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New(er) Yeti search - Engine variants - 170 bhp cr vs 150 ps scr, etc.?


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I'm looking for a new(er) Yeti and I'm considering a number of options. As I can't delay until the newer petrol 1.4 and 2.0 tsi 4x4s are out and on the used market, and as the available 1.8 tsis are now too old for me to consider, it's going to have to be a diesel engine Yeti.

 

I'm guessing that the 150 scr engine is the updated version of the 170 cr, is that right?

 

Are there any key issues (ie, problems) with the 170 that I need to know about before handing over the dosh (I'll be buying one with the balance of the warranty remaining)?

 

Would the 140 be better (read - more reliable?)?

 

Never driven/owned a DSG (2015 version), is this to be avoided as an option?  The Yeti will be used mainly on A and most frequently B country roads, with little inner city or motorway driving?

 

Many thanks for any advice/information.

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You don't say what your budget is but it can't be that small since the 1.8TSIs, which are too old for you, can fetch up to £12,000.

 

Last month I bought a petrol 1.4 4x4 with 6000 miles for £7,500 less than new price.  The engine is remarkably good at lower engine speeds and its light weight makes for a much better-balanced car than the diesels.

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You don't say what your budget is but it can't be that small since the 1.8TSIs, which are too old for you, can fetch up to £12,000.

 

Last month I bought a petrol 1.4 4x4 with 6000 miles for £7,500 less than new price.  The engine is remarkably good at lower engine speeds and its light weight makes for a much better-balanced car than the diesels.

That sounds a very good price for a 1.4, well done, and I'm guessing that's the L&K version?  There are no 1.4 4x4s on the Skoda Approved used listings and none on Autotrader, at the moment  Ideally I'm not looking to spend more than £19,000 tops (I've been offered £8000 for the current Yeti so far).  I've become accustomed to the kit level on the Elegance (esp the cornering xeons, and heated 'leather' seats, etc.), so it's likely to be a used elegance or L&K (or I might even begin to stray towards Subaru - shock - horror!!).

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I wouldn't touch the pre SCR/AdBlue version knowing what we do now.

That's a really good point, so if I do go for a 170 bhp I'll remember to check whether its been "fixed yet" (could even be an added bargaining point  B)  )

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That's a really good point, so if I do go for a 170 bhp I'll remember to check whether its been "fixed yet" (could even be an added bargaining point  B)  )

SCR is the real fix.

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Yes, the L&K, bought while holding my nose a bit at the colour scheme, but that's the only way, as you know, to get a petrol 4x4. It was £18,250 and I too got offered (after negotiation) £8,000 for my old petrol 1.8TSI, so cash to change was £10,000.   Put a search alert on Autotrader if you haven't done so.

 

Subaru, eh. I was looking hard at a new Forester before settling for the L&K. It's a lot of car for £25,000, more robust and capable than the Yeti, as I know having driven one round South Africa.  More reliable, too.  On the other hand, it's old-fashioned in various ways, quite expensive to run, not cheap to fix if it does go wrong, and the current Forester is a good deal bulkier than the Yeti.  A perfect car for South Africa, but not so well suited to the UK unless you are deeply rural and drive on (probably own) a lot of unsurfaced roads.

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SCR is the real fix.

 

Yes, the L&K, bought while holding my nose a bit at the colour scheme, but that's the only way, as you know, to get a petrol 4x4. It was £18,250 and I too got offered (after negotiation) £8,000 for my old petrol 1.8TSI, so cash to change was £10,000.   Put a search alert on Autotrader if you haven't done so.

 

Subaru, eh. I was looking hard at a new Forester before settling for the L&K. It's a lot of car for £25,000, more robust and capable than the Yeti, as I know having driven one round South Africa.  More reliable, too.  On the other hand, it's old-fashioned in various ways, quite expensive to run, not cheap to fix if it does go wrong, and the current Forester is a good deal bulkier than the Yeti.

