DSG judder in 2nd gear

[Dangerousdriver]

My 2010 VRS started a strange habit today. it's done 29k and FDSH. Not really thrashed and I hardly use manual but today I noticed when accelerating slowly whilst in second the car judders slightly and then carries on smooth as silk.

 

If you pull away from stationary it will change up all the way through the gears with no hesitation. It just seem to be if you hold it 2nd then accelerate. The harder the acceleration the less you notice it. 

 

Called Skoda who stated they have heard of DSG judder!! Yeah right....

 

The car is obviously out of warranty and low mileage given it's age, just considering whether to get rid fast?

 

I've read the numerous other threads on other VAG sites but just wanted some thoughts of others who have some knowledge of the issue. 

 

Cheers in advance

[Rooted]

Welcome to the forum. Has the car been in to a Skoda Dealership for the DSG service campaign to have the MCU checked, the oil changed from synthetic mineral and a software update. Done free if the car is one that needs it doing, they should have told you about this.

[OzFabia]

Might be mechatronics.

[Dangerousdriver]

Welcome to the forum. Has the car been in to a Skoda Dealership for the DSG service campaign to have the MCU checked, the oil changed from synthetic mineral and a software update. Done free if the car is one that needs it doing, they should have told you about this.

 

Hi, and thanks for the welcome. 

 

The car has not been in since it's last service which was July last year. 

 

Where is this DSG service campaign information available so I can present it to them when I call back?

 

They did not make me aware of this at all and I spoke with two separate people in the service dept.

 

Thanks for this info, very helpful. 

[Rooted]

Search here,with, Fabia recall or dq200 service campaign the forum is full of posts and threads by me on it, or pinned in the general chat section. http://skoda.co.nz/news/dsg-service-campaign it is the same as this without the new MCU but you might need one if not clutch packs. Sorry on a phone with poor reception.

Edited 10 June, 2015 by goneoffSKi

[Rooted]

Is the car serviced ok now if last done July?? So new spark plugs in, new air filter and new fuel filter. Latest software update on the engines ECU then the DSG can get checked out properly. Is it in D it is happening?

[matthab]

My Cupra started doing this. It would judder in 1st and 2nd in pull away.

 

After much things replaced like mechatronics and software updates they changed the clutches. Apparently the clutches were revised in later cars.

[sharkrider]

^^^ true they were... just sounds like a bit of clutch judder to me, i really wouldn't worry about it, as it sounds quite slight from how you describe it.

[Dangerousdriver]

Is the car serviced ok now if last done July?? So new spark plugs in, new air filter and new fuel filter. Latest software update on the engines ECU then the DSG can get checked out properly. Is it in D it is happening?

 

Well, I purchased the car in March this year. It has full Skoda dealer history with the last minor service being last July. I always keep oil levels correct and are checked every two weeks. Use only Momentum 99 since bought. I had an Ibiza Cupra same year as the VRS and had a clutch pack go on me, luckily just a month before my warranty ended so I got it fixed and sold swiftly. 

 

It's really odd because I've tried to replicate the fault by pulling away getting up to third then letting off and allowing the box to back to second of it's own accord. Then i'll accelerate and it judders ever so slightly on some occasions but not others. Accelerating straight from first up through the gears does not show any issues at all. It's only if the car is 2nd gear. 

 

I tried in D where I drive most of the time. It also does it in S but not as much and the same in M. 

 

I assumed that as the car is effectively 5 years old now that Skoda would not continue updating ECU and DSG software? I'm guessing now that I might be wrong to assume that....

[Dangerousdriver]

^^^ true they were... just sounds like a bit of clutch judder to me, i really wouldn't worry about it, as it sounds quite slight from how you describe it.

 

Yeah it's not affecting the performance mate. It's just a new noise. The car has had an easy life really so little bemused why it's happening now?? 

[Dangerousdriver]

I forgot to add, the rear exhausts are black and I find tiny little soot particles on my rear bumper and boot. The other day my mate and I were having a spirited drive with him behind and he said that when I floored it there was a greyish smoke coming from the pipes for a second. Weird because it drives perfectly fine and oil use is not anymore than normal for these e.g 1L for a 1000 miles.

[Rooted]

That is not an issue.

The cars run rich when cold and then need a good blow out.

Mine look like the car is a diesel, and proud of it am i.

(you give that driver up your jacksy the thought they might have a chance because it is just a diesel they are behind, 

and then you puff some smoke at them, and leave them sitting.)

 

Have you checked the Spark Plugs and the Air Filter, and changed them.

& do you run 99 ron petrol?

