Suitable Candidate 1.6 CR TDI?

[Octy0GG]

Looking to make a change from my MK 2 1.9 PD.

Considering (amongst other things)  1.6 CR.

 

The great thing about the 1.9 PD was of course no DPF. 

Aware that with a newer diesel this can't be avoided, which could make short journeys a problem.

 

Aware also of the conventional wisdom of:

High miles, long journeys, storming along the motorway- get a diesel.

Low miles, short start/stop journeys - get a petrol.

 

My typical use does not slot neatly into either of these: Daily commute 5 miles each way mostly country roads 50 - 60 mph a wee bit of 30 mph at each end, very unlikely to end up sitting in traffic. Hardly ever near city's or motorways so longer runs also usually 60 mph. Typical yearly miles 16000 -17000  (why do insurance companies seem to think this is colossal)

 

1.9 PD coped fine with this but just wondering how 1.6 CR would - or more specifically how DPF would cope.

 

Thanks

 

 

[Gerrycan]

You are obviously doing a lot more regular and longer runs than your daily commute to get that sort of annual mileage. I would not have thought the dpf was going to be a problem for you.

Edited 29 June, 2016 by Gerrycan

[SurreyJohn]

You are clearly doing many longer journeys to get to that mileage, but how frequent are they?

I don't think your commute is enough for a DPF regen, need about 15 mins (longer in winter) for engine to be warm enough for regen to start, then similar time again. Works better when stationary in traffic not when you have cold air blasting past, as that might cause regen to take much longer.

If you are making mileage up with small number of very long journeys then expect DPF problems in between.

Try the petrol, 1.4tsi is good, We have a 1.2 tsi in a roomster (with DSG) and surprisingly good (Octavia isn't much heavier), not experienced the new 1.0 tsi but there is a thread on it.

Edited 29 June, 2016 by SurreyJohn

[Gerrycan]

I went from 1.9D to 1.4tsi and got much more performance and only slightly down on economy averaging  0.8L/100 less overall. Initial purchase prices was much lower here in Australia for 1.4tsi than 2.0D Mk3 which are the only diesels offered.

Both were manual estates.

But basically what SurrreyJohn said

[Gabbo]

I think you will be perfectly fine with the 1.6 diesel. (DPF technology has come a long way in the last 15 years.)

 

Yes, your commute is short but if you cover >15k miles a year you are obviously doing some longer runs so this is where your DPF can regenerate.

There's nobody on the forum who reported DPF problems, warnings or costly repairs so far when doing short journeys.

 

 

However, I think it would also be worth to check out the 1.4 TSI even with your mileage.

Small turbo charged petrol engines suprise many people with how powerful they are & the economy they can deliver when driven normally.

 

You'd probably have similar performance to the 1.6d & whilst the fuel ecomony wont be quite as good as the 1.6, it will be pretty good as its a small petrol engine & some say the petrol engine (being smoother) is more suited to the DSG box.

Edited 29 June, 2016 by Gabbo

[BA Baracus]

I think possible diesel emission scandals are more of a worry than DPF issues...

[Dave1w]

I'm getting in average 50 mpg from my 1.4TSI and that's on similar short commute runs to you. Longer runs, 55. I tested a 1.6 and found it pretty noisy, and frankly it doesn't have to power of the 1.4 petrol

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[philhoward]

50mpg is quite feasible for the 1.4TSi (certainly with the DSG - it really is a great combination) - and won't drop as much as the diesel MPG figures in winter, especially with your short commute where the diesel will take a long time to reach temperature (the petrols come up to temp very quick).  I think you'll find the petrols may have the overall economy advantage with only a 5 mile journey.

[AlleyCat`]

I had the 1.9 PD engine in a passat between 2003 and 2007.

Solid but a noisy thing.

After that i've been through various VAG models with DPF and never had an issue.

 

This particular go around I intended to get a 1.4 petrol but finding one mated to a DSG at an appropriate price (nearly new) just didn't come off.

 

On that basis i ended up with a 1.6 diesel as it was easier to find / negotiate against.

As it turns out it's been fine which, if i'm honest, i fully expected it to be.

 

I didn't have a problem with a Yeti running the same engine previously (manual box) and DPF technology has evolved since then.

