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Got my letter from skoda saying sorry etc etc. Now awaiting further action to get it fixed, the joy!

Anyone else had a letter through? I drive a 2009 CR170 LE.

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Got it a few weeks ago. Was speaking to the guys from a tuning shop recently. They said Bosch had a potential fix but it wasn't tested yet. Hopefully we will find out soon what the fix is and what else it screws up.

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The only thing is, they cheated for a reason, maybe too little time to develop engines properly to meet standards, or because performance they wanted wasn't possible without cheating, so I cant see what they could do whilst keeping customers happy or they would have done it when they designed the engines!

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The only thing is, they cheated for a reason, maybe too little time to develop engines properly to meet standards, or because performance they wanted wasn't possible without cheating, so I cant see what they could do whilst keeping customers happy or they would have done it when they designed the engines!

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Nothing to do with "keeping customers happy" and everything to do with keeping profits up.

 

The "fix" to enable emissions standards to be met fair and square obviously involved spending more on engine development/production than the bean-counters were happy with. If your profit margin is in danger of being significantly eroded then steps can and will be taken to address the issue, hence VW (and others no doubt) being willing to cut corners and cover up the truth of the matter.

 

When it comes to keeping people happy, shareholders, not customers, are the #1 priority in any business.

 

Now, I've got no real beef with VW about my Octavia for I purchased it for the simple reason that it was the cheapest diesel 4x4 estate on the market. The "fix" for the Octavia 1.6 CR TDI sounds like it'll be more than just removing the offending software from the EMU, but also replacing the fuel injectors, which will naturally effect fuel consumption and performance - so I may opt not to get the "fix" if it will prove to be more expensive for me at the pumps as a result.

 

The Fabia Greenline is a different kettle of fish however, for I paid a premium for a supposedly ulta-fuel efficient and economic version of the Fabia, plus its claimed 'green' credentials, which has turned out to be neither exceptionally economic nor 'greener' when compared to the standard diesel Fabia. As a result, I feel entitled to claim back the premium I paid for the Greenline as it is neither particularly economic when compared to the standard Fabia, and in the case of NO and now CO2 emissions, is far from being 'green'.

 

I won't hold my breath however...

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Now, I've got no real beef with VW about my Octavia for I purchased it for the simple reason that it was the cheapest diesel 4x4 estate on the market. The "fix" for the Octavia 1.6 CR TDI sounds like it'll be more than just removing the offending software from the EMU, but also replacing the fuel injectors, which will naturally effect fuel consumption and performance - so I may opt not to get the "fix" if it will prove to be more expensive for me at the pumps as a result.

 

Will it be an option "Not to get the fix"? I know a couple of guys that have had the DPF removed.
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Too much chasing after profits, pushing your employees to the limit with tighter costs and deadlines will eventually lead them to take short cuts.

Nah, this is mandated from very high up in VW I reckon, trying to break diesels into the US market...

Got my letter a few weeks ago, '10 vRS cr hatch. Hope the fix doesn't bugger it up!

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Surely the "fix" will be optional.

There are a couple of A3 drivers on another forum looking to rolling road etc their cars before and after. I will be watching those threads with interest!

Me too in that case!

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Got my letter yesterday, i also drive a 2009 VRS CR LE. Going to keep my eye on this and see where it goes re-loss of performance and MPG. Anyone know if this "Update" will be mandatory?

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Apparently not in the UK. There's another big thread on here somewhere which gives a lot of detail/ speculation.

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Had my letter a few weeks back ( 2012 1.6D) just before the MOT.

 

The tester said " look at this, however hard I try and rev the engine it will not go beyond 2000 revs during the emissions test, result 0 emissions!"

 

Interesting.

 

He also said that the dash board computers readout for mpg may not be all that accurate, just in the process of checking that.

 

Apart from the above, the car has been great getting from A to B without fuss. No problems whatsoever up to now but have just noticed  a small leak on one of the front Macpherson struts.

