DSG issues or even real problems?

[AndersNordh]

Hi again!

 

I have just now, after almost a year, decommissioned the DSG Survey since we didn't get as many users with problems reporting as I initially thought and we couldn't see any pattern in the answers either. The result is, and will be, available through my personal site for those who like to take part of what we learned.

 

If you like to only take part of the result, please look here for a web based version or chose the Excel file.

 

Have a nice day!

[Jabozuma]

Thread revival.

My car is Nov 2012 CTHE, 34k on the odo.

She's been few times at the dealers (loose cold air intake scoop connection, front heated seats recall, normal service) when I always enquired about ECU updates and DSG "service campaign" oil change. Two diff dealers and always no to both questions. I assume I never had a synthetic oil in my DSG.

 

As for the driving technique then it is an automated manual gearbox, take mechatronic away and you will be left with a regular manual H-pattern.

Still, mechatronic has its quirks and a specific way of working all drivers have to get familiar with.

Handbrake is an absolute No-No unless you move the gear lever to "N".

Having said that there is a way with foot brake which needs to be mastered as well.

If you press the foot brake firmly you will notice the revs going down to circa 800rpm. At this point the drive is fully disengaged and clutch is not working.

If you press the pedal ever so slightly, the revs are at around 1,100 rpm and clutch is slipping. Within this range of the brake pedal signal mechatronic is getting ready to move the car forward and starts engaging the clutch.

It is an easy thing to observe if you play with the brake pedal at the lights. It will also make you faster off the line at the most coveted Traffic Lights Grand Prix .

Another thing to notice is the fact that mechatronic tends to use the optimal gears at every engine/road speed/load combination. This results if lots of gear changes. 1.4twincharger has a fantastic power band and the amount of gear changes can be reduced massively if you switch to manual and use the stick of paddles - this baby will pull in every gear from 1,5k rpm :love:.

In short, forget abut TC auto driving techniques when driving a DSG box. Learn how to do it properly and she will reward you with a long and trouble free service.

As a side note please I observed that 2nd gear has a terrible clutch map - it judders in certain situations and gives brutal downshifts sometimes. Tuners offering DSG flashing recognize this problem and their maps address the issue.

[lozgti]

Not read all the links,but it just the 7 speed not the 6?

Never had the joy of an auto and I'm loving it.Don't scare me!

[Rooted]

It is the DQ200 7 Speed Twin Dry Clutch DSG.

These are the kind of Skoda Vehicles this box is in.

http://skoda.co.nz/news/dsg-service-campaign

 

There is a World Wide Recall on the VW, Seat, Audi & Skoda vehicles with these gearboxes.

For some reason the UK and parts of Mainland Europe are not considered as being in the World,

so there are Service Campaigns only, these mean that Registered Keepers of vehicles that might be affected and 

require Field Actions may or may not be made aware by VW, Seat, Audi or Skoda.

[Wishful]

Wow... interesting stuff. I'm looking at ordering a new 1.2 TSi Yeti in the next few weeks, I was considering the auto box but it seems that I might be better off staying with a live box. Maybe the later models have been modified but I think I'll give them a miss for now. Many thanks to all contributors, it was certainly very interesting and informative reading... Regards.

[Rooted]

They are wonderful gearboxes and should have no issues if Volkswagen have now taken the matter seriously and sorted 

out their factories quality control.

If they are still selling vehicles with components and gearboxes not fit for purpose then they should no longer be in business.

But as it is they just keep getting away with it even when they know for years there are issues..

[ColinLambert]

2014 1.2 Yeti elegance DSG. 8,500 miles.

Gearbox recently started 'grunting' on set off and 1>2 and 2>3

Reported to my dealer today. 

To be fair I have owned Fabia Estate 1.2 DSG & a 2012 1.2 DSG Yeti SE+ and had absolutely no problems at all.

Any other recent reports of similar.

To hear the noise go here

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/363360-dsg7-noise-when-changing-gears/

 

Watch and listen (full volume required) yo the video clip.

 

Watch this space!

[dusty97]

Good afternoon all heres my 1st post on this forum oddly enough about the dsg gearbox, I have a april 2012 1.6 diesel Octavia with the 7 speed box fitted.

 

Now at approx. 95.000miles a noise appeared from the gearbox area which myself and mechanic thought was the dual mass flywheel as that's what the local dealership lead us to believe, it went to an auto transmission specialist when on thre removal of the starter motor noted the starter was defective and the vehicle didn't actually have the dual mass flywheel fitted

 

starter was replaced and off I went with no noises and perfect gear change, after 2 miles dsg warning light flashed on dash, pulled over, contacted the transmission garage who asked me to return it, the cleared a fault down, I went on my merry way for it to happen again, they then had the vehicle the following day and explained the fault was beyond them and would require main dealer assistance.

 

the following week on a Monday it was diagnosed as the dsg control unit failed. £1800.00 this was fitted a week later after the dealer got confused when ordering it( long story)

dsg unit was fitted the following Tuesday, roadtested and I was informed I had no 2nd gear!!!. 2 days later skoda technical asked the dealer to remover and inspect the clutch, I was informed one of my clutches was worn caused by my original control unit failing thus an £1800 control unti damaging a £2400 clutch .

 

skoda uk did pay a majority of this but with 5 weeks off work( self employed cabbie) it still hit me hard.

 

I hope this bit of information has helped in anyway with any research.

 

Now I have a question reference the rear main oil seal, does the seal sit around the  crankshaft or is it an item which is replaced when fitting a new flywheel ???

as ive just had a service done and the garage has reported the rear main oil seal is leaking...... seems a big co-incidence since the flywheel/clutch were replaced approx. 10.000 miles ago

 

any help would be appreciated

 

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[Delboy001]

My wife and I have just bought a Roomster 1.2TSI 105ps 7 speed DSG Scout. 

