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Why would you wait to Remap your car?

 

If you keep it as is and do not get the Fix then you likely have a Manufacturers Warranty if you follow the Manufacturers Warranty T&C's.

If you have 'The Fix' if ever it happens, then you will certainly have a 'Warranty' because they have tried to sort their cheat.

 

If you get a Re-map then you lose the 'Manufacturers Warranty' on the Engine due to 'Non Factory Approved Engine Management', 

but you have the car as you want it.

 

Actually, the Defeat Device as on the car now is supposedly 'Non Factory Approved' according to the VW Group, 

so maybe you can say that your Remap is no different from their 'Cheat' so you still have Warranty Cover.

 

If Skoda, VW, Seat, Audi chance their arm, just do the same.

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I have a feeling that they cant fix the problem without changing performance/ mpg.

The last letter I had from Skoda UK says the "aim is that there will be no change to the engine output, fuel consumption or performance data already published for your vehicle". Still no news on when though. I had the Yeti serviced on Thursday and there was no mention of the fix, so I presume it's quite a way off.

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The Volkswagen Group knew exactly what they wanted to do, and were going to in Australia, New Zealand and Germany, 

but then 'they could not be trusted' with their Tests and results.

 

So all stop, 'The Fix' being tested by Independent Testers, 'The Fix' has no approval even from the German Authorities, 

so from September 2015 to June 2016 all they get is agreements for the United States, 

and lots of hype in the Media on winning back trust, sales catching up, new Battery Cars, 40th Edition Golfs, 

Clubsport S Track records etc etc.

 

Same old from VW, 3 monkeys, treat them like mushrooms and still pay bonuses to the bosses.

Any car this June is the same as it was last June and whats wrong with that.

Do the crime, pay or not pay the fine, move on now, nothing to see here.

VORSPRUNG DURCH TECHNIK

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My last letter from Skoda was April and there seems to be nothing organised for the immediate future. Interestingly I was talking to a friend who's son had tried to PX an Audi at a Jag dealers. They would not take his car in PX and said until VW Group had sorted an agreed fix for their cars they would not be touching them. 

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We just traded a seat altea xl for a Leon x-perience 4x4 2.0. Had the altea valued last year and was offered £5k and then 6 months later they gave us £5.7k...... I think they are maybe trying to quietly buy some owners out of the problem..

Got a £14k discount on the Leon as well. Me thinks Seat have suffered more than vw or skoda.

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Online today on Automobile New Europe: "VW's European recall takes longer as only 50,000 cars fixed"

 

Fred Kappler (VW Exec who has been a Skoda board member for sales and marketing) "said on Tuesday during an earnings call 'The majority of the 8.5 million cars could be repaired this year but an unknown number of vehicles would not be fixed until next year', he said."

 

...."noting that the KBA had so far approved fixes for the VW Golf, Audi A4 and A5 models." ...."We are quite optimistic about getting approval (for other models) in coming weeks," Kappler said, without elaborating.

 

SO - the only thing DEFINITE here is that only 50,000 have been fixed and its just smoke and mirrors still when it comes to our cars.

 

Original article here:  http://europe.autonews.com/article/20160531/ANE/160539983/vws-european-recall-takes-longer-as-only-50000-cars-fixed

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Received today from Slater and Gordon Solicitors:

Good Afternoon,

VW have confirmed that just 50,000 diesel cars in Europe have been fixed so far out of a total of 8.5m affected (which is only 0.5%). The numbers of cars in the UK which have been fixed is unclear, but assuming it’s at the same rate as wider Europe, we estimate that number to be only 6,000.

It is clear that VW will not fulfil their promise of having all cars fixed during the course of 2016, meaning that a lot of VW owners will need to wait until 2017 to have their cars corrected.

So far the KBA, the German motor regulator, has approved the fixes for the VW Golf and Amarok as well as the Audi A4 and A5.

The current hold up is due to apparent difficulties with the KBA in approving the fix for the 2.0 litre VW Passat which is having knock on effects to other models.

We shall keep you updated as to the progress of the recalls once we have further information.

