Turbo failure

[Pagodarish]

Hi all, I've just gotten my '12 yeti back after having a turbo failure and replacement.  4x4, 140bhp dsg with just 53k miles up.  Luckily got it replaced under warranty but wondering if there's been many turbo failures at such low mileage as it doesn't exactly engender confidence.  I've also discovered the sunroof appears to be leaking but warranty doesn't cover that.  Not impressed !

[Llanigraham]

Don't think I can remember one being reported.

[jonnyboy78]

My Audi A3 with the same Engine and gearbox failed at 78k miles

[Ryeman]

My Audi A3 with the same Engine and gearbox failed at 78k miles

Which bits?.

[Llanigraham]

My Audi A3 with the same Engine and gearbox failed at 78k miles

 

What has that got to do with the turbo, which is what the OP asked?

[SuperbTWM]

What has that got to do with the turbo, which is what the OP asked?

He means his Audi A3 with the same running gear as the Yeti had the turbo fail at 78K

[jonnyboy78]

Which bits?.

 

From what I remember (Was almost 4 years ago), the car kept going into limp mode, so took it to local specialist for diagnostic check (no warnings on dash), came back as over boosting. Two days later whilst heading home from work total failure with black smoke pouring out the rear. Had it transported to a local garage (Very honest local guy I have used for years as car out of warranty by a couple of years), he basically said everything was moving around inside and put it down to the vanes becoming blocked and the turbo not being able to spin correctly, nothing I could of done except replace turbo prior to the failure (very costly to clean) so same end result new turbo.

Turbo and all pipework replaced as per recommendations (oil starvation another common reason for failure), sold the car on within the next 6 months as lost faith and when reading various articles it was not uncommon for it to happen a second time as it was possible the vanes could block again, cost me around £1k all in using the Turbo exchange programme.

Edited 19 January, 2017 by jonnyboy78

[Urrell]

I do remember there was something a while back where they had to fit a spacer shim into the turbo on Yeti's for some reason.

[Ryeman]

I do remember there was something a while back where they had to fit a spacer shim into the turbo on Yeti's for some reason.

Surely not a heat expansion or wear related problem not allowed for........?!

Edited 20 January, 2017 by Ryeman

[Rooted]

There are going to always be some failures even in small numbers or in bigger, if not there would be no 'Spares' & Replacement parts available in stock or for back order.

No Turbos, Engines, Gearboxes, DPF, Catalytic Converter, ECU's parts sellers.

[g6zru]

I do remember there was something a while back where they had to fit a spacer shim into the turbo on Yeti's for some reason.

Was that not only the early 1.2?

 

Fred

[finebone]

On ‎19‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 23:27, jonnyboy78 said:

 

From what I remember (Was almost 4 years ago), the car kept going into limp mode, so took it to local specialist for diagnostic check (no warnings on dash), came back as over boosting. Two days later whilst heading home from work total failure with black smoke pouring out the rear. Had it transported to a local garage (Very honest local guy I have used for years as car out of warranty by a couple of years), he basically said everything was moving around inside and put it down to the vanes becoming blocked and the turbo not being able to spin correctly, nothing I could of done except replace turbo prior to the failure (very costly to clean) so same end result new turbo.

Turbo and all pipework replaced as per recommendations (oil starvation another common reason for failure), sold the car on within the next 6 months as lost faith and when reading various articles it was not uncommon for it to happen a second time as it was possible the vanes could block again, cost me around £1k all in using the Turbo exchange programme.

 

I had a very similar experience with mine after 4 years/40,000 miles. My friendly independent thought it was caused by oil starvation.

It's been fine since though and otherwise virtually faultless.

However, I must admit I will seriously consider getting a petrol model when I finally replace it over the next couple of years...

[Ryeman]

6 hours ago, finebone said:

 

I had a very similar experience with mine after 4 years/40,000 miles. My friendly independent thought it was caused by oil starvation.

It's been fine since though and otherwise virtually faultless.

However, I must admit I will seriously consider getting a petrol model when I finally replace it over the next couple of years...

If you're trying to avoid another turbo I suspect you'll be disappointed as they are powering smaller engine capacities with more low down (diesel like) torque.

An SCR diesel (for a non city resident) might still be a better option. 

[Zarniwoop]

On 1/20/2017 at 08:01, Offski said:

There are going to always be some failures even in small numbers or in bigger, if not there would be no 'Spares' & Replacement parts available in stock or for back order.

No Turbos, Engines, Gearboxes, DPF, Catalytic Converter, ECU's parts sellers.

 

Absolutely! Its illogical to say "I'll buy a non turbo car, because I once had one in which the turbo failed  (or the DMF,  or the EGR valve,  or the particulate filter....)"  You might as well say "I'll get one without an engine,  then it will never go wrong."  Unfortunately, its a hard fact of life that "stuff happens".

[Charliebrown47]

Thanks for posting the information about the low mileage Turbocharger failures on the TSi 1.2 Yet . Am fighting for cost of repair to my 2015 Yeti 1.2 TSi Turbo wastegate failed at just below 30 ,000 miles. Not fit for purpose. Wish I'd known about the fault prior to purchase. Charged £1,640 for replacement. Any more info on cause of failure would be appreciated

[Rooted]

Welcome to the forum.

Having the turbo and wastegate replaced as a complete unit under warranty was something people had, but when paying with their cash money there are those that just had the wastegate actuator replaced even though Main Dealerships would say this could not be done. 

[Charliebrown47]

2 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

Welcome to the forum.

Having the turbo and wastegate replaced as a complete unit under warranty was something people had, but when paying with their cash money there are those that just had the wastegate actuator replaced even though Main Dealerships would say this could not be done. 

