Skoda Superb III forum?

[dieselV6]

Seeing as it's Friday and the new Passat B8 has just been unveiled, perhaps it would be the right time to set up a Mk3 Superb forum? Let everyone put their wishes in? :p

 

I primarily wish that Mk3 Superb received the same twin-turbo 2.0 240bhp diesel as the new Passat, but with FWD and a manual fully synchronised 6-spd gearbox in lieu of/as well as a DSG one. Plus Octavia styled hatch/tailgate (TwinBoot I think was to be cancelled), and a continued tradition of full sized spare and large enough fuel tank (62l minimum, preferably with removable vent valve for diesels). All at least 25% cheaper than Audi A5 Sportback configured to similar spec...

 

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[Gaz]

CCM designed to be cooled by water, pinch bolt free upper arms and a rainwater recycling system for me please   

 

'the same twin-turbo 2.0 240bhp diesel as the new Passat'   

 

Gaz

[rotodiesel]

MkIII Superb - time flies. My list of essentials:

 

Engineers at Wolfsburg must be made to finish designing the product before it is released.

 

The product must be adequately tested before release - under real conditions. This includes using British deciduous trees (not the "perfect" Teutonic variety) and real, genuine rain. A "serviceability test" should include assessing the car after it has been worked on by a selection of UK dealers. 

 

There should be "mystery customer" testing of the UK dealers by Wolfsburg - not M-K. Any dealer caught bodging, being dishonest or losing undertray fixings should be sacked.

 

All dealers should be subject to frequent lie detector testing.

 

rotodiesel.

[old newbie2]

Seeing as it's Friday and the new Passat B8 has just been unveiled, perhaps it would be the right time to set up a Mk3 Superb forum? Let everyone put their wishes in? :p

 

I primarily wish that Mk3 Superb received the same twin-turbo 2.0 240bhp diesel as the new Passat, but with FWD and a manual fully synchronised 6-spd gearbox in lieu of/as well as a DSG one. Plus Octavia styled hatch/tailgate (TwinBoot I think was to be cancelled), and a continued tradition of full sized spare and large enough fuel tank (62l minimum, preferably with removable vent valve for diesels). All at least 25% cheaper than Audi A5 Sportback configured to similar spec...

 

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Would you not prefer to wait a year or two before ordering the Skoda version of the next Passat?

 

DC

[dieselV6]

Well, I'll wait up to 6 years if I am lucky enough with my current Mk1 (still the most reliable car I had so far, despite 130k miles on the clock), so it'll likely be an FL Mk3 Superb on a clearance offer (just before Mk4 appears)  .  Though I had hoped for my Mk1 Octy to last 15 years, and it got written off after just 10 years (someone drove into the back of it), so who knows, perhaps I'll have to replace Mk1 Superb earlier.

 

Roto, I agree with all your comments, however they may be applicable to pretty much entire car industry at present. At least once you have dealt with pollen filter seal, greased the pinch bolts, and updated the suspension, you have a very comfortable and reliable car that you can rely on. The last 40+trips abroad in the Mk1 Superb went without any car related issues, compare this to my wife's Roomster where there is an issue on/after every trip. In fact, the only reason I am taking Roomster-the-shopping-trolley abroad for a 2k mile trip yet again this summer is to make sure I find any remaining problems while the car is still in warranty. Reliability wise, 2yr old Roomster is no match for 8yr old Mk1 Superb.

[gadgetman]

Mk 3 forum now open

[dieselV6]

Thanks!

[Alan16ac]

I'd also like to see the new 2.0 240bhp diesel, the screen in front of the driver on the new Passat looks awesome too, I'd like to see that, cooled as well as heated seats, adaptive cruise control... Better suspension than the MK1 too, my top arms have gone again!

[Supurbia]

I bet it's a stretched Octavia III next time, and what I fine idea it'd be too,

 

Bout time they made a dashboard to be proud of as well, B6/7,Superb 2, Octavia III,Rapid, & Golf dashes are boringly basic to look at and don't have any quality feel about them imo, perhaps an ex Saab/Volvo designer should be brought in to install a bit of shape the mission control instruments, some of us like a flightdeck infront of us.

