Can XDS be enabled on a 1.2TSi with HHC?

[Nathanio]

I know it can be done on a vRS but is it down to the pump model or is there more to it? We have a 1.2TSi 105 with HHC and was wondering if I could enable XDS?

 

Current pump and coding:

 

Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels: 6R0-907-37x-ESP82.clb

   Part No SW: 6R0 907 379 AA    HW: 6R0 907 379 AF

   Component: ESP8.2i front H05 0003  

   Revision: --------    

   Coding: 430144DB216F00B7C22B22E584D600801200

   Shop #: WSC 13765 790 00051

   VCID: 7DF19E9FE07AD3D61A-8028

 

No fault code found.

[Rooted]

No idea if you can enable it and why you would want to, 

i like to get it disabled on a vRS.

If you were going on track it shuts its self down anyway when the brake system gets too hot.

[Nathanio]

No idea if you can enable it and why you would want to, 

i like to get it disabled on a vRS.

If you were going on track it shuts its self down anyway when the brake system gets too hot.

 

Why not?

 

I don't think we have any worries about our Fabia heading to a track anytime soon. I can always switch on and off as I have VCDS. Interesting to try it and see really.

[Rooted]

Let us know if you get it working.

Then let us know if you notice any difference at UK NSL's if you have it enabled.

[fabiamk2SE]

Whats the point?

No end of threads of VRS owners wanting to turn it off

Besides. Its only 105bhp. So not exactly a wild beast that needs taming .

Edited 5 February, 2016 by fabiamk2SE

[aholloway21]

Not sure I agree with this one, but each to their own.

XDS isn't a bad system at all, it's not a mechanical lsd, but it's not terrible.

On track, yes I would turn it off otherwise brake fade would be a pig after a few minutes. But on road why the hell wouldn't you want it on in a car that lives to under steer? XDS isn't an esp "you can't have any fun" system. Personally, I'll take any help the car wants to give me at trimming my line on a vigorous drive.

I guarantee if the car was running a proper mechanical diff, no one would be screaming to get rid of it. They both do the same thing, just in a different way and to a different degree.

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[Rooted]

Odd that the vRS hatch got it, and then Skoda put 25kg weights on the rear crash bar and made the front light, and traction worse than the estate has with decent stronger rear springs.

 

At least with the XDS you can try it with different settings, or off depending on what model you have, 

then you can see how it behaves when you have different tyres, suspension, brakes etc on. and the cars balance changed with rear weights on or off.   Understeer, oversteer etc.

 

The newer Polo GTI / Ibiza Cupra gets a XDS+ to let the driver feel the differences easier without needing to plug into the OBD2 port.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/227295-who-needs-a-lsd

 

This is not showing XDS, but the XDS+

Edited 5 February, 2016 by GoneOffskiroottoot

[aholloway21]

Agreed. I'm trying to find someone at the moment with vcds local to me so I can fiddle a bit.

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[fabiamk2SE]

Not sure I agree with this one, but each to their own.

XDS isn't a bad system at all, it's not a mechanical lsd, but it's not terrible.

On track, yes I would turn it off otherwise brake fade would be a pig after a few minutes. But on road why the hell wouldn't you want it on in a car that lives to under steer? XDS isn't an esp "you can't have any fun" system. Personally, I'll take any help the car wants to give me at trimming my line on a vigorous drive.

I guarantee if the car was running a proper mechanical diff, no one would be screaming to get rid of it. They both do the same thing, just in a different way and to a different degree.

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Not saying its a bad system. Just that the vrs is 180ps with a shed load more torque than a 105ps 1.2.

There has to be a certain finesse in driving, not just mash your foot to the floor and let the computer sort it. Its only 105ps anyway, so its not difficult to control, is it.

Edited 5 February, 2016 by fabiamk2SE

[aholloway21]

Power output (in respects to xds) makes no difference when trimming a line. You can enter a corner at 100mph in both cars if you wanted to. Both cars would cause the inside wheel to unload and spin power regardless. Xds stops this by applying the brake to stop it spinning and improve understear/ traction.

I get where you are going with it. And the thinking is kind of on track. Systems like this don't normally come on lesser powered cars because manufacturers are pitching them in market to people that wouldn't push their car to the point of needing it, is also bumps up the cost of lower spec models. But, with that said. Any car, even a 60hp 1l can technically benefit from an electric lsd.

This is all my opinion though, others would disagree

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Edited 5 February, 2016 by aholloway21

[Rooted]

Problem is, you know a road, you know the corners, in all seasons, the tyres the grip, you are in an automatic, 

you are driving in a spirited manner, within safe limits.

You use the throttle, the brakes or gears as you want. If you have a Mechanical LSD or Locker etc you know how it is set and works.

 

XDS & even XDS+ it can all be a mystery, it does something one time to 'nip' the brakes, and another time it does not.

It is why many want 'Off' to be 'Off' not electronics deciding if your inside wheel is away to be slowed or not.

