Latest series of terrorist attacks

[Clunkclick]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36892785

 

Can anyone tell me why the West is still "Soft-pedalling" with this issue ?

 

Nick

[gadgetman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36892785

Can anyone tell me why the West is still "Soft-pedalling" with this issue ?

Nick

because people like Corbyn won't let Parliament sanction action

[Rooted]

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What actions are you suggesting.

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Can NATO, UN, EU or anyone stop those that are financing IS and others, State-sponsored terrorism, Saudi Arabians as an example,

or can they now deal with the nutters out there that are just going to increase the amount of copy cat acts?

[Clunkclick]

There comes a point  where  the social and political priorities, particularly protecting your native population, must overcome the international relation and economic concerns- surely we are there already ?

 

Its grossly unfair that ordinary people in Europe should be held to ransom in this way because of a change in allegiances and the balance of power in a region 6000 miles away.

 

Somebody, ideally the Americans, backed-up by us and the French need to send a very clear message to the Suni's/Saudis.

 

May I suggest flattening Raqqa and Mosul as an opening gambit - a couple of wings of '52's should do it, together with a strong suggestion that the Saudi capital is next.

 

They are bloody animals and belong in a zoo for abberant, retard species.

 

Nick

 

 

[trundlenut]

There comes a point where the social and political priorities, particularly protecting your native population, must overcome the international relation and economic concerns- surely we are there already ?

Its grossly unfair that ordinary people in Europe should be held to ransom in this way because of a change in allegiances and the balance of power in a region 6000 miles away.

Somebody, ideally the Americans, backed-up by us and the French need to send a very clear message to the Suni's/Saudis.

May I suggest flattening Raqqa and Mosul as an opening gambit - a couple of wings of '52's should do it, together with a strong suggestion that the Saudi capital is next.

They are bloody animals and belong in a zoo for abberant, retard species.

Nick

Given the overwhelming success of military action so far, that has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever.

[Clunkclick]

Given the overwhelming success of military action so far, that has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever.

You may have noticed that you're not dealing with sentient geniuses here - dumb works.

 

Regrettable as it was, it worked in Gaza. 

 

Similarly, it worked against Germany and Japan in WW2.

 

And most commentators on the web think it would yield far better results than Vietnanm where the terrain and popular support for the  insurgents were differently disposed.

 

Again, as a starter, to safeguard the population over here, I'd arrest and contain all the knobs on the various watch lists (including returnes from Jihad (wherever)) with a view to deport as many as possible. They are enemy aliens of antagonistic state.

 

It was reported that on BBC that the French have 3,000 suspects on their local security police  (BRI ?)database alone, let alone the really naughty ones on the central databases - too many to handle properly.

 

I'm sure this will only escalate if we keep on giving the incidents a "Stiff ignoring".

 

Better a Middle East carpet bombing today than a dirty bomb in a European capital tomorrow.

 

 

Nick

Edited 26 July, 2016 by Clunkclick

[trundlenut]

You may have noticed that you're not dealing with sentient geniuses here - dumb works.

Regrettable as it was, it worked in Gaza.

Similarly, it worked against Germany. in WW2.

And most commentators on the web think it would yield far better results than Vietnanm where the terrain and popular support for the insurgents were differently disposed.

Again, as a starter, to safeguard the population over here, I'd arrest and contain all the knobs on the various watch lists (including returnes from Jihad (wherever)) with a view to deport as many as possible. They are enemy aliens of antagonistic state.

It was reported that on BBC that the French have 3,000 suspects on their local security police (BRI ?)database alone, let alone the really naughty ones on the central databases - too many to handle properly.

I'm sure this will only escalate if we keep on giving the incidents a "Stiff ignoring".

Better a Middle East carpet bombing today than a dirty bomb in a European capital tomorrow.

Nick

Really?

Did it work in Gaza? No.

Did bombing end WWII? No.

Would killing a few thousand people in the middle east stop terrorist attacks in Europe? NO IT BLOODY WELL WON'T.

[Clunkclick]

Really?

Did it work in Gaza? No.

Did bombing end WWII? No.

Would killing a few thousand people in the middle east stop terrorist attacks in Europe? NO IT BLOODY WELL WON'T.

Your talking rubbish -  If you know your history, systematic carpet + early precision bombing brought Germany and Japan to their knees. If you are in any doubt, look at the US Airforce's post-war strategic bombing survey document. Government, Infrastruture. Industry and utilities, all completely destroyed and disrupted. If it hadn't had been for the forces of occupation both of those countries would have been back in the Stone Age post war.