Kind regards,

Jacqueline Young

Head of Group Litigation

Slater and Gordon

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REUTERS: Volkswagen delays recall of 160,000 cars due to software glitch

 

""We have to go back to work on the software again," he said, adding 160,000 Passat and Skoda Superb cars were affected."

 

"Volkswagen will slightly delay the recall of 160,000 Passat and Skoda cars in Europe after software updates aimed at fixing emission violations failed to work, it said on Monday."

 

These comments relate to the 2.0 litre diesel. So, don't worry lads - just another software glitch!   :drunk:

 

Original article here: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-volkswagen-emission-idUSKCN0X8272

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Traded my 2010 elegance 170 manual in 128,000 miles £5000 happy with that. 2014 170 DSG still affected and will need the fix road tax down from £185 to £130 happy with that. Await new letter for the 2014 I'll put it with the other four for the old one.

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Just hope VW group has a better attempt at recall/modfication than Whirlpool group.                                                                          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/tumble-dryer-scandal-now-whirlpool-charging-99-for-faulty-replac/

 

 

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Now I'm no software expert, nor do I know exactly how VAG fiddled the software, but . . .  My understanding from what we officially know is that there is some dodgy software which, when the vehicle 'thinks' it is in a laboratory testing environment, switches in and creates test figures which cannot be met when used on the road. So there are two issues VAG need to resolve:

 

1: VAG cars post 'fix' in the lab environment are likely to record worse emissions figures as the dodgy 'lab software' is deleted from the cars; and

2: On the road, as the 'lab software' bit of code was never activated, the performance and emission figures etc. should be the same.

 

For VAG to say they can't fix Passat's for example, implies they are trying to achieve the same, old, 'lab' figures in the lab environment, with the modified software. This would mean that the fix would affect how the cars perform at all times (no 'cheat' software, same used on road and in lab). In other words, meet the original emissions figures (lab figures) by changing all the software, and at the same time retain the original (on road) performance.

 

If it were me I would just delete the dodgy bit of code and hey presto, job done, however the 'official' emissions and consumption figures would be worse (but actually closer if not identical to what users were getting anyway). This may not be acceptable to regulators however and would be a customer relations nightmare (but arguably no worse than what it is today!)

 

I am very dubious about what the fix VAG are planning actually is. If they want to retain the lab test figures (politically expedient), then they will almost inevitably affect how the car performs on the road. So I am not going to be the first to have fix done to either of my two affected cars! If it was an easy deletion of the dodgy code, it would be done by now.

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Now I'm no software expert, nor do I know exactly how VAG fiddled the software, but . . .  My understanding from what we officially know is that there is some dodgy software which, when the vehicle 'thinks' it is in a laboratory testing environment, switches in and creates test figures which cannot be met when used on the road. So there are two issues VAG need to resolve:

 

1: VAG cars post 'fix' in the lab environment are likely to record worse emissions figures as the dodgy 'lab software' is deleted from the cars; and

2: On the road, as the 'lab software' bit of code was never activated, the performance and emission figures etc. should be the same.

 

For VAG to say they can't fix Passat's for example, implies they are trying to achieve the same, old, 'lab' figures in the lab environment, with the modified software. This would mean that the fix would affect how the cars perform at all times (no 'cheat' software, same used on road and in lab). In other words, meet the original emissions figures (lab figures) by changing all the software, and at the same time retain the original (on road) performance.

 

If it were me I would just delete the dodgy bit of code and hey presto, job done, however the 'official' emissions and consumption figures would be worse (but actually closer if not identical to what users were getting anyway). This may not be acceptable to regulators however and would be a customer relations nightmare (but arguably no worse than what it is today!)

 

I am very dubious about what the fix VAG are planning actually is. If they want to retain the lab test figures (politically expedient), then they will almost inevitably affect how the car performs on the road. So I am not going to be the first to have fix done to either of my two affected cars! If it was an easy deletion of the dodgy code, it would be done by now.

 

The issue is that when the car is not running in 'test' mode, the NOx emissions levels are above the legal limit. The simple solution would be to force the car to run in emissions compliant mode all the time, but that would likely have a significant effect on performance/economy.

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Both our cars are 1.6 engines. I cant see how the fix will work without any effect. If they want to buy them both back off me they are more than welcome.

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