 

Every Day driving then it can be a good thing, so can Traction Control & ESP's but then you might choose to put Traction Control off, 

because it can kill power from the engine to stop or try to control wheel spin.

There is so much going on, the DSG pleasing its self sometimes, the brakes.

All was decided by very brainy people with Decades of Experience and Motorsport Success, 

then they put 25kg Success Ballast at the rear nearside Crash Bar.

VORSPRUNG DURCH TECHNIK.

Keep them safe, it is for their own good.

[aholloway21]

VORSPRUNG DURCH TECHNIK.

Keep them safe, it is for their own good.

That did make me chuckle [emoji106]

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[Rooted]

?

Has anyone with a Fabia Hatch of 1.2 tsi or 1.6 TDI ever upgraded the power, uprated the suspension, Coilovers or Springs / dampers,

Bushes, Engine Mounts, put better brakes on, activated XDS, 

then thought what i really need is lets add 25KG to the rear crash bar.

(plenty of these weights sitting around if anyone wants them.)

[aholloway21]

Btw sorry to the original poster for slightly derailing this thread. To your question though I have no idea if you can enable it in yours, sorry.

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[Rooted]

^^^^^ Yes sorry.

& if you can enable it,

be sure to put in a Spare wheel and add the 'safety' weights making the front end go light under acceleration,

it is what VW wanted in Wolfsburg for your own good.

[fabiamk2SE]

still not following a great deal, sorry. 

 

I've a fair idea when the front end on my car is going to start losing grip, so i play up to it sometimes and even in a slow car it can be a little bit of a giggle. 

 

Why would you want some computer kicking in and making it do things that it wouldn't normally? 

 

The thing that makes my car stray off line at 100mph (when it eventually got there) isn't wheelspin.. its just lack of grip in the front wheels so it would slide wide, understeer. 

 

a 105ps isn't going to have much poke that speed either mind. 

 

Id still rather control my car.. errmm.. myself  

[Rooted]

The theory is that as you are tight in a corner that it stops the inside tyre spinning and you power out of that corner.

Assuming you have a better tyre on than the pure rubbish that they come with from the factory, 

and assuming you are not in that tight bend or the next one with a overheated braking system and the XDS disabled.

 

Then in the area you live if you are driving in a spirited manner you do not unload the weight too much on a yump, 

than go into a corner, or maybe make a manoeuver that you would prefer that a brake was not being nipped.

 

Sometimes you can feel the benefit,

and sometimes it is a PITA. only IMO obviously.

[aholloway21]

The thing that makes my car stray off line at 100mph (when it eventually got there) isn't wheelspin.. its just lack of grip in the front wheels so it would slide wide]

You were bang on with this^^ but your thinking of the two as separate issues.

When you unload your inside wheel, that's what causes loss of mechanical grip. The wheel spins faster and causes understeer because you are loosing x amount of grip from one of 4 corners.

The system isn't some esp wizardry stopping you having any input. It purely stops that wheel spinning to increase your mechanical grip.

As the vrs has very little aero grip, you need every bit of help with it.

I understand to a certain extent the argument for a "purist" drive. But the fact remains that systems like this make cars faster, safer and are unobtrusive to the point that 99% of drivers don't realise it's actually doing anything (when in fact they are doing a fair bit).

People have a habit of lumping them in with obtrusive esp systems are thinking they are one and the same.

If at any point you have felt the car stop you from doing something, that's not xds, that's your esp.

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[Rooted]

The ESP can be Disabled !!, 

but that is another Can of Worms, not worth opening!! and not something anyone will be doing on the Public Highway.

(There is a thread on it if you want to do a search though.)

[Nathanio]

Not sure why people think I need to justify my question.

I'd just like to know so that I can see if it makes any difference.

So does anybody know?

[fabiamk2SE]

Not sure why people think I need to justify my question.

I'd just like to know so that I can see if it makes any difference.

So does anybody know?

Was just interested in different viewpoints.

Sorry for asking (:

[Nathanio]

Was just interested in different viewpoints.

Sorry for asking (:

 

But instead of asking that, you just rubbished my question "Whats the point?" and "Besides. Its only 105bhp. So not exactly a wild beast that needs taming". 

 

The advantages of XDS and LSDs don't have to be about power management. They can be used on more modest motors to help with quelling understeer mid corner. I know a Fabia estate isn't the sweetest of handling things; but if I can make it that little bit better for free, I will.  

To answer my own question and anyone else who may come looking in the future the answer is: no. I finally got to check with VCDS and there is no option for XDS on her ABS pump label. 

 

[fabiamk2SE]

But instead of asking that, you just rubbished my question "Whats the point?" and "Besides. Its only 105bhp. So not exactly a wild beast that needs taming".

The advantages of XDS and LSDs don't have to be about power management. They can be used on more modest motors to help with quelling understeer mid corner. I know a Fabia estate isn't the sweetest of handling things; but if I can make it that little bit better for free, I will.

To answer my own question and anyone else who may come looking in the future the answer is: no. I finally got to check with VCDS and there is no option for XDS on her ABS pump label.

LOL.