I asked them to supply another car but not from the same source - the first owner was Enterprise Rent A Car and if I'd known that I wouldn't have bought it. They weren't able to get another car so I told them I wanted my old car and the difference I paid back. They then told me they had sold my old car so i got all the money refunded to me. Funny thing is, I drove past the dealer about a week later and my old car was on the forecourt......

[kenbo]

I've just seen this thread. Virtually the same symptoms as my car since shortly after buying it in Mar 2009 with 90,000 miles. Once I'm on the move the car drives perfectly.

Unfortunately I bought through the trade so I had no warranty. The car is unsaleable unless I repair it so I'll just drive it as long as possible. It irritates me so much in traffic that I use my wife's car for town runs.

It's not showing any fault codes, I might have a go at removing the mechatronic unit if things get much worse, I read somewhere that there's a specialist who can repair them. Miles now at 115,000

[iscacamper]

Just a thought... Is it possible that the 'surging' problem isn't a DSG issue at all, but engine-related? Given the mechatronics have been replaced, it would seem to rule out the DGS as a cause.

The problem seems to be a repetitive surging when in gear at idle, under load (eg on a slope). Is there anything that might cause this? Timing, perhaps? The car drives perfectly under all other circumstances.

Any suggestions welcome!

[Its me]

Re above post, a good call

My last car was a Civic I-drive, dreadfull gearbox, I had a similar problem with low speed manoeuvring and blamed it on the gearbox.....got it into the dealers, I forget the exact details but it was something to do with the engine idle control valve (?) ......problem sorted

Regards all

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