[Alan16ac]

I bet it's a stretched Octavia III next time, and what I fine idea it'd be too,

Bout time they made a dashboard to be proud of as well, B6/7,Superb 2, Octavia III,Rapid, & Golf dashes are boringly basic to look at and don't have any quality feel about them imo, perhaps an ex Saab/Volvo designer should be brought in to install a bit of shape the mission control instruments, some of us like a flightdeck infront of us.

They always have very conservative dash boards. They're always a bit simple. But they work, the novelty of flashy dashboards soon wears off in my opinion. As for quality well, I think the quality on all the cars you've listed is excellent, have you felt the equivalent Vauxhall, Ford or Peugeot dash, they're very cheap and nasty in comparison.

And as for Volvo dashes, they're not very pretty either tbf. Saabs are okay, but then they've gone now.

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Edited 22 July, 2014 by Alan16ac

[Supurbia]

They always have very conservative dash boards. They're always a bit simple. But they work, the novelty of flashy dashboards soon wears off in my opinion. As for quality well, I think the quality on all the cars you've listed is excellent, have you felt the equivalent Vauxhall, Ford or Peugeot dash, they're very cheap and nasty in comparison.

And as for Volvo dashes, they're not very pretty either tbf. Saabs are okay, but then they've gone now.

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I've got an Insignia at this time Alan and the materials, fit, style and silence are in another league to my old B6 in every way, it's not just me another lad I know has just replaced his Octavia II with an Insignia and said the same thing about the quality, Vectra dash was crap though, I never liked that at all, my Superb MKI however managed to balance that conservative thing with a classic class feel, I've not seen that in any VW or Skoda since tbh, granted the white dials look better but the overall shape of the dash is too flat looking for my taste, but mind you I am a bit of a space shuttle pilot so maybe I'm just a lover of all things illuminated

[Alan16ac]

I've got an Insignia at this time Alan and the materials, fit, style and silence are in another league to my old B6 in every way, it's not just me another lad I know has just replaced his Octavia II with an Insignia and said the same thing about the quality, Vectra dash was crap though, I never liked that at all, my Superb MKI however managed to balance that conservative thing with a classic class feel, I've not seen that in any VW or Skoda since tbh, granted the white dials look better but the overall shape of the dash is too flat looking for my taste, but mind you I am a bit of a space shuttle pilot so maybe I'm just a lover of all things illuminated

That's the thing I guess. If you like the dash in the Insignia well that's for you to decide. We all need to like different things, as if we all liked the same styles the world would be a boring place! And there'd be a monopoly with manufacturers.

As for Vauxhall, well I can't comment on the Insignia, I've driven a new 5 door Astra and the GT or whatever the 3 door is called, both had creaky dash boards, and felt a bit cheap. Given that the insignia is a higher model, I guess it will be better.

[Supurbia]

That's the thing I guess. If you like the dash in the Insignia well that's for you to decide. We all need to like different things, as if we all liked the same styles the world would be a boring place! And there'd be a monopoly with manufacturers.

As for Vauxhall, well I can't comment on the Insignia, I've driven a new 5 door Astra and the GT or whatever the 3 door is called, both had creaky dash boards, and felt a bit cheap. Given that the insignia is a higher model, I guess it will be better.

 

 

They've had a complete departure from the Vectra C days, I had one of those before the Superb MK1 and didn't like it much, too harsh on the bumps, too squared off inside, exterior not much better,

 

Rating my last 5 cars would go like this

 

 

VX Omega

VX Insignia

SK Superb MK1

VW Passat B6

VX Vectra C

 

Set in their own time periods that is, I don't think VW will ever get me again, Skoda might but it's unlikely due to the prices now.

[kopparberg]

Lol its like comparing a burger to a fillet steak, after six months the insignia felt like a ten year old car imo and I was relieved to get rid, the sat nav was excellent mind and they are cheap, horses for courses I suppose.

