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hi Guys

 

Recently bought an Octavia Scout (2008) with the standard stream head unit and multi CD changer in the boot.

 

I would like to change to head unit to the Bolero, and wondered what the swap entails (obviously buy a Bolero...)

 

Im not bothered about steering wheel controls, but am keen to make use of the SD card functionality without losing the nice touches for the air con and reverse parking display etc.

 

If this info is already available on the forums could one of you knowledgable guys point me in the right direction please?

 

cheers

 

nidgep

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you will probably need to swap the PDC controller for an OPS unit... but get a code read of the car first to find out what modules you have to see if you just need a coding change to do it.

 

bolereo will also need a climatronic upgrade if you want to keep that on display.

 

oh and new trim :)

 

get a scan for your CAN gateway too to make sure you won't get battery drain!

 

http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/Navigation_System_(RNS510)_Retrofitting

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Thanks for the reply.

 

Blimey! Is it worth the hassle?

 

Is there a step by step guide anywhere for this (I'm assuming that this kind of mod has been done countless times before..)

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Make sure you get the code for the head unit.

The physical swap is easy - 5 minutes with a Torx 20.

Bolero is the same shape as the Stream, so no new trim required. (It's less than a tenner anyway)

 

You don't *need* to get an upgrade controller, unless you really really really really really are desperate not to look 6 inches below the screen ;) The parking works fine without the display as you still get the beeps. (Make sure you turn them right up before removing the Stream though ;) )

 

To change the units over:

Got the Mrs to put the kettle on and make tea

Open ash tray in centre

Palm up, fingers under the edge of the trim

Pull out and up, firmly but gentley (no rush)

Remove the 4 exposed T20 screws

Pull headunit forwards

Undo Quadlock (big black connector) - release catch is at the bottom.

Pull the catch to 90 degrees, the connector will slide out

The aerial has a relase on it - I think that's a squeeze and pull

Put ol unit on floor and grab the new one.

You'll need to remove the face of the Bolero to expose the screw holes

I think Bolero has 2 aerial connectors, you want the inner one of the two. (AM/FM, the other is just FM)

Put the Quadlock back, The catch will pull the connector in as you push it down

Put it all back into the dash

Replace the 4 Torx screws

Replace Bolero's face

Power up and enter code (just to be certain all has gone well)

Replace fascia (pushes back fairly easily)

Ask the Mrs where the tea is, as the job is all done. (It really is that quick ;) ;) )

 

When I did my upgrade, the autochanger was still usable without any coding. Didn't have MFSW so can't vouch for that, but that could easily be a 5 minute coding job anyway.

 

 

I sold my Stream MP3 for £40, but it really would be down to your intentions in the future. I've still got mine from the current car so I can transfer the RNS315 to the next car ;)

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Bolero is the same shape as the Stream, so no new trim required. (It's less than a tenner anyway)

 

 

you just saved me some £ :D  

 

mine should be arriving friday night :)

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I don't think the MFSW will work with it being a pre-fl.

 

One option I have been looking at to get PDC and climate display and also to possibly get premium bluetooth fitted in the future was an Auto-Polar FIS+.

 

It has the ability to convert BAP and DDP CAN messages so you can use FL controllers etc in a Pre-FL car.

 

Phil

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I've been looking at those too. I know Adamal has one of the more basic ones and seems quite happy with it.

 

£200 though........it'll be a toss-up between that and the LED rear clusters at the moment ;)

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I've been looking at those too. I know Adamal has one of the more basic ones and seems quite happy with it.

 

£200 though........it'll be a toss-up between that and the LED rear clusters at the moment ;)

 

Yeah I know... pretty pricey but cheaper and easier than changing PDC controllers over etc.

 

Plus it brings a lot more info onto the Maxidot too.

 

I'm just going to have to take the plunge at some point!

 

Phil

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Yeah I know... pretty pricey but cheaper and easier than changing PDC controllers over etc.

 

Plus it brings a lot more info onto the Maxidot too.

 

I'm just going to have to take the plunge at some point!

 

Phil

 

Yeah, I know, I'll have to do it too at some point. I do like the idea. Yes, it's a lot of extra info coming onto MaxiDot, and all customisable too which will be fun :) :)

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Not a field I need to look into as the RSN315 seems to do all the BT stuff, and the Note3(on Cyanogen) can be set as a hotspot automatically (thru Tasker).

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Thanks for the reply.

 

Blimey! Is it worth the hassle?

 

Is there a step by step guide anywhere for this (I'm assuming that this kind of mod has been done countless times before..)