 

PS.

1 litre for 1,000 miles is a ridiculous amount of oil to use.  

Stuff that for a caper, even the VW possible 1 litre in 1,242 miles is far too much and a figure they give on all engines.

 

But if you are happy, then thats fine.

Best use 5w 40 VW 502 00 & not Castrol 5w 30 VW504 00.

Edited 12 June, 2015 by goneoffSKi

[Dangerousdriver]

That is not an issue.

The cars run rich when cold and then need a good blow out.

Mine look like the car is a diesel, and proud of it am i.

(you give that driver up your jacksy the thought they might have a chance because it is just a diesel they are behind, 

and then you puff some smoke at them, and leave them sitting.)

 

Have you checked the Spark Plugs and the Air Filter, and changed them.

& do you run 99 ron petrol?

 

PS.

1 litre for 1,000 miles is a ridiculous amount of oil to use.  

Stuff that for a caper, even the VW possible 1 litre in 1,242 miles is far too much and a figure they give on all engines.

 

But if you are happy, then thats fine.

Best use 5w 40 VW 502 00 & not Castrol 5w 30 VW504 00.

 

Ha ha, That's a tactic I used to use in my Leon FR TDI. 

 

No mate, I have not checked the plugs and filter. It's booked in for a service end of the month at Skoda but there is a VAG specialist QSTuning right no my doorstep so i'm tempted to take it there but mindful that I don't want to lose the Skoda stamp!! Decisions decisions.....

 

I use Tesco 99 Momentum and have done since I've owned the car. 

 

I'm not happy with the oil consumption but having heard others this amount seems normal. I'm using Castrol Edge 5W 30 so will change that out. What's the benefit of using 40 over 30?

 

Just called up my Skoda dealership who stated they do not have any knowledge of an DSG service campaign and that my car had the oil changed from synthetic to mineral as part of a VAG instruction. When I asked about the software updates I was told I 'd be charged £100 for them!! I thought they plugged the car in as a part of a service and checked to see if it needed updating...

Edited 12 June, 2015 by Dangerousdriver

[Rooted]

Anyone that told you that is normal is talking sharn, its accepted by many, it is not as should be though.

& even the daftest at Dealerships that quote it then find they are talking nonsense.

 

What is the Skoda Stamp worth. ?

Skoda never even told you about a Service Campaign.

 

A Service should have had the car on the VAS and diagnostics done, and any Updates / Enhancements done,

a CAVE Engine should have had a ECU update at the First or Second Service.

or a Major Inspection Service, so they are taking the Pith.

 

If you are having to buy oil at that rate, do not use Castrol and not Castrol or Quantum III Long life,

Fixed Servicing with VW 502 00 is OK,  so any 5w 40 Oil to that standard, even from Asda or Tesco,  Comma Oil, Shell etc will 

be liable to help your Oil Consumption.

 

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues

 

Best change the spark plugs if not done already.

Maybe use an Independent not Skoda UK.

 

.........................

Of course they know of it, they did it.  Is this some Service Desk receptionist or manager you are talking to?

If they did the Service Campaign Field Action on the DSG, OIl Changed, that included a Software Update.

(different from the Engine ECU Software update.)

?

Is there a Sticker in the boot saying it is done?

I bumped the thread yesterday for you to see on the DSG Service Campaign.

[Rooted]

Can you tell me about your car please.

Is it a 10 Plate,  and when was it first Registered.  

what colour of car ?

 

If you can be bothered, 

please look at the Orange Sticker on the Drivers side of the engine and let me know the date on it.

thanks.

[Dangerousdriver]

Can you tell me about your car please.

Is it a 10 Plate,  and when was it first Registered.  

what colour of car ?

 

If you can be bothered, 

please look at the Orange Sticker on the Drivers side of the engine and let me know the date on it.

thanks.

 

I will do and get back to you shortly mate

[rerving]

I had the same issue, Booked in with a dealer who confirmed the fault. Replaced DSG clutch pack. all is resolved (and covered by warranty)

[Dangerousdriver]

I will do and get back to you shortly mate

 

Can you tell me about your car please.

Is it a 10 Plate,  and when was it first Registered.  

what colour of car ?

 

If you can be bothered, 

please look at the Orange Sticker on the Drivers side of the engine and let me know the date on it.

thanks.

 

It is indeed a 10 plate, red and first registered 23/7/10

 

The orange sticker says 18.06.10 and four numbers 9519

[Dangerousdriver]

I had the same issue, Booked in with a dealer who confirmed the fault. Replaced DSG clutch pack. all is resolved (and covered by warranty)

 

Unfortunately mate, mine isn't under warranty so looks like i'm selling it 

[Rooted]

Our cars were built almost the same time, mine was first registered on the 29th July 2010.