[Supurbia]

Lol its like comparing a burger to a fillet steak, after six months the insignia felt like a ten year old car imo and I was relieved to get rid, the sat nav was excellent mind and they are cheap, horses for courses I suppose.

 

 

Na not at all,  I believe it's down to what floats your boat,

 

 

For me the VX is more panel solid, I've yet to hear a creak in the cabin, and like for like I got out of a T-boned Vectra that the shell moved 1 inch the same week as a B5 Passat owner was killed locally and the car was a mess, others I know have rolled and head on'd the Vectras and walked away, my B6 used to flex and creak all the time,

 

For me it's I refuse to pay VAG prices anymore, the other thing that puts me off is the insides of them look like a cheap PC desktop and case, also VW get the award for the only cars I've ever owned where the door card de-laminate and split,

 

I like a featured interior, other's like the simplistic bland dashes, I like to sit up in a car, VW likes you to sit near the road, I like to tilt the squab back, VW doesn't fit that function, I like a seat that holds you, other than the B6 Sport seats VW ones are flat and allow body movement, the VX uses zero oil between services the VW eats it,

 

A mate just bought £17k of Elite to replace his Octavia, he could've bought an Octavia Elegance if he'd wanted to, he says how much better the Insignia is built and how much more comfort there is in it, another mate bought an eclusive model to replace her Octavia, she says it uses a bit more fuel but you pay for the comfort?

 

Locally the Octavia's are steadily vanishing and Insignia's appearing, we're in them all day so what does that say?

 

Not to diss the Skoda or the VW as if one came right I'd buy another, well if I didn't like the VX offering at the time anyway, but although they are a good mechanical car the rest of it is quite frankly built on the cheap, our cars get a hammering, there's a reason why I've run VX's for nearly 30 years, I had a 2 year flirt with a Pug to my horror, a good 3 year stint in the original Superb which I cannot fault and another 3 years in a hideous pile of poo B6 Passat which is also the first car with a turbo I've ever owned to need a new one before it had done 40K,

 

I know it's a Skoda forum but I find it so Clarkson that people diss the VX cars regardless, they are made by GM the largest manufacturer in the world yet it's the same from a Ford to a Honda forum, they all poke the pee out of the VX in much the same way school boys do to the pretty girl because they are too frightened to ask her out,

 

Right now the only way to buy a VAG car is to buy in brand new on a healthy discount, second hand and your paying almost as much for someone elses old one, if I can give you two positives where the Skoda really wins, it's depreciation and marginal on the fuel urban, in the case of the Superb the length room so 3, although on a like for like long run the B6 gave 42mpg, the Insignia 49mpg, that's two 180 mile runs and a weeks worth of getting about in the vicinity,

 

Anyway like I said it's down to the individual taste at the end of the day but VX knocking will not be tollerated

Edited 31 July, 2014 by Supurbia

[Alan16ac]

Na not at all, I believe it's down to what floats your boat,

For me the VX is more panel solid, I've yet to hear a creak in the cabin, and like for like I got out of a T-boned Vectra that the shell moved 1 inch the same week as a B5 Passat owner was killed locally and the car was a mess, others I know have rolled and head on'd the Vectras and walked away, my B6 used to flex and creak all the time,

For me it's I refuse to pay VAG prices anymore, the other thing that puts me off is the insides of them look like a cheap PC desktop and case, also VW get the award for the only cars I've ever owned where the door card de-laminate and split,

I like a featured interior, other's like the simplistic bland dashes, I like to sit up in a car, VW likes you to sit near the road, I like to tilt the squab back, VW doesn't fit that function, I like a seat that holds you, other than the B6 Sport seats VW ones are flat and allow body movement, the VX uses zero oil between services the VW eats it,

A mate just bought £17k of Elite to replace his Octavia, he could've bought an Octavia Elegance if he'd wanted to, he says how much better the Insignia is built and how much more comfort there is in it, another mate bought an eclusive model to replace her Octavia, she says it uses a bit more fuel but you pay for the comfort?

Locally the Octavia's are steadily vanishing and Insignia's appearing, we're in them all day so what does that say?

