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Just found out my Fabia Greenline 1.2tdi is affected by the current emissions scandal, no mention of the 1.2tdi or fabia in the press, God knows how slow it's going to be after a "software update"!!??

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There was mention of 1.2, 1.6 and 2.0 litre Diesels in the Press Last week,

where they actually reported properly what was announced.

 

Happy days, it might be quicker after a re-map if that is what it gets.

& if it does not produce the power as the Figures that VW / Skoda published when you bought it, 

then have Skoda buy it back or replace it.

Expect it to meet the Emissions test in what ever country and the Minimum power, or maximum for the RPM 

as they tested in EU tests and Published figures, or they are responsible to ensure you got what you bought.

 

No need for the Worlds Biggest Car seller earlier this year to get away with cheap fixes.

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For the moment I believe the idea is to remove any 'defeat' element from within the software - this being the first stage. This does not necessarily mean or automatically degrade the outline performance that you achieve at present.. Consider that the point at issue is that when a testing device is used - then more advantageous read outs are obtained - when disconnected the performance is returned to 'normal'.

 

However, if the decision is made that they (VW) must comply entirely with the original published specs, this will promote a very interesting situation indeed, because in addition to performance (speed/power) there is the matter of MPG figures which are now clearly fraudulent!

 

For the moment it is really a case of wait and see. I do not believe there is a need for anyone to panic and join the prophets of doom at this stage.

No doubt many will join in the flack and negative comment brigade prior to any VW remedial action..... best wait and see :wonder: .

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Both our Fabia Greenline AND Octavia 4x4 came up as EA 189 engines with the 'defeat software'.

 

Particularly unhappy about having paid a premium for a supposed eco-model with above average mpg, only to discover the manufacturer has been cooking the books where the figures are concerned. (MPG has never been better than low-60s and nowhere near that which Skoda claims is possible).

 

Sign me up for any 'class action'.

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(MPG has never been better than low-60s and nowhere near that which Skoda claims is possible).

Sign me up for any 'class action'.

Theres 2 main differences between yours (or anybodys) actual and the manufacturers claims.

They test in a lab.. You drive in the real world.

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Just my little input, sorry not Greenline related

 

I had 2 Fabia 1.6 TDI's, a 75bhp and a 105bhp, both returned very similar figures on Fuelly over 35k, I know have an Audi A1 1.6 TDI 105bhp which is a tad lighter car and stop/start engine, returns 5mpg LESS than the Fabias did,

 

I brought this up at a few thousand miles with the dealer asking why the same engine was returning less when they claimed it should do far more, never got any further than a few road tests and "we can't do anything about it, it will improve with miles", well it hasn't, I knew it wouldn't because the others didnt, all bought new etc

 

So it will be interesting to see what happens with the fix and see if anything improves

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I watched a youtube video where they put a Jetta 2.0 CR140 on the rollers on a 4 wheel drive one to fool it into thinking it was on the road. The power output was bang on the money at 138bhp.

 

They then put it on a 2 wheel drive one and they noticed it dropped into some different mode after initially complaining about the difference in wheel speed. It got slightly less BHP at just over 130 I think.

 

So the issue is that they run will full power while driven normally then when they think they are being tested reduce the power slightly and change the mapping to get through the test.

 

From what I understand they will just be removing the part of the mapping where it detects it is being tested so that it runs as normal under testing. This will then increase the tested emissions and probably lower the quoted MPG figures but the real world on the road mapping/MPG/emissions will remain the same.

 

It still remains to be seen what they will actually do. Would be great if people can test their cars on a dyno before and after the recall. Hopefully someone will do that to give us all a indication as to what's happening.

 

You will always get under the quoted figures out of a car in the real world... having said that our car has a quoted average of 47mpg. We're doing 47.5. I can also get over 58 on a long motorway run which is more then the quoted extra urban figures.

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Theres 1 main difference between yours (or anybodys) actual and the manufacturers claims.

They test in a lab.. You drive in the real world.

I cant remember what i was going to say.

So theres that amended haha

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No place has it ever been said there was any connection between testing and the real world outside of a building.

Which is the point really.

