1.8TSI and 2.0TSI engine failures

[Ultima]

If I'd known this I would have got a diesel even though I've done less than 7k miles in over 3 years. 

[CEPi]

Does anyone know what tensioner does the MKIII VRS have? Or the new Cupra 280ps?

[stever750]

Same as golf gti, R, S3 so presumably same as current tsi?

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[Old Blue]

Just been to local Skoda garage and asked about any problems with Octy engines!

 

They said they had not had any!!!! A few years ago they said they had a problem with 1.2 engines with the tensioner. Chain stretched!

 

They checked my car number and said no recalls for it. My engine date is 26-06-2012. I bought the car in Aug. 2012 so hopefully I'm Ok.

 

The only recall they have at present is the 7 speed DSG ( mines a 6 speed) which has a problem with swarf left in the box which messes up the box sensors and it goes pearshaped.

They drain the oil and air line out any more crap out and refill.

 

These types of truth/ scares have been happening to most other makes as well. I had a 53 plate Boxster  there were problems with the engine with those up to 2008.

The  auxillary drive shaft apparently was prone to going and taking the engine with it. Was 10k to replace it 5 years ago!!!

 

My local Skoda said that if you had your car is regulary serviced at Skoda you had "Brand loyalty" and they would look favourably on any engine type blow ups!

Believe that or not.

 

[stever750]

I've had same message when I mentioned slipping clutch. Since its on a pcp for another 18 months and I might want a seat off them next then I'm happy to pay a little more.

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[hmmmm]

My car was build on the 12th May 2010, so atleast it's not the original tensioner.

 

If a car is remapped and this happens will Skoda just blame the map and not contribute anything to the car even if it has a full Skoda service history?

[neil_f]

My car was build on the 12th May 2010, so atleast it's not the original tensioner.

If a car is remapped and this happens will Skoda just blame the map and not contribute anything to the car even if it has a full Skoda service history?

Good chance they will. Most dealers always use any modifications as a get out for saying no warranty. Only valid if they can prove that's what caused it....ie if your turbo failed on a mapped car then I wouldn't expect it under warranty. However a tensioner cannot be affected by any remap and is a known failure so I would fight them if they used that as a get out.

[stever750]

Thing is though that even a half awake lawyer would easily distinguish between the effects of a remap and a chain tensioner. In truth, you'd still be covered, but they will fight you harder. A remap has no effect on chain tensioner failure, any more than it causes braking problems. They will argue a remap is "faster", so wears the brakes out faster, but of course that the car is constrained by the speed limits anyway, so you could just as likely trash a std vrs as a remapped one if you were minded to do so.

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Edited 17 May, 2014 by stever750

[sm0303]

Just had the timing chain tensioner fail in my 2009 skoda octavia TSI 2.0 VRS turbo. I bought the car new from a dealer in Brisbane, Australia in August 2010. 3-year warranty is finished by about 9 months.

Audi / VW servicing in Newcastle say they have never seen this problem, but obviously it is a known fault, as we've done a fair bit of searching online.

Skoda have 'verbally' said they will pay to replace the entire engine ($12,000 AUD), but I have to pay labour for install of about $3,000!

Anyone in Australia have this happen and replaced? Pretty disappointing, as we love the Octavia and we haven't had it 4 years yet and it's only got 62,000km!

[JB-)]

Just had the timing chain tensioner fail in my 2009 skoda octavia TSI 2.0 VRS turbo. I bought the car new from a dealer in Brisbane, Australia in August 2010. 3-year warranty is finished by about 9 months.

Audi / VW servicing in Newcastle say they have never seen this problem, but obviously it is a known fault, as we've done a fair bit of searching online.

Skoda have 'verbally' said they will pay to replace the entire engine ($12,000 AUD), but I have to pay labour for install of about $3,000!

Anyone in Australia have this happen and replaced? Pretty disappointing, as we love the Octavia and we haven't had it 4 years yet and it's only got 62,000km!

 

Sorry to hear of yet another failure. Here in the UK you get 2 years warranty if you've contributed to the repair. If it's the same in Aus then that's one positive at least.

 

Is your car manual or DSG? Did it fail as you tried to start it?