Many thanks for your response. When the incident occurred I asked the Service Manager at the Dealership to retain the broken Turbocharger for an independent Inspection as I wanted to know why the wastegate had seized. I was told that because the part was part of the service exchange scheme it had to go back to Skoda to enable a full  new unit to be used for mine. So it looks as though I have been denied the opportunity to discover that the wastegate could be changed without replacing the whole unit. The water becomes clearer now.

[logiclee]

14 hours ago, Charliebrown47 said:

Thanks for posting the information about the low mileage Turbocharger failures on the TSi 1.2 Yet . Am fighting for cost of repair to my 2015 Yeti 1.2 TSi Turbo wastegate failed at just below 30 ,000 miles. Not fit for purpose. Wish I'd known about the fault prior to purchase. Charged £1,640 for replacement. Any more info on cause of failure would be appreciated

 

Was this the 105PS or 110PS

 

On the 105 skoda typically said new turbo when the wastegate actuator failed. But an  independent could replace the actuator and reprogram for around £200.

 

We had the actuator replaced on our Octavia three years ago and it's been fine since. Skoda wanted £1600, cost £180.

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TURBO-WASTEGATE-ACTUATOR-03F145725G-03F145701F/dp/B07VJG75MT/ref=asc_df_B07VJG75MT/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=226168125559&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15660722269752906894&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006914&hvtargid=pla-951281827597&psc=1

Edited 24 February, 2021 by logiclee

[Charliebrown47]

Thanks for the reply. I'm new on here and still finding my feet. Has anyone challenged Skoda about the Turbocharger Wastegate failures at such low mileage ?

[logiclee]

9 hours ago, Charliebrown47 said:

Thanks for the reply. I'm new on here and still finding my feet. Has anyone challenged Skoda about the Turbocharger Wastegate failures at such low mileage ?

 

Do you know if it was the turbo internal wastegate that failed or the turbo wastegate actuator?

[Charliebrown47]

Hi logiclee,

                 The official line given to us by the service manager at the Skoda Dealership where we bought the Yeti  outdoor SE  TSI 110 ps  new , and have always had it serviced and maintained , was as follows : IN WRITING, Our diagnosis found a fault code stored in the memory of the vehicle relating to the seizure of the wastegate internally within the Turbo. A TPI is available for this issue/repair. Unfortunately I am not able to pass this Bulletin on to members of the public.

 

ON TELEPHONE, It was the actuator to the wastegate which gets rid of the excess loading of the gasses to the Turbocharger . { Explained to me by the service manager, after I had been scraped off the ceiling following the cost reveal !! }

I am trying to get some satisfaction now from Skoda in relation to The Consumer Rights Act 2015,{not fit for purpose}. However because of the time delay, and being out of warranty, despite the low mileage, {30570 } when the incident occurred, the onus of proving that the part which had failed was not fit for purpose, is up to me to prove. Hence this attempt to warn others in the Briskoda Community of the danger, and of course, gathering evidence to forward my case with Skoda which began in July 2020.

Any relevant help from the Affected members of the Briskoda Community would be most welcome.

 

[Llanigraham]

Considering that the same part is fitted to millions of engines across the whole of the VAG range and there aren't thousands of claims about its failure, how can it be "not fit for purpose"?

I think you've got a chip on your shoulder.

[Charliebrown47]

Many thanks Llanigraham for your response to my quest for information re- Turbocharger Failure. Could you please expand on your knowledge of the lack of claims within the VAG for Turbocharger failure, I'm assuming that you'll have the number of failures in order to establish your comments,. this is what I'm attempting to establish. Your help in the knowledge and numbers you have of this matter will be gratefully received and helpful in my quest for information.

 

I'm not quite sure how your further information about chips on shoulder is relevant in my quest to gather information on Turbocharger failures. Perhaps you could expand on that as well.

 

Thanks again for posting.

[Rooted]

If really needed i will link to many many Turbo Replacement and Actuator failed threads here with 1.2 TSI's since 2010.

Obviously people come with issues, but then there are those that never come to forums and go to Dealerships with the faults / issues.

So a few dozen on Briskoda might be a few hundred or thousands in the UK across SEAT, VW, Skoda & Audi.

 

That will be thousands across Europe or more across the Globe.

So maybe small percentages of failings with the 1.2 TSI's and Turbos, then add in the Timing Chain Tensioner Issues 2010-2012 and maybe later and we see.

'Nothing to see here move on'.    VW Fan boys are blinded by the light sometimes, or maybe they are 3 monkeys.  See, Say and Hear no Evil.

 

@Charliebrown47

Try keywords on any search engine.

 

briskoda 1.2 tsi turbo failure

 

Edited 25 February, 2021 by e-Roottoot

[Charliebrown47]

Thanks e-roottoot for your response to my request re- Low Mileage Turbocharger Failures with 1.2TSI Yeti 110 PS Outdoor 2015 Model.

 

It was exactly using search engine Keywords which brought me to this site my friend, my rationale being that the best people to get information from will be fellow owners in the first instance. No one driving a vehicle with this type of Turbocharger should be subject to their engine failing on a Motorway especially at such a short mileage. When you buy a new car you expect the engine to last more than 30000 miles before such a catastrophic Failure. I have not been short of replies since I first posted in this Community , for which I'm grateful, some helpful, some not.

 

If you could point me to these threads I'd be grateful. I'm a seventy four year old Gentleman, ex HGV Driver, ex NCB Engineer, ex Royal Navy who has found difficulty catching up with modern technology but trying hard to find my way!!

All assistance well received.

thanks again e-roottoot.