1.8TSI and 2.0TSI engine failures

[ginandtonic]

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Edited 24 March, 2015 by ginandtonic

[concretepoetry]

Hello all

 

So I've read this thread and now I am in a bit of a dilemma. I'm umm'ing and ahh'ing over buying a 2010 60 plate vrs 2.0 TSI. It's covered 57k miles. I've only had a brief look through the service history but it doesn't seem to have been affected by these problems thus far. One owner car, full service history through the same approved Skoda garage. I'm looking at it again tomorrow and taking it out for a second drive, but from what I understand there are unlikely to be any significant things to notice in reference to this potential failure, except the possible rattle noise when starting the engine from cold which I shall listen out for.

 

This car is at a Peugeot dealership, and it is due a major service. This will be carried out fully by the garage prior to my ownership. 

 

Two questions, and I appreciate any comments at all - 

 

- Do you think that it will make a difference having Peugeot service the car if the worst happens later down the line and I'm having to argue my case with Skoda (i.e. it was serviced prior to me buying it and therefore out of my control - this would be my second VRS (my previous being an 07 plate PD170) and that has FSSH)

- Is it worth discussing where I stand with the dealership on the matter and explaining that if the warranty that they offer would not cover it that I would be willing to partially foot the bill for the replacement parts prior to me taking ownership of the vehicle?

 

Let me know your thoughts, I value your opinion!

Emma

[Mat-Manchester]

I'd tell them you want to maintain the Skoda service history and get them to discount the car based on the cost of a major service at Skoda if you can.

 

Or shop around and wait for one to come up at a Skoda dealer (like I did).

 

Not sure how relevant this is on here but my brother has an 09 registered Audi A4 2.0T (says TFSI on the engine cover) and its the Quattro, 4WD version. Over the weekend he went to start it, strange noise, wouldn't start. Top and bottom of it is it ended up at a garage and the chain tensioner has failed. The garage have stripped the engine down and sent the cylinder head for testing to see what the damage is.

 

I asked the mechanic about the engine and he says it is very similar to my VRS (2.0 TSi - 10 plate) so why when it happens on the Skoda's does it require a new engine block when on the Audi it looks as though it will be repaired?

 

For comparison his car has done 90,000 miles and its had a REVO remap at some stage in its life. He's looking at a £1500 bill. This is the second Audi with the exact same engine and exact same problem that this garage have done this month!

[TsvRS]

In my own experience, both Skoda and the dealer will simply leave the owner in the dirt - and take their sweet time over doing so.

If the chain tensioner and camshaft bridge are brought up to specification then you can probably manage the risk yourself but a new engine which is a very likely outcome should either fault occur could cost as much as the car is worth. A £1,500 bill would be getting off very lightly. Based on the quotes I received then a new cylinder head would come in at just below £4,000 and a reconditioned one at around £2,600. In both cases a further problem might arise but a new engine is generally much more expensive.

I really cannot say if an extended warranty would help.

[Gti Jazz Blue]

Are you sure that he has taken it to an Audi dealer ? An independent Garage is more likely to fix what is broken, where-as the official procedure from VAG is to replace the Engine.

[Mat-Manchester]

Sorry yes it's gone to an independent garage. I suppose it all hinges on the response from the cylinder head check then as to what the final bill may be.

[neil_f]

I have read every single page of this thread after finding it today. I have a 2.0vrs registered in Jan 2011 and until today enjoyed every minute I have driven it. I think I'll px it now for a bog standard family motor. Wish I'd never read the thread in the first place but then again best to know these things. Every time I start her up now I'll be listening for the death rattle as I have my car serviced by a reliable friendly independent mechanic, so can't see Skoda stumping up any help if it goes tits up. I am absolutely gutted after reading this thread.

The chances of it happening are still slim though. I sold my 2010 with 64k miles and had no issues. Only sold it as I my mileage was increasing and bought a diesel. Forums will always give the horror stories but as I've said before you need to put it in perspective as to how many of these engines have been made across the vag group against the failure rate. Yes if it happened to me I would be gutted but it wouldn't make me rush to sell the car. As others have suggested have the parts replaced and you should then have a 2year warranty on the new parts.

[cgwtnt]

I understand where your coming from, I was absolutely guttered when mine started giving me problems firing up then the Saturday morning when it went bang. Thankfully Skoda uk was willing to replace the engine under good will even tho the warranty was up. Are you on or around the 40k mileage

 

Sorry to say but i need to add to the list of failed 2.0ltr vrs engines  on an 2011 thats only done 37k

 

Similar to most no notice of any issue until the engine warning light came on but the car still felt fine when driving but when it went to the main dealer bad news after a few hundred pounds spent checking it over the pistons have met the valve and a new engine is required at a total cost of 6k timing( chain tentioners suspected to the cause ) 

 

car is just past its service date but it has been fdsh from new and i am a bit miffed to say the least.