 

So, if you are a country who is allowing terrorism to be financed and organised from your domain,  and your faced with the prospect of a proper campaign of strategic bombing (Not the wussy "Shock and Awe" precision stuff we've recently seen) , if you don't mend your ways, then you'll probably decide to change your stance. If you didn't you'd be back in the pre-history.

 

Either way, problem solved.

 

Nick

[trundlenut]

Your talking rubbish - If you know your history, systematic carpet + early precision bombing brought Germany and Japan to their knees. If you are in any doubt, look at the US Airforce's post-war strategic bombing survey document. Government, Infrastruture. Industry and utilities, all completely destroyed and disrupted. If it hadn't had been for the forces of occupation both of those countries would have been back in the Stone Age post war.

So, if you are a country who is allowing terrorism to be financed and organised from your domain, and your faced with the prospect of a proper campaign of strategic bombing (Not the wussy "Shock and Awe" precision stuff we've recently seen) , if you don't mend your ways, then you'll probably decide to change your stance. If you didn't you'd be back in the pre-history.

Either way, problem solved.

Nick

I think you might be missing a few little bits out there in terms of what happened during WWII.

Do you really think we can bomb terrorism away?

[@Lee]

I think you might be missing a few little bits out there in terms of what happened during WWII.

Do you really think we can bomb terrorism away?

feck yeah!

 

[LHVRS]

 So, if you are a country who is allowing terrorism to be financed and organised from your domain,  and your faced with the prospect of a proper campaign of strategic bombing (Not the wussy "Shock and Awe" precision stuff we've recently seen) , if you don't mend your ways, then you'll probably decide to change your stance. If you didn't you'd be back in the pre-history.

 

Either way, problem solved.

 

Nick 

 

Terror is terror, whats makes you any better then isis suggesting we start bombing innocent people, normal civilians, mums, dads, hardworking people. Its thinking like that that's got us where we are now.

 

Lets start bombing France and Germany, they seem to have a large amount of isis cells in their country, where does it end 

Edited 26 July, 2016 by LHVRS

[Clunkclick]

I think you might be missing a few little bits out there in terms of what happened during WWII.

Do you really think we can bomb terrorism away?

What's missing ? Like one B-29 fire bomb raid taking out 15 square miles of Tokyo in one night ?

 

Degradation of capability  to wage war is what it was all about in the latter stages of WW2 and is more so today.

 

Whether its getting people to fight the wrong battles, at the wrong time, with the wrong balance of forces, at the wrong place using disinformation, subversion and intelligence techniques, or deep striking capability to wage war by destroying and disrupting leadership, planning, logistics, training, manufacturing,

 

Even though the warfare being waged is so-called asymmetrical and doesn't meet the Western criteria for war  to be declared, the other side clearly think they are waging war - that would be good enough for me to retaliate in "Total War" terms.

 

In that context, as we have already seen,  aerial bombing is making a substantial contribution in reducing the already established capability on the ground  (otherwise there wouldn't be this recent rash of attacks in Europe) and the threat of using it against against the leadership lodging in other Middle East countries, I  believe, would bring things to a conclusion even quicker (Cut the head off the chicken).

 

Perhaps a start could be made on taking out some Saudi oil terminals and refineries - they are in dire economic straits at the moment, due to the depressed oil price. Stick the knife in, that's exactly what they are doing - they've got no moral qualms about  doing it to us. This ain't the life and times of colonel Blimp !

 

You don't think it works - it does, unfortunately. As Bomber Harris demonstrated, it will work.

 

 

 

Nick

Edited 26 July, 2016 by Clunkclick

[trundlenut]

What's missing ? Like one B-29 fire bomb raid taking out 15 square miles of Tokyo in one night ?

Degradation of capability to wage war is what it was all about in the latter stages of WW2 and is more so today.

Whether its getting people to fight the wrong battles, at the wrong time, with the wrong balance of forces, at the wrong place using disinformation, subversion and intelligence techniques, or deep striking capability to wage war by destroying and disrupting leadership, planning, logistics, training, manufacturing,

Even though the warfare being waged is so-called asymmetrical and doesn't meet the Western criteria for war to be declared, the other side clearly think they are waging war - that would be good enough for me to retaliate in "Total War" terms.

In that context, as we have already seen, aerial bombing is making a substantial contribution in reducing the already established capability on the ground (otherwise there wouldn't be this recent rash of attacks in Europe) and the threat of using it against against the leadership lodging in other Middle East countries, I believe, would bring things a conclusion even quicker (Cut the head off the chicken).

