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Appreciate your feedback and advice since posting, I'll continue to pursue this through various channels and hope that there can be a suitable resolution.  Car was bought from a non-Skoda dealership less than 12 months ago.

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Unfortunately, a lot of prods throughout their markets across the globe, don't appear to have changed their attitude or the predicament faced by subsequent or longer term owners of their vehicles.

 

I agree with you that VW group have fundamental design and manufacture failings with some of these parts.  I,m not sure why you think I said otherwise or somehow unaware? If you look at past post history, even in this thread, I've said the same....

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It might help to someone, Seat has one of the best Self Study Program for second stage/generation of EA888. It´s SSP 132, below file in French or link for Spanish version, at erWIN available yet in English or German.

 

!!! SSP 132 Moteurs 1.8 et 2.0 TSI.pdf

 

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http://documents.mx/download/link/cuaderno-didactico-132-seat-motores-18-l-y-20-l-tsi

 

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I've decided to take the plunge and proactively have the chain and tensioner replaced before it gives out. 

 

No outwards signs of problems but would rather pay the large sum money now than a huge sum of money later. My request caused a bit of consternation at Marshall Skoda and someone will be giving me a call back tomorrow morning to discuss costing etc. and book a date.

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My guess would be close to a grand at a dealer unless their rate is >£120 per hour plus vat. 5.0+ hours work. On assumption they are just changing the chain, main tensioner, guides and rails and lower cover. Because it is not a listed item for fixed servicing / maintenance items there is nothing to fall back on in terms of pricing either.

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Yes, I think that's it.

 

They're contacting a Skoda master technician about it and confirming if my engine is vulnerable. It's a CDAA so is at risk. 

 

Personally I'd rather Skoda trained Tech did the work as they should have access to the correct tools, latest information and latest revision of parts.

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After failed tensioner on my car a local independent engine specialist did all the work and was fantastic, he had a total of 5 2.0tsi engines in his workshop the same week as me and is well aware of the fail.  He also ensured the best quality parts were used to replace including the upgraded/revised tensioner, a pleasure to deal with, so I don't necessarily believe that it has to be a Skoda trained tech doing the work, as long as the garage/workshop is familiar with the VAG engine(s) and the known issues.

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I had it done for £630 at an independent including the recommended oil change and a new filter. Using VAG parts. But it depends on pricing i.e. labour rate in your area but should be 5 - 5.5 hours. Assuming main tensioner, chain, guide and rails edit, lower timing cover, seals etc.

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I'm looking at buying a MY12 plate 2.0 TSI with 100k+ on the clock that's been serviced by Skoda every 20k....should I be worried about this issue? From reading this thread it seems to rear its head a lot earlier in the life of the motor.

 

Am I right in thinking 2012 would be an updated tensioner too?

 

 

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Skoda Main Dealer History Servicing at 20,000 mile intervals might worry some as this means it has had Oil Changes only 5 times so far.

Has it been serviced now at 100,000 miles for the 5th time.

Has the Brake Fluid been changed twice now, air filter twice, pollen filter twice, spark plugs changed etc, 

ie Service Schedule Guidelines followed and not just a tick exercise. 

Receipts in a Folder showing consumables replaced.

 

Then again you need to check the Warranty & Service History because all could be well with everything done at a Dealership where they give a damn.

 

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According to information in these forum threads, version K tensioner from 05.03.2012.

 

A lot of failures seemed to be 30k - 70k miles but it could happen anytime.

 

The engines past middle of 2011 had revised piston / ring set up which was a bit better at resisting very premature oil consumption from scraper ring failure.  However, it has to be said, long life servicing at 20k intervals does these engines no favours...

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It's had 6, including recent DSG oil change. Rang the dealership that did the servicing and they claimed the owner has always looked after it, but I guess ultimately you can't undo whatever damage long life servicing may or may not have done! 

 

Thanks for the feedback. 

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Hi,

I'm wondering if anyone could tell me where Skoda stand on this issue now - I see there are 4 revisions or more for the cam chain tensioner. Is the latest revision proving to be reliable? And if so could anyone point me in the right direction of a part number/repair kit for this update?

Thanks in advance.

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Skoda (UK)? They are standing, right in the same place where they have always stood. Many of their retail dealer's service centres have often never heard of a problem either, or so they tend to say, so I don't think any of that has changed much despite the passage of time.