(This years Marathon Mileage Challenge had large Diesel Jags & BMW's bettering Official Figures, and hypermilers do it often,

as do just careful drivers in the right conditions, it is not impossible with some cars to better EU Test figures.)

You might not with 3 passengers and luggage and the car at 'Revenue Weight', which is what they should be 

tested at out in the environment and several cars with all options fitted, and the worst figures being the official ones, 

not the best they can get.

 

http://skoda.co.uk/pages/fuel-consumption-statement.aspx

 

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No place has it ever been said there was any connection between testing and the real world outside of a building.

Which is the point really.

(This years Marathon Mileage Challenge had large Diesel Jags & BMW's bettering Official Figures, and hypermilers do it often,

as do just careful drivers in the right conditions, it is not impossible with some cars to better EU Test figures.)

You might not with 3 passengers and luggage and the car at 'Revenue Weight', which is what they should be

tested at out in the environment and several cars with all options fitted, and the worst figures being the official ones,

not the best they can get.

http://skoda.co.uk/pages/fuel-consumption-statement.aspx

The only time i can nudge the claimed combined mpg of 51mpg in the HTP is if i sit on a clear motorway with the cruise set at 70mph

But then its not a combined cycle anymore is it.. Haha

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I always thought that a vehicle was most efficient around the 50MPH mark.

 

I drive to work on B roads with very little stopping and if I drive around this value in the 1.2 TSI Fab, I get around 56MPG and in my 1.6 Focus I get about 47MPG.

 

If I were doing 70MPH, those figure would be lower.

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I always thought that a vehicle was most efficient around the 50MPH mark.

I drive to work on B roads with very little stopping and if I drive around this value in the 1.2 TSI Fab, I get around 56MPG and in my 1.6 Focus I get about 47MPG.

If I were doing 70MPH, those figure would be lower.

Maybe.

But 50mph roads are hilly and bendy around here.

And i get bored of doing 50 tbh haha.

Edit: sayin that. 50mph average speed on motorway is economy heaven.

But boring as feck.

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I used to go a lot faster on these roads myself but then I decided that I wasn't getting to work much quicker and it was costing me more money hence the driving like a grandad of late ;-)

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I used to go a lot faster on these roads myself but then I decided that I wasn't getting to work much quicker and it was costing me more money hence the driving like a grandad of late ;-)

But the bordam factor kicks in does it not?

I guess riding bikes before driving.. I just automatically look To make safe progress. Its just programmed in i think. I have to be really tired before i stop bothering.

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so question is,

 

IF they switch to a lower power / emission mode for testing / certification does this mean

  • real world emmissions may not be affected?
  • VW will suddenly have a fall in "official" mpg figures so they suddenly become achievable in the real world

or will vw have to alter the normal driving map as well leading to

  • lower mpg
  • less power
  • lots of court cases

 

I do wonder about the EU6 vehicles with ad blue, as when you look at the size of the ad blue tank on a lorry compared to the fuel tank, but on a car it is only a few litres and not topped up except I believe major services

 

that could possibly indicate it is not using the ad blue as often as it should?

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The question I would like to ask is: Will there be a legal requirement to get the remap done or will it on a voluntary basis?

 

I feel sorry for people with cars still under warranty as I'm sure they'll force you to upgrade, but for owners of older models you might get a choice?

 

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They might have to pay you your time to take your vehicle in for what they have to sort out.

Charge them the same hourly rate as they will be paying the place doing the Fix.

'They are not Making anyone do anything; they lied and cheated, and were caught, and admitted they did what so far they are admitting.

 

If they make changes because Governments Make them do it, then the vehicle should not perform any less well than the one you purchased.

 

Volkswagen are the people it is going to cost,. any losses customers make will be for them to recompense, 

in Other World Regions, not only in the US because people there have Laws that mean that VW will be 'made to assume the position'.

 

Likely nobody is worse off in the UK, 

and if you are, Bill them, sue them if they do not pay up and you get what you lost.

If you 'need to take a car in',  Tell them to Collect and deliver the Courtesy car if you do not want to be put out.'

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I've not received anything in the post from My dealer yet!!!..

 

But if the defeat is removed, and hence the emissions will go up when tested, would that put the car into Group B or even C for Vehicle Excise/Road Tax??? In short... will it actually cost me to TAX my car this year??

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