Perhaps a start could be made on taking out some Saudi oil terminals and refineries - they are in dire economic straits at the moment, due to the depressed oil price. Stick the knife in, that's exactly what they are doing - they've got no moral qualms about doing it to us. This ain't the life and times of colonel Blimp !

You don't think it works - it does, unfortunately. As Bomber Harris demonstrated, it will work.

Nick

Bizarre!

[Macdemon]

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What actions are you suggesting.

?

Can NATO, UN, EU or anyone stop those that are financing IS and others, State-sponsored terrorism, Saudi Arabians as an example,

or can they now deal with the nutters out there that are just going to increase the amount of copy cat acts?

 

Destroy their poppy fields and hunt then down like the vermin they are.

 

DEATH TO I.S YOU ARE ALL LOATHSOME SPINELESS PARASITES

[Clunkclick]

Terror is terror, whats makes you any better then isis suggesting we start bombing innocent people, normal civilians, mums, dads, hardworking people. Its thinking like that that's got us where we are now.

 

Lets start bombing France and Germany, they seem to have a large amount of isis cells in their country, where does it end 

Not suggesting were any better. They think they are fighting a war and we are, at the moment, are playing Marquis of Queensbury, Colonel Blimp/After you Claude. We ought to show them a demonstration of what Total war is all about by employing all the resources at our disposal to bring this to a quick conclusion.

 

London 1940, Coventry 1941 then Ruhr 1943-44, Hamburg 1943, Caen 1944, Dresden 1945 - sowing the wind, reaping the whirlwind. Not without precedent, as to effectiveness.

 

Nick

[mac11irl]

And "total war" is exactly what they want the west to engage in, so by doing as you you suggest you simply give them what they want - the final holy war which gives Islam final domination of the world. Its somewhat doomsday, but thats the base ideology what they (IS, BH etc) are spreading in an extremist manner - the idea that the world will be dominated by the victorious in the final war and by engaging it simply gives them more ammunition to brainwash many more young and unfulfilled muslim men that "they were right - they predicted this war which has begun but they also predicted we the followers of Allah will be victorious therefore Im getting in this too for my share of the great reward" and so the message spreads.

The greatest reason theyve gotten the traction they have in the region is courtesy of the bombing campaigns and civilian death/oppression the occupying forces in iraq and Afghanistan doing nothing more than creating a non existent future for anyone and bulding resentment and hatred for the occuppiers and then leaving a massive power vaccuum behind which will always be filled by the loudest and most extreme voice.

Also worth remembering they hate the french courtesy of historical treatment of the islamic peoples both in france and algeria and northern africa. Along with the hateful ateocities belgians carried out in their "colonisation days" across africa... and lets not forget these people have very long memories all the way back to the crusades...

Im not a supporter of anything they stand for, but the best way forward is undermine their message - provide a genuine and attainable future for the people they appeal to without having to bomb the **** out of everything in existence.

[Clunkclick]

Miilions of refugees streaming from these zones into Europe must say something about how widespread and well held these beliefs are amongst the mass of current populace from the region i.e. they are trying to get the hell out. If Daesh were intending or able to do anything for them, the refugees would stay in country. Same in Afghanistan.

 

Similarly, there's not universal support for them in Northern Iraq and parts of Syria and

 they only secure their domain there by criminal intimidation.

 

Does the FBI or New Scotland Yard stay action against organised crime for fear of promoting the benefits of the criminal life in the minds of impressionable sociopathic youth - of course not.

 

Its a policing matter in the region, nobody likes 'em except their financiers.

 

The World domination belief, can't be something shared by the mass of the population otherwise all in the region would be flocking to their colours. They only sustain there regime by intimidation.

 

What must be prevented is the extension of their intimidatory domain, othrwise we are into, in Churchill's words,  - "A new dark age". The sooner its been brought to an end the better. If that means risking a temporary widening of the conflict, so be it - the prospect of living under a criminal regime like that would have people lamenting  the demise of Pol Pot/the Japanese POW camp depicted in the Railway Man.

 

 

Nick

Edited 27 July, 2016 by Clunkclick

[Auric Goldfinger]

Just been on the news. One of the two terrorists who killed the Frence Priest was wearing a Security Tag BUT, it was turned off due to his bail conditions.

[cheezemonkhai]

I do agree with the idea of glyphosphate bombing their poppy fields.

No poppies = Less income to pay for things.

 

Worrying though that you think carpet bombing a country would make us less likely to get a dirty bomb.

 

The whole thing is out of hand, we have to deport these people, (to rockall if needed and leave them there to kill each other).