 

I don't know of a picture guide to go with the words, so, if you've got the camera handy......... ;) ;)

 

 

 

you just saved me some £ :D

 

mine should be arriving friday night :)

 

No worries mate, it's really what Briskoda is all about ;)

 

Looking forward to reading an update on saturday now ;) ;)

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I think it does on a FL (although not 100% sure, not seen any coding for it, although if coded and there's not MaxiDot I doubt anything will be upset ;)  )

 

)I've not used Columbus so I can't compare but,) the girlie in the dashboard does give directions in a timely fashion, so I'm not entirely sure, for me, having an echo in MaxiDot (unless it comes with extra info, like a yards countdown or x exit on roundabout) would bring anything to the party. In the same way, am really not worried about having audio information on MaxiDot, as I am fairly familiar with my music collection on the SD card ;)

 

I suppose it would be a nice-if-it's-there-ti-have kinda thing, but no sleep lost if not. ;) ;)

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Loads of information posted here from some very knowledgable owners.

Thanks RainbowFire for the detailed breakdown on the replacement

 

Only reason I wanted the Bolero was to take advantage of the SD card functionality and ideally retain all of the stock functionality like parking display and temp change on air con, and hopefully the multichanger.

 

I'm a bit anal when changing/upgrading something, I would want everything to work in stock trim (+ extra functionality) without messing about - did a lot of this with a Golf GTi, so got that out of my system.

 

Not bothered about steering wheel/controls, or MaxiDot (although sounds great).

 

For me, the ability to plug something in to handle to messaging (Auto-Polar FIS+ [PF02]) would be preferable to changing parking controllers etc.

Are you guys saying that you can only take full advantage of something like Auto-Polar FIS+ if you have Maxidot?

How would the Auto-Polar FIS+ be installed?

How exactly does this work? For example if one were to be installed would this then enable additional information to be available using a Bolero?

Feature list: http://www.auto-polar.com/forum/showthread.php?169-Comparative-about-FIS-products-%28FIS-FIS-and-ADVANCED%29&s=f0135974969d044ab47445a7405421e1

 

Sorry if the questions are a bit basic, just trying to get up to speed with what options are available and what the cost/benefit/difficulties are with different approaches.

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I've given Adam a nudge to see if he can better answer the questions. :)

 

Although to answer the installation question: from what I've seen, the Polar unit sits between the CANbus gateway and the rest of the car. (Which makes sense from a network point of view)

 

 

It is a shame that the Stream doesn't support MDI as you'd be able to use a USB stick instead of SDcard, and retain all the current functionality. Another option would maybe to go for a Columbus, although that is very not cheap, but should retain all the functionality. Beyond that I think you'd be into the world of non-VW/Skoda head units.

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Thanks RainbowFire. Yes, all I really need is to have a built in SD card reader, but would prefer to stick to OEM units rather than aftermarket, to keep an original look.

 

TBH, I've only had my Scout 10 days now so don't know a great deal about the car, or what options are available to me.

The Columbus looks good.

Is this a simpler, less problematic upgrade which will retain the existing features of the Stream? (parking, air con).

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Skoda-Columbus-RNS-510-navigation/111388228385?_trksid=p5411.c100167.m2940&_trkparms=aid%3D222005%26algo%3DSIC.PROD%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140131123730%26meid%3D7861321358663271578%26pid%3D100167%26prg%3D20140131123730%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D291175347853

Is the Columbus DAB, if so would I need an aerial change?

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You can get Columbus with DAB, but it's not on the one you listed. On the back there is a round black connector in the top left corner. You don't need an aerial change (although you can get an "all-in-one" aerial) it runs off an additional aerial. There are several different ones available - mine's a glass-mount and is on the rear offside window.

 

Columbus has a hard-drive for storing music on too, so you don't *have* to use the card. You would need a new fascia too.

 

I can't swear to anything functionality wise as I've got an RNS315(Amundsen+) however, Phil's got one, so should be able to confirm functionality.

 

 

I've had my Scout since Easter - loving every minute of it so far :)

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I can confirm the polar box sits in between the gateway and the car, but I reckon you DO need maxidot to take advantage of it as all the settings are in there.  Its certainly something I would check with auto-polar before purchasing.

 

On later pre FLs it is easier (in my opinion) to get to the gateway from beneath the wipers and if you do that there is a perfect place to seat the polar box with cable ties and it is very tidy.  You can also drop the update cable behind the steering dash to sit in the cubby under the steering wheel so that you never need to remove it to update it (make sure the update cable is taped to the box).