Not to diss the Skoda or the VW as if one came right I'd buy another, well if I didn't like the VX offering at the time anyway, but although they are a good mechanical car the rest of it is quite frankly built on the cheap, our cars get a hammering, there's a reason why I've run VX's for nearly 30 years, I had a 2 year flirt with a Pug to my horror, a good 3 year stint in the original Superb which I cannot fault and another 3 years in a hideous pile of poo B6 Passat which is also the first car with a turbo I've ever owned to need a new one before it had done 40K,

I know it's a Skoda forum but I find it so Clarkson that people diss the VX cars regardless, they are made by GM the largest manufacturer in the world yet it's the same from a Ford to a Honda forum, they all poke the pee out of the VX in much the same way school boys do to the pretty girl because they are too frightened to ask her out,

Right now the only way to buy a VAG car is to buy in brand new on a healthy discount, second hand and your paying almost as much for someone elses old one, if I can give you two positives where the Skoda really wins, it's depreciation and marginal on the fuel urban, in the case of the Superb the length room so 3, although on a like for like long run the B6 gave 42mpg, the Insignia 49mpg, that's two 180 mile runs and a weeks worth of getting about in the vicinity,

Anyway like I said it's down to the individual taste at the end of the day but VX knocking will not be tollerated

I'd agree on VAG engines eating oil in some cases the 1.4, 1.6 and 2.0 old petrols. My first car was a 1.4 Golf 2001, and it munched through oil. But my 1.9 TDi never needs an oil top up between services. In fact I touch no fluids on neither mine nor my other halves car. Both 1.9 TDi 130 (Superb Elegance 2002 on 140,000 and a Fabia VRS 2003 on 177,000 miles). Can't comment on the newer engines in the B6 and up, but my B5 and the Fabia are excellent. Both easy achieve upwards of 60mpg on long runs. And my record is 82.2mpg over 200 miles in the Superb all be it driving VERY carefully. Even driving at fair pace I don't see under 50 ever.

One reason I do stick with VAG too is my cousin has a VAG specialist garage, so my servicing and repairs are uber cheap! So for me they're very cheap cars to run.

The B5 doesn't perform as well in crash tests as the last Vectra, but the B5 is an ancient platform now. I think it was rewarded 4 stars by EuroNCAP, and the Vectra got 5? Hopefully I never need to experience this! I drive a 1990 MX5 as my weekend toy and I dread to think how that'd fair in a crash!

Edited 31 July, 2014 by Alan16ac

[Supurbia]

It was the 2.0 PD that ate it and I mean ate it, 1L per 2000 miles, I think the turbo was having it tbh as I never replaced it, I just let it siren and overboost for the next 35k before shifting it on, what a happy day that was,

 

The 1.9 Superb would take a litre over 10k which is what I call acceptable,

 

B6 was dross, I had 4 injectors, a lift pump, the turbo should've been replaced, the DSG flywheel was going home where I'd get a run on thump when pulling up sharp, I suspect the tandem pump might also have been letting oil into the fuel, glowplug 1, the door card split, the door side of the seat crumpled and split and sagged, the rear seat looked like a dried in porn shoot in no time, and I had a good one lol,

 

In contrast

 

Vectra B 93k one airflow meter £120

 

Omega   65k nothing

 

Vectra C 42k until it's death, 2 rear link bars, one aircon re-gass, all warranty

 

Superb 1 102k egr valve,boot struts warranty, alternator,battery £200

 

Insignia 50k battery, didn't really need one I was forgetting to turn off the auto lights while sat waiting for a job, turbo control valve, warranty

 

Also got another fella at work, B6 1.9 Highline, new engine,starter motor, and 2 octavia's that have shot their oil pumps PD engines,

 

Cheers for the comments

Edited 31 July, 2014 by Supurbia

[kopparberg]

Lol are you on commission or something, sorry but from my experiences vauxhalls build quality is shockingly poor compared to vw and the insignia is just plain nasty and everywhere you look you see one and that's not cos they are good, it's cos their cheap but you can praise them as much as you like cos that's your choice.