[pmdc199]

Sucks doesn't it. Virtually same age and mileage as mine. I am waiting still after writing over a week ago to Skoda UK to see if I will get any money towards mine.

[stever750]

The real insult is the comment from the dealer, that they have never heard of it. Then again, most dealers tech staff wouldn't recognise a remapped car from standard either.

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[sm0303]

Considering I live in regional Australia (mind you it's the 7th largest city), I'm not surprised that they haven't heard of this failure and they are trying to get Skoda onside to fix it. The insult more was from the servicer (Audi) saying I was 'lucky' to get anything as they don't 'have to' provide a new engine as it's out of warranty. Surely a 4 year old car should not need a new engine and I could 'reasonably expect' to get MUCH longer out of it than this.

It's the 6 speed manual, petrol 2.0 VRS. Just wouldn't start. Left me stranded and had to get it towed. It had the emissions/engine light on in the dash for 8 days while I waited to get it booked in. I did go to the servicer the 2nd day after the light came on though and they told me there were quite a few errors and they needed it longer to look into it. Then I had to wait for an available spot to book it in to get looked at. Of course it failed midday the day prior to my scheduled booking!

So far only verbal agreement to the Audi service manager that skoda will cover the engine cost, not labour. He thinks I get a 2-year warranty on the new engine.

I've contacted Skoda Australia through Facebook, waiting on a call back.

Do you know if this 'new engine' is a reconditioned one? Or brand new? The current ones they're manufacturing don't fit in the 09 model ...

I'm also out of pocket rental car costs ... :(

[briskycat]

It had the emissions/engine light on in the dash for 8 days while I waited to get it booked in. I did go to the servicer the 2nd day after the light came on though and they told me there were quite a few errors and they needed it longer to look into it.

So, they had seen the error codes before the failure but were unable to tell it was a timing chain issue. I wonder why...

[brown_d9]

Considering I live in regional Australia (mind you it's the 7th largest city), I'm not surprised that they haven't heard of this failure and they are trying to get Skoda onside to fix it. The insult more was from the servicer (Audi) saying I was 'lucky' to get anything as they don't 'have to' provide a new engine as it's out of warranty. Surely a 4 year old car should not need a new engine and I could 'reasonably expect' to get MUCH longer out of it than this.

It's the 6 speed manual, petrol 2.0 VRS. Just wouldn't start. Left me stranded and had to get it towed. It had the emissions/engine light on in the dash for 8 days while I waited to get it booked in. I did go to the servicer the 2nd day after the light came on though and they told me there were quite a few errors and they needed it longer to look into it. Then I had to wait for an available spot to book it in to get looked at. Of course it failed midday the day prior to my scheduled booking!

So far only verbal agreement to the Audi service manager that skoda will cover the engine cost, not labour. He thinks I get a 2-year warranty on the new engine.

I've contacted Skoda Australia through Facebook, waiting on a call back.

Do you know if this 'new engine' is a reconditioned one? Or brand new? The current ones they're manufacturing don't fit in the 09 model ...

I'm also out of pocket rental car costs ... :(

 

Some people seem to have had a brand new unit, but mine was a reconditioned one... Either way as far as I know you get a 2 year warranty with it.

 

I have read somewhere that you have to pay a contribution to the bill to get the warranty (which I didn't) but I havnt had any warranty claims on the new unit so cant put this to the test yet.

[pmdc199]

I just spoke to one of the case investigators at SUK and it seems the money comes from the Czech Skoda engine (vag) factory budget for the good will which maybe why the figures on some good will outside warranty are roughly the cost of the engine and not the labour.

[Glacierman]

I've experienced problems with progressively increasing oil consumption on my 59 reg 1.8 Tsi Yeti (52k miles). I've been topping it up regularly over the last year but am now having to top-up every 100-150 miles prompted by the oil warning light. The engine is also sounding pretty rough. I recently booked it in to the dealers for a service and they have identified oil leaks from the engine and it is booked in for further diagnostics next week - I'll report back on the verdict but I'm bracing myself.