 

In my case, I only have the bluetooth polar box which allows the newer bluetooth modules to communicate with the car, but it works pretty well and is around £100. I went down the route of changing the controllers for the reverse sensors and climatronic, and it is probably not much difference in price, but a whole load more ballache, especially for the OPS. To be fair though at the time, I had no idea the more functional polar box could do all that is promised - this came up in a recent thread that Phil started I believe.

 

The thing to note with going for the updgraded stereo is the OPS display is much better than with the stream and very useful as a reference check while reversing, and if you are upgrading the stereo anyway and have maxidot, and if the polar box can deliver the OPS and climatronic display as promised, then in my opinion it is worth it, given the additional bluetooth capability it gives too.

 

Adam

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The Columbus will work with pre-FL maxidot. You just need to change the CAN protocol of it using VCDS. I also had to upgrade the firmware and install a software fix as the maxidot gets 'stuck' on the navigation and audio screens until you turn the columbus off again otherwise.

 

It works with the factory boot CD chnager.

 

The Columbus won't display PDC or Climate control out of the box. You would either need to upgrade the controllers for these or install the Polar-FIS+.

 

The FIS+ plugs in between the CAN gateway and car and basically piggybacks the messages between it and the rest of the controllers.

 

Your CAN gateway will either be behind the glovebox or more like with it being a 2008 car (they changed it) behind the wiper motors. There is a guide on here on how to get to it. It's not as scary as it sounds.

 

I use an SD card in mine as it makes it easier to just whip the car out every now and then to update the music on it. You still need a card to copy music to the HDD anyway.

 

In regards to the nav instructions on the maxidot. I've found it very handy so far. Especially when approaching a roudabout and the passenger decides to start fiddling with the music and the instructions are no longer on the main screen.

 

Try and get a later unit if you can (revision D or later) as they had a better screen, bigger HDD and can be upgraded to the newest firmware. Mine's from a 2011 car so I've put the latest 5270 firmware on which speeds it up muchly!

 

Phil

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hi Guys, 

I have a octavia 2 MY2005 and if I install bolero, steering wheel controls will work? will work with pre-FL maxidot?

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hi Guys

 

Finally got around to getting a Bolero, and typically having done so am now wondering if my car CAN gateway is incompatible.

Having read through the Ross-Tech guide (thanks neomancer) , it seems that they are stating that mine is not compatible.

 

CAN gateway info on my car.

 

Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 1K0-907-530-V3.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 P    HW: 1K0 907 951
   Component: J533__Gateway   H16 0191  
   Revision:   H16       Serial number: 2000K07A19050C
   Coding: E9827F0E0002022303
   Shop #: WSC 73430 790 00000
   VCID: 34673D7157F2AF9EAA-8060

 

According to the Ross-Tech article, CAN gateway 1K0 907 530 P version 0191 is not compatible and needs to be replaced.

 

Can anyone give a finite answer on whether my cars gateway is compatible in terms of the battery drain problem please?

..or is it a case of suck it and see?

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I have one of those two gateways (0192) and never had a battery drain issue. I read the same thing years ago when upgrading my Columbus firmware, worried about it a few times, then tried it, figuring I would change it if I had to, and it was fine.

It always struck me as odd that a P version had drain when older L to O versions didn't and I reckon it's an error on that page, where cars with these P gateways had isolated issues, but for other reasons.

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You could always just measure the current draw as that'll answer it without the risk of coming back to a flat battery.

 

Ideally, you would leave the bonnet open with the bonnet switch shorted (so the car thinks the bonnet is shut), lock the car and return two hours later.

 

This gives the car time to turn everything off and enter a low power mode.

 

Without unlocking the car, you can then measure the mV over the fuse in the engine bay for the stereo and see what current it's using as per this VW guide: https://wiki.bentleypublishers.com/display/tech/Parasitic+draw+testing+through+fuse+panel+VW+technical+bulletin+270711

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hi Guys

 

Bolero been fitted a while now.

No battery drain issues.

 

Summary of +/- after upgrade (for my car)

Firstly the positives

  • SD card slot
  • Appearance much better than the Stream
  • No battery drain
  • 6-CD head unit (inc mp3)
  • Acoustic parking 'beeps' retained

Negatives

  • Lost visual parking aid/display
  • Lost audio volume lowering when reverse selected
  • Boot mounted CD changer no longer hooked up to head unit
  • Temp change no longer displays on head unit (not a big deal for me)

Couple of questions.

  • Miss the visual parking aid - what needs to be done to get it working again - I'm guessing a new controller perhaps?
    • If a new controller is required, how do I know what to get and how do I change it
  • CD changer - can this be made to work with the Bolero unit?
    • Is this possible? Can it be done via VCDS?

Any help with the questions would be greatly appreciated.

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