Compared to the 1.9PD it's a much quieter engine (although not as quiet as a petrol).

 

I do a lot of short journeys in mine, below 10 miles, without any sort of issue at all. Sometimes there is traffic, other times not (depends when i start work).

 

I do tend to run it out a couple of times a weeks on a country road so it probably helps but even when it does a regen it seems to cause little to no issues - other than the fan running on.

I do less than the "expected" miles for the diesel / petrol trade off to make sense but because the price was keen it worked out cheaper.

 

Personally i think you'd be fine with either although it does depend somewhat on driving style.

[Gerrycan]

I would highly recommend that you get test drives in your short list, which at this stage is actually quite extensive with possibilities of either the 1.6crd, 1.0tsi, 1.2tsi and 1.4tsi

Extrapolating from others post I think you will find similar performances (0-62mph dash) for the 1.9pd and 1.6crd at about 11.5 seconds (apparently the 1.6 prefers more revs than the 1.9 did), 1.0tsi and 1.2tsi would be closer to 10 seconds and the 1.4tsi down between 8.8 and 8.1 seconds depending on which power/torque variant you get.

In my (very biased) opinion the 1.4tsi offers the goldilocks point regarding performance and economy potential. It pulls like a train from low revs and has a broader torque range than the 1.6crd diesel seems to offer.

when I bought the 1.9pd in 2008 I swore I would never drive another petrol engine again as I thought it was so good, until I test drove the 1.4tsi. Even the wife swore out loud on her test drive when she applied a bit of throttle to merge with heavy traffic (as you had to with the 1.9pd) and it took off like a scalded cat. That was funny.

[Octy0GG]

Yes I am considering the 1.4 TSI. Infact an Octavia 3 1.4 TSI Elegance would be close to the top of my wish list (Given that the DB4 GT Zagato is on hold for the time being) only problem is it would be stretching the finances a bit far, particularly as this variant does not appear to be conforming to the petrol having lower residuals than diesels rule.

 

Not be immune to the charms of the Octy 2 1.8TSI - almost as fast as the VRS but more comfortable and less 'in your face' aesthetics. But while the power and performance of the 1.8 is clear, I am less clear about it's long term reliability. 

 

Still open to a lot of options, only thing I a 100% set on, regardless of make or model, is (and I know this will offend some) must be manual gearbox.

[Gerrycan]

Not driven the 1.8tsi but I am not quite sure what the message is in the Mk3 guise in terms of its sophisticated engineering but relatively low power outputs.

Here the 1.8tsi is only offered for an Elegance type vehicle with DSG only, multi-link rear and lots of added bits. The problem is the DSG was the 7 speed dry version so the 1.8 output was also limited to 250Nm, the same as my 1.4tsi, although it had more power at the top end.

It is a cut down vRS engine having the impressive double injection (port and direct) system but is ostensibly in the lowest state of tune of the Skoda tsi engines, by BMEP ratings anyway. I have even read somewhere it is possible to run it on 91 Octane (popular here) if you really have to, although not advisable long-term.

The same 1.8tsi engine in the Scout versions (available here but not in the UK) produce 280Nm and have the much stronger and reliable 6 speed DSG (no manual)

 

I'm with you on manual gearbox preference which makes me (and the wife) a little odd here in Aus where over 80% of passenger vehicles sold in all categories are automatics of the various kinds now available.

 

Thinking further about it then depending on the road conditions in your area then you may want to focus more about the suspension fitted than the engine.

My old 1.9pd estate had 15 inch wheels and multi-link rear and predictably handled choppy and badly corrugated off-road surfaces far better than the current mk3 with torsion bar and 17 inch fitted. The latter is fine on average to good roads though.

vRS have multi-link but some complain it is too stiff for them.

Maybe a Scout is the answer? I hear you sometimes get snow up there and 4wd could be an advantage then.

Edited 30 June, 2016 by Gerrycan

[Octy0GG]

 

My old 1.9pd estate had 15 inch wheels and multi-link rear and predictably handled choppy and badly corrugated off-road surfaces far better than the current mk3 with torsion bar and 17 inch fitted. 

Yes always thought it incredible how VAG group managed to get away with quietly slipping in this suspension downgrade.