DSG Issues,

[matthewl]

1.4 tsi vRS 60 plate.

 

When in manual mode approaching a roundabout, for example I have changed down from 5^th to 1^st pretty quickly when I coming to a slow stop.

 

Then unless I turn my car off and on again I cant pull away even though 1^st is displayed on the screen? What the hell is this issue?

 

Twice now I have been pulling into a roundabout on a 40mph road from a stop and the car has stopped moving! Pretty dangerous if you ask me!

 

im in skoda for some warranty work on the 2nd so should this issue be rectified while im there? is this a common issue?

 

[Ootohere]

Dont change down to 1st then.

 

If you look at what it does in 'D',  you are near stopped 'or are stopped' before it goes down to 1st.

2nd is very low.

You might see the car stops in 2nd, then it goes to '1st'.

 

Maybe try, being in 'D' and to decelerate,

drop the stick to 'S'.  

you will see the Gears drop usually by 2 gears,

I just lift off the throttle, put the stick from 'D'  to 'S;, slow down and it is right back to 'D',  that for driving in Aberdeen,

Like i have just been doing.

 

george

[matthewl]

yeah i usually just drive in D all of the time, manual mode for back road fun. 

i didnt explain clear enough, it was in 1st when i stopped.

i will drive around the problem,

 

do you think its worth mentioning to skoda while im there for warranty work?

see i have never owned an automatic, so didnt know if this was the norm..

[Ootohere]

I think you are confusing the box, i have watched drivers do it in my car.

No fault, its the way you are doing it.

 

Maybe today try to the in 'D normal driving,  in town, 40 mph speed limits,

 and as you come to a stop etc, stick back to 'S', to slow down, hardly need the brakes,

Stick back to 'D' so not too agressive acceleration, more smooth away from the start off,

crawl through the lights to the circle in 'D' and go,  it might never go to 1st gear.

 just to see how the box behaves.

 

& the gearbox remembers drivers,  just got my car back from another person using it.

It has taken a little while to get back to my way of driving.

 

have a nice weekend.

george

 

PS

Tell us the Warranty Issues please.

Make sure the car gets the Latest ECU update when in the Garage, if they say there are none,

ask them to check again.

[matthewl]

I think you are confusing the box, i have watched drivers do it in my car.

No fault, its the way you are doing it.

 

Maybe today try to the in 'D normal driving,  in town, 40 mph speed limits,

 and as you come to a stop etc, stick back to 'S', to slow down, hardly need the brakes,

Stick back to 'D' so not too agressive acceleration, more smooth away from the start off,

crawl through the lights to the circle in 'D' and go,  it might never go to 1st gear.

 just to see how the box behaves.

 

& the gearbox remembers drivers,  just got my car back from another person using it.

It has taken a little while to get back to my way of driving.

 

have a nice weekend.

george

 

PS

Tell us the Warranty Issues please.

Make sure the car gets the Latest ECU update when in the Garage, if they say there are none,

ask them to check again.

 

ahh its nothing serious,

there is a constant knocking noise from the back right. i took a technician out in it, and the nocking wasnt there (sods law!) he had it up on the ramps and had a real good look around, couldnt visibly see anything so 'because he can, and its under warranty' he has ordered a new shock, new spring and a few other bits and is going to just replace the whole right hand side. see if it cures the knocking

he was a good guy, had a laugh with him, very thorough, no fannying on saying he isnt going to order anything as there is nothing wrong Good garage, specialist cars skoda aberdeen!

[Ootohere]

Just tell them to replace Both Sides,   do everthing in Pairs. 

Let them replace to their hearts content.

DO NOT LET THEM REPLACE ONE SPRING AND ONE DAMPER (Shock Absorber.)

That is unbelievable if they are intending doing that.

 

Then once you have all new bits,

& if it still makes a knocking noise, i will try to help tell you what is making the noise.

 

Do not let them replace anything unless it is on both sides.

Your car is low mileage.

Do not put much Faith in 'Skoda Specialist Cars Part of the John Clark Group', with Garages in Dundee & Burrelton.

After each visit check your car over very very carefully.

(Mickey Muppet Roadshow,

 "They all do that sir", & if they must,

'Replace parts', but do the penny pinching, do not actually bother to find the fault, even though it is not that difficult to find')

 

Check your car, Especially if they do an Oil & Filter Change for you.

And look for kerbed wheels or your steering knock out of true from when you dropped it off.

 

*Ask them to do the latest ECU Update on your engine.*

[matthewl]

jesus i didnt think of that! good call, why the hell did i not think of that?

i've just been on the phone and theyre busy at the moment so will be getting a callback soon.

my car has just 17k!

[matthewl]

@goneoffSKi out of interest,

how are the rear shocks replaced? I have had all the plastics out of the rear to apply sound deadening and you are unable to see the topmounts on the top of the wheel wells... would you replace these from below the car?

[newbie69]

Ah, you reminded me of my first year of ownership!

 

One for the DSG:

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/241447-hairy-dsg-moment/?p=2835189

 

and one for the knock:

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/221313-hitting-sound-from-the-right-back-corner-boot-right-side-only/?p=2761675

Edited 18 April, 2014 by newbie69

[matthewl]

Ah, you reminded me of my first year of ownership!

 

One for the DSG:

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/241447-hairy-dsg-moment/?p=2835189

 

and one for the knock:

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/221313-hitting-sound-from-the-right-back-corner-boot-right-side-only/?p=2761675

 

read the first paragraph of the first post, thats what happened to mine, i will continue reading, what was the verdict in the end?