We need to increase checks and strengthen our borders, but everything in France, especially the priest and the two IS related goings on in Germany are a sign we can't carry on as we are.

[Rooted]

Which has nothing really to do with anything.

Even if on you can cut one off and Duck Tape a tag to a dog, or even a duck and leave it in your home or out to wonder about the streets.

 

Now an implant connected to the brain and the heart that kills if you have any bad thoughts of killing anyone might be an idea.

Volkswagen / Bosch could maybe develop it because you can trust their IT.

 

I have seen the Movies, it is the future..... Great car chases.

Edited 27 July, 2016 by GoneOffSKi

[Aspman]

There is no easy answer to this, there isn't really even an enemy to bomb.

 

Some of the people who will attack are hiding in plain sight. Go watch Four Lions, it's satire but very close to the truth.

Many other who will attack are mentally ill, they might be being guided by others but some will just be guided by the voices in their heads.

 

There is no way to identify many of these people with ruining the lives of everyone by excessive surveillance. Do you think the government on granting itself Gestapo-like powers will only use these for counter terrorism and not for persecuting everyone for anything it wants? I'd suggest the governments track record on this is pretty poor already.

[vRSgone]

We've got to get to the root cause of these terrorism acts - extreme Islam. You don't see terrorism from Catholics, Jews, Hindus, Protestants, Sikhs, Jains or Buddhists. Islam is the common denominator. Ban the practice of Islam on our shores, pull down the mosques, close down faith schools (of all denomination). If people want to practice extreme religion, let them do it on their shores not ours.

Personally I'm an advocate of banning ALL religion; it has no place in our modern world. 

Edited 27 July, 2016 by vRSgone

[Rooted]

The UK Socialist can be pretty extreme in some of their behaviours.

Then there is the Nasty Party.

 

Time that Political Parties were banned in the United Kingdom.

We need Politicians but they should be elected as individuals IMO.

 

Just watching the United States of America and the freaks there is very very frightening that any of the 2 standing for the President are going to be in control of the Free World...

Then the mam pots that finance the politicians.   Scary scary stuff if you really bother. 

When one of them do press the button luckily there will be little time to worry then.

 

As Usher sang, 'Got one life, just live it'.  

Problem is some believe there is a better life after taking theirs and others.

[vRSgone]

People will ALWAYS try & foist there opinion on others, sometimes with determination & a vengeance. You've only got to read this Forum to realise that. It's in our psyche to do just that; without that trait there would be no leaders or teachers, or Trade Union Leaders. The problem is when it gets out of control, & that is what is happening with extreme Islam. Extremists have corrupted the words of the Koran, to make it mean what they want to, in furtherance of their ideal of world domination. How do you stop it? Already too late. By allowing faith schools, the Government (not just ours), has allowed indoctrination & brainwashing to start as young as 5 years old. Result? Young Asian UK citizens grow up hating western values. They are are our future terrorists. By allowing uncontrolled immigration, potential terrorists have & still continue to pour into our shores. 

 

The different religions & cultures of the world can never live in harmony - the divides are too deep, - just look at the history of the Balkans to see that. It was only the iron fist of dictator  Marshal Tito that held it together, as soon as he died  - Poomph!

 

History will show that Merkel & Junckers mass immigration plan (the Kalergi plan, in essence) was a social experiment gone horribly wrong.

Glad I won't be around to see the final outcome.

Edited 27 July, 2016 by vRSgone

[essexalan]

Area bombing alone never won any war, it wasn't until in WWII they turned to destroying the German oil supplies that any real major effect occurred. German tank and aircraft production 1944-1945 was higher than at any other time but they had little fuel to use. Strategic bombing of N Vietnam did bring them back to the conference table it was hurting them. Use of atomic weapons on Japan ended that war but Japan was finished anyway. Wars are won with boots on the ground and the occupation of territory, dropping bombs reduces the enemies ability to wage war

 

Pro-action should include non-denominational schools and places of worship, removal of human rights from anybody identified with or carrying out acts of terrorism  including their families and relatives. Terrorists to be interrogated most vigorously and incarcerated indefinitely, Gitmo did work. Families and relatives to be repatriated from whence they came immediately with no right of appeal. All of the refugees that have entered Europe should be considered a security threat and treated as such. The problem is already in our countries and should be treated like a virus. Monitoring of all social media to be strengthened, crossing points on all European outside borders to be considered a security risk. The entire areas of Syria, Iraq et al to be sealed off, nobody gets in and nobody gets out, better include Turkey as well now.