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Got my letter yesterday, i also drive a 2009 VRS CR LE. Going to keep my eye on this and see where it goes re-loss of performance and MPG. Anyone know if this "Update" will be mandatory?

 

another LE owner . got my letter yesterday agree with comment above 

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After checking in the Skoda Italy website a few weeks ago, this week I received their letter saying my 2012 1.6 TDI CR is due for a "software update" (no mention of hardware changes) but it won't be ready before 2016. They reassure me that my car is safe and blah, blah.

 

Now, I bought it 'cause I thought it was reasonably cheap, well fitted, comfortable, solid and spacious.

When I look at the fuel consumption info on the dash, I take them as an indicative reference, not as THE TRUTH (experience and calculation says my dashboard is about 10% optimistic). I always did so with ALL my vehicles.

 

Now I fear that the "software update" could seriously downgrade my car's performances for the sake of emissions. If I had a 2.0 140HP I wouldn't be too much concerned about maybe losing 5-10HP. But on a 105HP 1.6... Hmm...

Also, I'm afraid that in the future the cars which had NOT been "updated" could bear some sort of stigma, either official (Euro5 to Euro4 downgrading?) or unofficial (re-sale value drop).

 

I'm not going to the extent of dynoing it pre&post but I'm seriously re-considering a TDI chip after the "update" (although I'm still concerned about the torque limit of my DSG7).

 

Cheers.

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  • Latest press release from VW
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  • Next step in solving the NOx exhaust emissions issue in Europe
  • Minor hardware measures for the 1.6TDI engines
  • 2.0 TDI engines only need a software update
  • Target: no adverse effects on fuel consumption and performance
 
Wolfsburg, November 25, 2015 – The clarification and solution of the diesel issue is progressing. The Volkswagen Group has presented specific technical measures for the EA 189 engines affected with a displacement of 1.6 and 2.0 litres to the Federal Motor Transport Authority. This means that correction measures have been fixed for the majority of the vehicles affected. In the development of the solutions, the focus was on maximum customer-friendliness. After implementation of the technical measures, the vehicles will comply with the applicable emissions standards. The final technical solution for the 1.2-litre diesel engine will be presented to the Federal Motor Transport Authority at the end of the month and is expected to comprise a software update.
 
The technical measures developed for the EA 189 diesel engines affected have been presented to the Federal Motor Transport Authority. Following an intensive examination,  these measures have been ratified by the Federal Motor Transport Authority. This means that there is now clarity regarding the correction of the irregularities for the majority of vehicles affected.
 
  • A “flow transformer” will be fitted directly in front of the air mass sensor on the 1.6-litre EA 189 engine. This is a mesh that calms the swirled air flow in front of the air mass sensor and will thus decisively improve the measuring accuracy of the air mass sensor. The air mass sensor determines the current air mass throughput, which is a very important parameter for the engine management for an optimum combustion process. In addition, a software update will be performed on this engine. The time needed for the implementation of the technical measures is expected to be less than one hour.
  • The 2.0 litre engines will get a software update. The pure labour time for this measure will be around half an hour.
 
Thanks to advances in engine development and improved simulation of currents inside complex air intake systems, in combination with software optimisation geared towards this, it has been possible to produce a relatively simple and customer-friendly measure.
 
The objective for the development of the technical measures is still to achieve the applicable emission targets in each case without any adverse effects on the engine output, fuel consumption and performance. However, as all model variants first have to be measured, the achievement of these targets cannot yet be finally confirmed.
 
Based on these technical measures accepted by the Federal Motor Transport Authority, the necessary service concepts are currently being developed for the EU28 markets concerned. The aim is to implement the required technical update in the first vehicles during a recall from January 2016. According to the current assessment, all measures in the course of the recall for all engine variants will extend over the whole calendar year 2016.
 