[Ootohere]

So 2 years since the Post that newibe69 linked.

 

We have done lots of miles in that time, i would say 40,000 miles in various Twinchargers.

 

i still say 'Brain Fart' in the DSG.  

Watch how and when you go to 2nd when in 'D; and when it drops into 1st as you stop.

 

1st is a very low gear in the 7 speed DryClutch DSG.

 

Mu car would stand n its nose if i put it into 1st and it did not ignore me.

Depending on Throttle position.

[matthewl]

So 2 years since the Post that newibe69 linked.

 

We have done lots of miles in that time, i would say 40,000 miles in various Twinchargers.

 

i still say 'Brain Fart' in the DSG.  

Watch how and when you go to 2nd when in 'D; and when it drops into 1st as you stop.

 

1st is a very low gear in the 7 speed DryClutch DSG.

 

Mu car would stand n its nose if i put it into 1st and it did not ignore me.

Depending on Throttle position.

 

agree, bet it was just a brain fart, still kinda dangerous though, especially when a driver (who has never had an auto) has been told oooo look it has flappy paddles 'so you can drive it just like a manual'. no you cant, or you will die.

 

cheers for this george,

does the DSG box ever require updates? if so i will enquire about that when i get a callback.

[Ootohere]

Page 98 to 103 of the Owners manual is worth reading.

Not that much to suit the 1.4 TSI Twincharger/DSG, but the main points are all there.

 

The ECU update is good, and any DSG update required will be done.

 

The DSG is pretty good, but it is not bomb proof, & 1st gear is a very low gear, you will hear it drop into first in some cars,

sometimes you hear an Demonstrator making lots of noises,

then drive easy, or your way for a while, it will behave differently.

[newbie69]

agree, bet it was just a brain fart, still kinda dangerous though, especially when a driver (who has never had an auto) has been told oooo look it has flappy paddles 'so you can drive it just like a manual'. no you cant, or you will die.

 

cheers for this george,

does the DSG box ever require updates? if so i will enquire about that when i get a callback.

 

Nothing much really after that. I drive in Manual 90% of the time all right, I just never again manually switched into 1st. If I want to really attack a roundabout I will shift down to 2nd early enough or leave it downshift on its own if I'm not hurrying, and it has never happened again. It's exactly as you describe it I think: "especially when a driver (who has never had an auto) has been told oooo look it has flappy paddles 'so you can drive it just like a manual'. no you cant, or you will die." Ok, maybe not the "die" part but it could get dangerous when you're still learning it and try something like that. You have to realize 1st is only there to start off not drive in it.

 

On the other hand though, the fact that when in Manual and while slowing down to go over speed curbs the box drops to 1st rather early really drives me crazy. Totally useless and even embarrassing some times, can't get why they programmed it like that.

 

PS. I've never had any DSG updates that I know of.

 

PS.2 Still in all DSG's awesomeness, I classify this as a design fault. There's an over-revving protection when downshifting to a very low gear which alreadys prohibits dangerous downshifting so why would the box "confuse" and die out like that if you just operate the paddles normally in that situation? 

Edited 18 April, 2014 by newbie69

[Binzie]

Mine used to brain fart between 1st and 2nd occasionally, but it did a major one with the dealer in the car so I got a new clutch pack (not a ridiculous priced part but a lot of labour to shim and train apparently)

 

No problems now except a rattle or 2 from the mech (I believe only noticeable with both windows down ) 

 

Often doesnt select 1st in D unless dead standstill or up hill ...1 is a crawler ?

[championvRS]

I automatically switch down to S mode when approaching roundabouts and stop areas as a habit due to my last DSG car.. It was the older generation 6th gears and driving is D mode I'd be in 3rd gear trying to pull away in a big heavy v6

Edited 18 April, 2014 by championvRS

[OzFabia]

These boxes do sometimes get caught out if you "confuse" them. I can remember wandering into a dark carpark in an unfamiliar part of town, and because just about every possible exit was blocked off (the one I came in was a one-way job), I ended up doing a whole lot of forward, then reverse. The end result was a false neutral (I believe) - car supposedly in D1 but revving up and not moving. After swapping into S, I drove away, fearing that this was the start of the end of the box, but nothing like it has happened in the six months since, nor the twelve months prior.

[Gumby]

If you are in manual mode, the dsg will still change down to the most appropriate gear when you slow down. Say you are in M 5 and forget to change down when coming to a stop, if you leave it alone it will change to M 1 by itself. It will never let you do anything it consider stupid. Likewise it also change up if you left it revving too high in manual mode for too long.

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[wrightcnc2009]

As a rule when in manual mode, I down change to 2nd and let the car decide if it requires 1st or not, as if I change down to first when still rolling it doesn't always seem to know what to do when reapplying the throttle, I get a big hesitation etc. Worth noting again that even in manual it will up/down change by it's self if needed.

[Ootohere]

They are 1.4 TSI S-A.   'Semi Automated'  or 'Semi Automatic' or what ever the term means.

(still Automatics for those with only an Automatic licence like me.)

 

As to 'Driving like a Manual',  there are cars now with 6  gear manuals with Clutch pedals, (even 7 gear)

that you would never really go down to 1st,

unless stopped, or into 1st to start off.  Some drivers would still choose 2nd to start off with that type of Manual Box.

 

Technology rolls on. Even with Manual Gearboxes.