 

whats the likelyhood of goodwill from skoda uk ?

 

and is it worth getting an indy engine specialist to see it the engine is repairable or indeed noticably damaged at all  as i never felt any drop in power only difference i noticed was it took 2-3 seconds  on the ignition to start it i think a new engine is ott 

 

any thoughts or advice 

[j600arv]

Ring suk up first and see wot they are gonna do pal

[DGW]

Sorry to say but i need to add to the list of failed 2.0ltr vrs engines  on an 2011 thats only done 37k

 

I have added details of your car's engine problems to the list at Post 1.   Given that your car has a FDSH and is relatively young, I would expect based on previous case history that you could expect to get a substantial goodwill contribution from Skoda UK.  Do not involve an independent specialist garage until you have exhausted all options via your dealer and Skoda UK.  If the dealer has not already done so on your behalf, contact Skoda UK Customer Service and ask them to raise a case for this engine failure.   Also read this thread carefully to see how others have proceeded and fared.  If all else fails, I believe you have redress under SOGA assuming that you purchased the car from new.

[j600arv]

Mine is a 10 plate which had just over 41k on clock when my chain tensioner failed. I had the first few services at Skoda to start with but had it serviced at an indi about September last yr. around Xmas time I started having a funny noise on start up and this gradually started getting louder. It finally give up one Saturday morning when I was going to work. Would start at all and just a bang, rang suk on the Monday morning and opened a case with them whilst my car was being taken by rac to Skoda at Sheffield. They started taking the engine out Wednesday morning and they rang me on the Friday to say it was ready for picking up. I paid only £324 towards the labour and have a 2 yr warranty.

[m0bov]

Has anyone had issues with coolant leak from the turbo following engine replacement?

[briskycat]

I haven't had such issues, but probably it is one of the known possible problems with this engine mentioned here. A warranty case IMO.

[m0bov]

Its been back 4 times so far!

[Norco]

Anyone have any idea what SUK response has been if you did not buy the car from now? What if you bought from a main dealer used?

[cgwtnt]

skoda uk are so far offering a little bit goodwill which would leave me to find the 4k required to get it back 

 

I didn't buy it new it was an ex demo purchased from a skoda dealership when the car was 6 months old so i too would be interested to know what impact that would have on any terms of the sale of goods act  

[j600arv]

Mine was 6 month old demo when I bought mine from the dealer. I wasn't told to pay 4k tho

[cgwtnt]

very similar circumstances to mine but skoda are still looking for a hefty wedge of my cash to replace the engine 

 

did you have to battle with them or did they just offer a new engine without a fight 

 

 

 

Mine was 6 month old demo when I bought mine from the dealer. I wasn't told to pay 4k tho

[j600arv]

I just mentioned it had only done 41k and it's not very good for Skoda advertising they keep getting the car of the year when you have to replace the engine at such a low mileage. I mentioned the soga act and then I recieved a call back saying they would replace the engine under good will. At first they asked if I'd pay £650 towards labour but I got them down to £324

[bullett]

Hi, wish I had found this thread sooner.

My 2010 vrs which has been flawless up to now took me to the station last week then wouldn't start. My mechanic took a look today and found a loose cam chain.

That lead me here.

 

It sounds like it's the same issue to me. So, what is my next move? get onto my dealer quoting SOGA? what are the facts I need to quote, this thread is 33 pages so I'll trawl through later for anything I've missed but I'm at work so not had the time so far.

 

I purchased new, 65k miles as of now.

[j600arv]

They may ask you to pay a large amount towards the replacement. Others on here with less mileage have been asked to pay a big amount towards repair

[TsvRS]

Some dealers are (far) better than others and yes you will need to claim under SOGA that the car was not fit for purpose due to a defective engine. Should you ever need to go to court there is ample evidence of a general problem yet the onus would still be on you to prove to the court that the problem suffered in your case was the very same one. Your mechanic may be able to furnish that information or you may want to hire a specialist to examine the engine.

[bullett]

Ok thanks. Approach the dealer or HQ or both?

[DGW]

I am sorry to hear about your problem. Skoda UK will probably want one of their dealers to diagnose the problem before considering what if any goodwill they might be prepared to offer. Does your car have a full Skoda dealer service history?

[cgwtnt]

brief update 

 

getting my car back today and the issue was a stretched timing chain 

 

skoda making a 60% contribution to the engine cost 

 

so my part will have to be £2800 to get it back 

 

and skoda want to keep the original engine which i bought and paid for and there was no conversation explaining the goodwill was offered on the condition they get the old engine back

 

I cant help feel rightly or wrongly  I am getting shafted by skoda