[swany]

engine problems coming home tonight, 2011 vrs manual swith just under 17000 mikes on the clock. started off with what felt like a misfire got to the stage that car would hardly pull, luckily i was able to coast home( All downhill) just on idle. pulled into local private garage who stuck it on computer, pernament issue on cylinder 3, intermittent on 1 and 2. EPC light on and amber engine light flashing(emissions i'm thinking). turn car off now won,t start, engine is turning freely on starter but just doesn't sound like its firing. Do you think this is the dreaded tensioner failure?

[DGW]

Have a read of post #175 in this thread which gives details of the Technical Product Information relating to timing chain tensioner failure and diagnosis. This is the relevant part in your case:

Engine cannot be started, the Check warning lamp is on.

In the engine CU, the following fault is stored:

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00022 P0016 CMP Sensor -G40 Engine Speed (RPM) Sensor -G28 Incorrect allocation;

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00808 P0328 Knock Sensor 1-G61 Circuit High.

Ideally you need to get your car scanned with diagnostic kit which can confirm if the codes above are stored in the engine control unit (ECU). Any Skoda or VAG dealer or VAG specialist will be able to do this, as will any Briskoda member with VCDS. You can find a list of such members in the thread below.

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/262215-list-of-vcds-owners-previously-known-as-vag-com/

[swany]

fault codes are as follows. p0300, p0301, p0302, p0303, p0130a and 0078.     O2 sensor, fuel low pressure and misfires. has anybody any ideas what has happened?  Garage recon there is agood chance the engine could be in need of new rings for the pistons with the amount of petrol that has been passed into the exhaust

[JB-)]

fault codes are as follows. p0300, p0301, p0302, p0303, p0130a and 0078.     O2 sensor, fuel low pressure and misfires. has anybody any ideas what has happened?  Garage recon there is agood chance the engine could be in need of new rings for the pistons with the amount of petrol that has been passed into the exhaust

 

Not sure why worn rings would translate to fuel in the exhaust, but anyway, it sounds like it's time to take the head off and see what's going on. I'm afraid it does sound like the tensioner has perhaps failed and has damaged the valves, although the usual way they fail is as the engine is started, not whilst it's running. Is your car still under warranty? If not, has it got full Skoda history?

[swany]

no out of warranty 3 months ago full service history though. no recovery either so have to find someway of getting the car 50mile to skoda dealer.not sure about tensioner as garage got car started today to move it all be it on 3 cylinders. the ring damage is from all the unburnt fuel washing the oil from the bores.

[JB-)]

no out of warranty 3 months ago full service history though. no recovery either so have to find someway of getting the car 50mile to skoda dealer.not sure about tensioner as garage got car started today to move it all be it on 3 cylinders. the ring damage is from all the unburnt fuel washing the oil from the bores.

 

Ah I see what you meant now. Was thinking they were saying that worn rings caused fuel to enter the exhaust.

 

I think you need to contact SUK before going any further with the current garage. It might be worth it in the long run if you get it recovered to the dealer. If you're in the RAC or similar, get it out on to the road and ring them, then get them to take to the Skoda dealer. Quite a few people have had some decent pay outs from Skoda for these failures. If you let the garage it's at go any further then Skoda might not be interested.

[juke99]

Hey,

i am frm India & one of the very few who own a 1.8tsi mk2 octys here.

sorry to pickup this little older topic but just explored that my Octy mk2 vRS engine is a 1.8 Tsi CDAA series with engine number - CDA203141. reading this post is making me concerned about it as its the same series which is prone to Chain slippage.

 

can someone plese let me know what alll i need to check in order to be on a conclusion to change the tensioner or certain related parts to be on the safer side. it is as i have picked up my car in 2011 as just a weekend drive car with about 21xxx miles on odo as of now.

[DGW]

Your car almost certainly has the second version of the timing chain tensioner fitted. That tensioner was revised a further two times, and the timing chain has also been revised recently. If I were you I would change both. The latest part numbers are 06K 109 467K (tensioner) and 06H 109 158AA (timing chain). The UK price of those is just under £100. I think that they will take 4-5 hours to change.

The only way to know for sure the part number of the timing chain tensioner fitted is to remove the bottom cover for the timing chain.

The post below gives part numbers and revision dates for tensioners and chain.

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/266114-18tsi-and-20tsi-engine-failures/?p=3731983