 

AFAIR the current version is still revision K - i.e. 06K 109 467K.   You'll need some other parts though to repair and re-instate properly. They are all listed within this thread. You could just replace the main tensioner and some seals and the lower cover, but for the extra cost it would seem sensible to me to replace the chain and rails and guide at the same time given the time and effort getting in there.

 

I've not yet heard of a failure on the rev K tensioner in these forums. I hope it stays that way - (covers ears with hands)....  However, with my pessimistic hat on, I would say a failure is still possible but reduced scenario from earlier designs. You're looking at a much smaller population subset to get failures statistics. I.e. a very late Mk2 FL or a car with the tensioner work carried out. They've been out for 5 years now (edit: version K of the tensioner that is). 

 

 

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Thanks for the reply. Ah, so they seem to be brushing it under the carpet...

Yeah, most of the tensioners I've seen are the K version. So if this version has been out for 5 years and there's not so many reports of failures on cars I'd imagine might've done 50k+ miles, that must bode well. 

 

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Bit late to the party perhaps but our Yeti 1.8 TSI succumbed last week at exactly 6 yrs and 60,031 miles - happened in a car park without warning on start-up, turned over noisily but smoothly while refusing to start. Recovered to garage, who diagnosed timing chain slip and valve-to-piston contact.

 

Car has full book of Skoda / VW stamps.  Since we bought it at 3 yrs and 19,000 miles (dealer used-approved) we've continued with dealer servicing (on included plan while it lasted) and kept oil topped up with the correct spec. 

 

It's a looked-after and otherwise brilliant car, but we're looking at a new engine or get rid. Will update on outcome of contact with dealer/SUK customer care.

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I feel your pain. My scout was also 6 yrs old and 60k when my problems started. It too had full dealer service history but Skoda UK weren't interested. Dealer helped with cheap labour and I get discount on parts but it was still a very expensive job for new engine. Felt somewhat let down by Skoda, especially given the brand loyalty over the years. Good luck with a decent outcome. 

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My Yeti 2011 1.8 is using 1 liter of oil per 1,000 miles, and is out of any sort of warranty.

 

Just done a compression test, and the dry measurement is about 155 on all cylinders, whereas the wet figure (with 5cc oil added) is 185 !!!!

 

Looks like the rings are f****d.

 

I've read a lot of this thread, which has been really useful.

 

Does anyone know someone who can do a rebuild, who is

 

A ) capable of doing a proper job, and

B ) not going to rip me off

 

I am happy to travel a fair distance (I'm in Kings Lynn), and will pay the going rate.

 

I've seen Dal Jones Automotive (kent), and germancartech (southend). Anyone used them and know if they are trustworthy?

 

Thanks for any info,

 

Martyn

 

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Two weeks ago my Superb 2013 1.8 CDAA TSI engine with just 45000 km has failed.

Only 3 cylinders out of 4 were working and the whole car was shaking.

Root cause : broken valve spring.

Also when diagnosing the engine they've noticed that the timing chain could potentially 'jump soon' and recommended replacement.

Warranty expired in DEC 2015. Awaiting for Skoda Auto Poland support/free will on this.

 

This is disappointing - my previous car (Avensis 2.0) serverd for 18 years without a single engine failure... 

 

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You can add my car to this list. Thread of my problems is here: 

Basically my cars a 59 plate octavia vrs and the tensioner failed 17/6/17 at 33k. Skoda have qouted £5145 for a new engine and no goodwill so im hoping my extended warranty will pay for it. Haven't kept it up to date recently as I'm too busy gathering evidence incase this ends up in a small claims court!

 

Not sure if anyone else had found this info but it does look like USA are making a law suit against VAG for the chain tensioner issue, i contacted them via live chat and they seem to think they might be able to help. I guess all the evidence they can get, the better their chances:

http://www.seegerweiss.com/vw-audi-timing-chain-tensioner-system

 

Also here's a link to the 2012 Auto Bild interview with VW seniors where they admit there's an issue with the chains/tensioners: http://www.autobild.de/artikel/vw-tsi-motorschaeden-3393757.html

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Hi everyone. Ive now sold my octavia vrs minus engine. Id purchased it a year old from a car supermarket. After four years it died. All I was offered by skoda was 3500 for new engine .that price was a loyalty discount owing id had four previous skodas. Would I have rights about claiming against them to have got the repairs for free even though I bought externally. Many thanks.

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