Thanks for your advice again, and you've convinced me to hang on a little while longer for a petrol engine.  I enjoy driving my current 1.8 tsi (despite the rumours regarding the timing tensor issue!).  Having just followed up on Ryeman's helpful comment, I really don't like the sound of this, so called, fix http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/diesel/adblue.  More like a bodge and reminds me of having to top up on 2-stroke oil for my old scrambler!

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Ask where you put the AdBlue and if the used salesman says "it doesn't NEED it"

......tell him YOU need it and ignore his bluster.

Just to clarify if you are not fully aware of the difference between the new and old diesels

1/ the earlier versions had the crude system of emission controls coupled with a 'cheat' in its software.......AVOID

2/ the latest have a vastly superior method of meeting the higher emissions standards whilst giving more power with better economy with its post combustion treatment (SCR/DEF - AdBlue)......BUY

Or

Petrol

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Buy a CR170 - drive it, enjoy it - it's the most powerful engine available for the Yeti and it shows everytime you bury the throttle. And is also the most reliable to boot.

 

I'll agree with this  :)

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Then we have the rubbish talked about the 170 & emissions.

 

The fact is,

1) NO 170s have been "fixed" yet - as the fix is not yet out for that engine.

2) you don't actually want the "fix" anyway - the engine performs perfectly as it is. All a "fix" will do is compromise performance or make the engine do something it was never designed to do. And you're under zero duress to have the fix applied. It's your car its up to you what gets done to it.

 

Buy a CR170 - drive it, enjoy it - it's the most powerful engine available for the Yeti and it shows everytime you bury the throttle. And is also the most reliable to boot.

If or when you're asked if you'd like the fix - just politely decline.

Agree with all of this.
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I wouldn't touch the pre SCR/AdBlue version knowing what we do now.

The 170 engine performs perfectly and is reliable.

Unless you make your buying decision based solely on emissions figures - which is pretty unlikely if you're considering the most powerful engine in the range - I see no reason to discount the engine at all.

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The 170 engine performs perfectly and is reliable.Unless you make your buying decision based solely on emissions figures - which is pretty unlikely if you're considering the most powerful engine in the range - I see no reason to discount the engine at all.

My point is not relating to power but combustion efficiency over the much longer term and the best is done by post combustion treatment of the high NOx rather than the vulnerable EGR valve and combined cooler which fouls eventually and crudely compromises the power/economy efficiency of a diesel engine.

Buy the least compromised engine is my preference.

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The newer engines still have EGR though don't they ?

SCR is another system that's added to those cars where EGR alone can't get the NOx levels down low enough.

For example on the Superb 3, the 150 engine only has SCR fitted to the heavier 4x4 variant (which we have....) - the 2wd 150s don't have it.

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The newer engines still have EGR though don't they ?SCR is another system that's added to those cars where EGR alone can't get the NOx levels down low enough.For example on the Superb 3, the 150 engine only has SCR fitted to the heavier 4x4 variant (which we have....) - the 2wd 150s don't have it.

The EGR valve and associated cooler was used to control NOx by crudely lowering the combustion temperature.

The SCR system allows an uncompromised engine with reduced fouling of the engine oil also and then deals with the higher NOx level with the injection of DEF (AdBlue) prior to the catalyst.

http://www.natso.com/blog/what-is-the-difference-between-exhaust-gas-recirculation-and-selective-catalytic-reductionhttp://www.natso.com/blog/what-is-the-difference-between-exhaust-gas-recirculation-and-selective-catalytic-reduction

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Don't know how it fares in the Yeti, but the 150 engine in our Superb falls *way* short of the promised fuel economy. We get around 41-43mpg according to the computer.

The 170 engine in my barn-shaped, heavier, more-enthusiastically-driven remapped Yeti gets more than that!

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Yes, but the SCR engines still have EGR valves and coolers as well. I don't believe it replaces them (according to the self study guides I read).

I think you need to ask the senior service technician at a dealership because I don't see why there would be two systems dedicated to the same work.....that would be the worst of both worlds.

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That's the one - AFAIK the EA288 is the current type in use.Those scared by complexity probably shouldn't read it....

The SCR version will kill it when the world standard come in next year I suspect.

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