[Alan16ac]

The 2.0 PD was a massive **** up. A great failure on VAGs part. However 1.9s go forever if looked after. If his 1.9 went I doubt it had been looked after. As for the other 2 PD engines. If they were the 2.0 PD then yes the oil pumps do go. Unfortunately as above one of VAGs failures.

We could throw arguments back and forth. But as this is a Skoda forum, I doubt Vauxhall will get much love here. And as much as you may dislike Skoda. They are proven to be one of the most reliable brands and the most satisfying to own. Look at all the survey results. They speak for themselves.

Also look at What Car? The Insignia gets a terrible review, but the Skodas all get 4 and 5 stars.

[ILOVEMYSUPERB]

Have to agree r.e. build quality. I had an insignia on a long term rental for work a couple of years back and it was very creaky and plasticy inside. Every time I leaned on the centre arm rest the whole armrest/handbrake/gearlever trim groaned and moved at least half an inch and I'm no sumo wrestler. The "sporty" spoiler came off one night on the M6 too and I don't think it was VX's attempt to reduce drag. I totally get brand loyalty and everyone's entitled to their own opinion I don't think that this is the place where you're going to get much support for and Anti-VAG Pro-VX stance though.

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[Leon-y-k]

The VX brand here bugs me, they make some really nice products but it's some of the owners that come with the cars... they just seem to ruin the brand. It tends to be VX more than any other brand too and I find it odd because they do try to come across premium. 

 

But if it was Opel it wouldn't bother me!? Psychologically I have more respect for the Opel brand than the VX one. My friend works at Opel marketing in Frankfurt and they have a joke that all the broken ones get VX badges!   

[Alan16ac]

Speaking of VX quality. A woman in my work scrapped her Corsa because the ECU failed, a girl has just gone to go home now and her Corsa won't start. The battery has power, but there's nothing when you turn the key. A woman in my last job had a 1.2 Corsa blow up on her too, only a year old and 5,000 miles.

Edited 1 August, 2014 by Alan16ac

[gadgetman]

Dont they have alternator issues which led to fires?

 

It was on BBC Watchdog

[Alan16ac]

Dont they have alternator issues which led to fires?

It was on BBC Watchdog

No idea.

[Supurbia]

Lol are you on commission or something, sorry but from my experiences vauxhalls build quality is shockingly poor compared to vw and the insignia is just plain nasty and everywhere you look you see one and that's not cos they are good, it's cos their cheap but you can praise them as much as you like cos that's your choice.

 

 

That's why they are cheaper due to volume, I can only call on near 30 years of ownership, I wouldn't buy a car I didn't trust, right now there are only 3 I would buy to use for my job, VX,Skoda,VW in that order, those are the only 3 I'd feel I had a chance of it being on the road rather than a ramp,

 

But how you can say about the build is beyond me, my Passat at 50k looked like a 200k car, the VX at 50k looks brand new still, the centre console which fits in with the car rather than an afterthought as seen in the Octy3 and only if you buy the top models doesn't move or creak at all, I think tbh you're making it up for effect, if you want to see poor materials look in a B6 or an Octy 2 at the drivers door card with it's 5 inch split because you had your arm resting on it too much (not just mine btw) or the peeling of the coatings on the inner door grab handles in the MK1 Superb,

 

Like you said it's down to the individual choice but please don't make a Skoda into a BMW where the fairy tale goes it never goes wrong and is brilliant in every way, we all know that if that were true BMW wouldn't need mechanics would they,

 

I have to tell you this one, when I had the MK1 I had two things soon after buying it, I went to Skoda and informed them what was wrong, both time the mechanic came out to see the car and repeated back to me what I'd already told him as if I'd never told him, and on one visit they instead of replacing the EGR valve which clearly had a split diaphram inside it was cleaned and returned to me still broken 6 hours later resulting in another visit to fix properly, oh and on one visit the mechanic feeling masculated retorted to me on the way to the car "We'll be the judge of that" lol, funny ole world.