Sticker date the same,  and the 9519 is the number also on your ECU Sticker.

(i have 9519 as well)

 

'Brian69' has an identical car, 60 plate but built before yours and mine.

 

No need to sell it is there,?

plenty of life in it.

 

You can buy a 'Skoda Approved Used Warranty' for it, 

after all it has a Service History and no faults or problems, the dealer can confirm that, 

because they never see or hear anything and they never diagnose any faults or problems.

Edited 12 June, 2015 by goneoffSKi

[Dangerousdriver]

Our cars were built almost the same time, mine was first registered on the 29th July 2010.

Sticker date the same,  and the 9519 is the number also on your ECU Sticker.

(i have 9519 as well)

 

'Brian69' has an identical car, 60 plate but built before yours and mine.

 

No need to sell it is there,?

plenty of life in it.

 

You can buy a 'Skoda Approved Used Warranty' for it, 

after all it has a Service History and no faults or problems, the dealer can confirm that, 

because they never see or hear anything and they never diagnose any faults or problems.

 

Took it out this afternoon and had no issues. It seems to be intermittent but who knows what it is. 

 

I'm just concerned that if it does suddenly go i'm faced with a large bill so rather get rid now than face an expensive repair. 

 

I didn't know that I could buy a Skoda warranty for it now. I'll have to enquire about that. 

[Rooted]

If you feel there is a DSG issue then raise a case with Skoda UK Customer Services.

 

VW / Skoda started the Service Campaign on the DQ200 because of the possible issues.

In other world regions they did a World Wide Recall. & in some World Regions extended the Warranty on the DQ200.

 

Original Manufacturers Warranty has nothing to do with it,

a Skoda Dealership did a Service Campaign when your car was in for a Service.

?

Did they ask you to sign to allow them to do it, or ask you to sign to say you were informed of the work and the choice to not have it done.

?

Do you know if they did a Software Update with the Synthetic Oil to Mineral?

?

Is there a Sticker in the Spare Tyre Well showing that they did the Service Campaign Work.

& any note in the Service Book.?

[Dangerousdriver]

If you feel there is a DSG issue then raise a case with Skoda UK Customer Services.

 

VW / Skoda started the Service Campaign on the DQ200 because of the possible issues.

In other world regions they did a World Wide Recall. & in some World Regions extended the Warranty on the DQ200.

 

Original Manufacturers Warranty has nothing to do with it,

a Skoda Dealership did a Service Campaign when your car was in for a Service.

?

Did they ask you to sign to allow them to do it, or ask you to sign to say you were informed of the work and the choice to not have it done.

?

Do you know if they did a Software Update with the Synthetic Oil to Mineral?

?

Is there a Sticker in the Spare Tyre Well showing that they did the Service Campaign Work.

& any note in the Service Book.?

 

I'll contact Skoda UK on Monday and see if I can raise the issue with them.

 

I did not own the car at thefts service so I am not sure what was done in terms of software and oil etc. 

 

The service staff I spoke to today at my local dealers said the oil was changed at the last service but not sure if synthetic to mineral.

 

I will check the spare tyre wall in the morning and see what I can find.

 

What's the advantage of changing from synthetic to mineral? I read many using cheap oil instead of premium on other sites.

[Laars]

 

What's the advantage of changing from synthetic to mineral? I read many using cheap oil instead of premium on other sites.

 

We are talking about the gearbox oil now. In principle it doesn't need to changed, but Skoda issued a campaign for the oil to be changed, so it probably is somewhat important. 

 

Engine oil on other hand is a different question, some use cheap oils and maybe use fixed service interval. 

I would use quality oils anyhow. Mobil 1, Castrol etc. Price difference in minimal anyhow.

 

I have a very slight judder from my DSG from time to time. I'm not concerned about it. I have learnt when the car might judder and can pretty much 100% avoid it now at all times by adjusting the throttle.

Edited 13 June, 2015 by Laars

[Rooted]

Maybe best just not to consider Castrol Edge 5w 30 Full Synthetic (& Quantum III Long Life 5w 30) as a Quality Engine Oil when talking about a 1.4 TSI / TFSI 132-136 kw Twincharger.

It has not done many of them a favour as the past 5-6 years has shown.

 

Recommended by the Volkswagen Group and costing more does not make it actually better than oils that might cost less 

and do better for a Twincharger.