Volkswagen will ensure that the time needed to implement the technical measures is as short as possible for all customers. In addition, Volkswagen will contact all customers and endeavour to consider individual customer needs during the implementation of these measures to avoid any disadvantages for the customer such as possible curbing of their mobility. In connection with this, the Volkswagen brand will thus ensure that all customers are offered appropriate replacement mobility options free of charge.
 
For example, since the beginning of October, all Volkswagen customers have been able to check for themselves whether their vehicle is affected by the diesel issue. At  www.volkswagen.de/info <http://www.volkswagen.de/info> every customer can enter their vehicle identification number to obtain clear information.
 
With these defined measures, technical solutions are already available for the majority of all Group models affected in Europe with EA 189 engines. At the end of this month, corresponding measures will be presented to the Federal Motor Transport Authority for the 1.2-litre 3-cylinder diesel engine as well.
 
Based on the approach of the Volkswagen brand, the Group's other brands – Audi, SEAT, ŠKODA and Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles – are also planning corresponding measures for their affected vehicles.
 
In addition, until 31 December 2016, Volkswagen AG is expressly forgoing the right to plea on the grounds of statutes of limitations in respect of any warranty or guarantee claims due to the software installed in vehicles with EA 189 engines, as long as the rights to make any such claims have not already expired. Volkswagen customers will therefore not be disadvantaged by any waiting.
 
One thing is certain: the vehicles remain technically safe and can therefore be driven on public roads without any limitation.
 
NB: The information in this press release does not refer to products and services from the Volkswagen Group of America or Volkswagen Canada.
 
 
Volkswagen Group Communications

Head of Group Communications

Hans-Gerd Bode

Tel.: +49 (0) 53 61 / 9 - 2 4319

www.volkswagen-media-services.com <http://www.volkswagen-media-services.com/>

www.volkswagenag.com <http://www.volkswagenag.com/>

 
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After checking in the Skoda Italy website a few weeks ago, this week I received their letter saying my 2012 1.6 TDI CR is due for a "software update" (no mention of hardware changes) but it won't be ready before 2016. They reassure me that my car is safe and blah, blah.

 

Now, I bought it 'cause I thought it was reasonably cheap, well fitted, comfortable, solid and spacious.

When I look at the fuel consumption info on the dash, I take them as an indicative reference, not as THE TRUTH (experience and calculation says my dashboard is about 10% optimistic). I always did so with ALL my vehicles.

 

Now I fear that the "software update" could seriously downgrade my car's performances for the sake of emissions. If I had a 2.0 140HP I wouldn't be too much concerned about maybe losing 5-10HP. But on a 105HP 1.6... Hmm...

Also, I'm afraid that in the future the cars which had NOT been "updated" could bear some sort of stigma, either official (Euro5 to Euro4 downgrading?) or unofficial (re-sale value drop).

 

 

I have the same 1.6 l engine, also in a 2012 car, and now feel much relieved after the latest details released on the 25th November in a video.

It seems that we will not have an injector change and new catalytic converter but only the addition of a plastic air flow straightener and new software. These straighteners are used on performance cars in the States to improve throttle response and perhaps improve power and economy a little.

 

Maybe we got off lightly. One commentator said that it can give a fuel saving but that less fuel equals less power.

 

Incidentally, this has now been approved by the authorities in Germany for VW to action. 

 

Here is the official VW video announcement:  

https://youtu.be/jKN8danpIfE

 

Just noticed the words spoken are the same as the text shown above in the post by Budgie

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Got mine about a month ago Octavia 1.6  2011. I have also noticed that on looking at changing it for a Superb 2ltr at my Skoda dealer yesterday the details for the cars had small print saying that after purchase the VED price may change!!!!

Now I don't know what to do, at least if I hang on to my Octavia if there is compo to be paid regarding road Tax I will be in with a chance to get it covered, but if I swop cars knowing the situation I will get nothing towards a tax increase. What do you think?  

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