 

Since the launch of DSG I have been wary of the complexity of these gearboxes;  even now I would not use one for towing, and I have not yet decided whether the risk of owning one outside warranty is acceptable.  I hope that I can change my mind, because we usually keep cars for a long time.

 

With that in mind, I have given some thought to what we can do to improve the chance that we have a trouble-free car.  So I have set out to find out as much as possible about how DSG (and especially the DG200 version) works, and what sort of problems can arise with that and the 1.2 TSI engine.

 

There seem to be two recurring issues with these cars  - 

 

 - DSG problems, to which your survey relates; and

 

 - problems concerning the timing chain.

 

Regarding the DSG:

 

The handbook gives very little information about how it works, but it does say among other things

 

The vehicle must be held on the brake pedal in D, S or R modes if the vehicle

is halted and the engine is running. Even when the engine is idling, power

transmission is never completely interrupted – the vehicle will creep.

 

Never try to hold the vehicle using the accelerator pedal when stopping on a hill

– this may lead to transmission damage.

 

The "creep" warning would apply to a normal epicyclic torque-converter-equipped transmission (a "TC auto"), but surely we don't need to be told to brake if the car is moving and we don't want it to?  Why the footbrake, and not the handbrake, which does not appear to release the clutch?

 

I investigated, and found that the car still tries to move, even with the handbrake on, if in gear.  Clearly the clutch must be slipping - if it was fully engaged, the car would be moving.  On the other hand, pressing the footbrake seems to back off the clutch from the bite point.

 

The second, "do not hold on the accelerator" warning seems to have the same point behind it - if the car is stationary, in gear, on a hill without brakes, then the clutch is slipping, heating up, and wearing out.  Holding a car on the clutch is very bad practice, whether we are controlling the clutch with a clutch pedal, or just using the accelerator as with DSG.

 

This is pretty serious, because many DSG drivers will have come from old-style automatics (as has my wife).  Leaving a TC auto in D with the handbrake on, or holding it on the accelerator, will usually do it no harm.  It does not wear the brake bands in the gearbox, it just churns the fluid, and provided that it is adequately cooled then there is no problem.

 

DSG seems to have the potential for drivers to adopt a bad habit, possibly carried over from long and trouble-free experience of a TC auto, that will kill the gearbox through clutch wear/overheating. The point is that it appears possible to drive a DSG in just the same way as a TC auto, but with far more destructive results

 

Although the warnings are there in the handbook, there is no explanation of the reason for them, or of the possible consequences.

 

We intend to use our DSG with full awareness of what the clutch is doing, as far as possible - just as we do our manual cars.  I do not, for example, reverse my caravan uphill with my manual Mitsubishi Outlander - it is just too hard on the clutch pushing a 1200kg trailer uphill without the clutch being fully engaged, which is usually impractical in a confined space.

 

Regarding engine longevity, I intend to do the same as I have with my other turbo cars - change the oil and filter in between scheduled services i.e. every 5,000 miles in the case of a Roomster on a 10,000 mile/annual servicing regime, and ensure there is always enough oil in the engine.  I hope that will also have benefit for the timing chain wear.

 

What do the VAG/Skoda experts say?  Is it possible that owners are unknowingly shortening the life of their DSGs by driving in a "normal" manner that is incompatible with DSG?  Intuitively, this would also account for the dry-clutch DQ200 boxes exhibiting more problems than the wet-clutch versions, on both higher and lower torque engines.

 

I have searched this forum and the internet for specific guidance on how to look after these gearboxes and found almost nothing. I'm trying to work it out for myself, but it would be good to have some practical guidance from someone who knows the workings of these gearboxes.

 

 

Good Morning,

 

I understand I am replying to an old post but I felt I had to reply to some of your comments. 

 

As to the servicing, I am the same I find these long life services to much. I am an expat in Prague at the moment and going 20 something thousand km's before an oil change Is too much. Don't ask for the filters but get the oil changed every 10,000 Km's. 

 

Now to the DSG. You treat is as any other auto.

 

The vehicle must be held on the brake pedal in D, S or R modes if the vehicle

is halted and the engine is running. Even when the engine is idling, power

transmission is never completely interrupted – the vehicle will creep.

 

Never try to hold the vehicle using the accelerator pedal when stopping on a hill

– this may lead to transmission damage.

 

This is obvious and would do this with any other auto. Trying to hold the vehicle with the accelerator when stopped on a hill. Well you have to be a plank if you do that. Brake and as soon as you have to go lift of the brake and you start rolling forward. Never had an auto where I went backwards in drive. 

 

To your handbrake comment of course its going to move. If your trying to hold an auto on your handbrake, well shall not be rude. On modern cars the computer knows you have the brake on and disengages power to the gear box (I have auto hold) and as soon as I come off the brake, it takes a split second, computer puts drive in and the auto pulls away. On my A8 2009 model. Its a normal auto. This does not have auto hold but still if on a hill, I use the brake and yes you can feel the power still running. Again as you lift off the brake up the hill I go. 

 

Very surprised at your comments if you have been driving an auto for 12 years and you think its normal to use a handbrake to hold an auto and find it surprising that you have to brake on a hill and not ride the accelerator. This is surely basic common sense. Don't know no one who has done this with auto's from 15 years ago and up till today. As they say there is always the one. 

[Delboy001]

Well my Octavia 1.8 TSI DSG 7 speed is playing up.

 

Only seems to do it when I start in the morning and the cars cold.

 

Warning light flashes up gearbox error and then to apply brake, i'm doing 30 mph down a road with traffic behind and can not really stop. this however is the case as i lose drive and had to stop this morning, restart the engine and then all was fine. Done this to me yesterday as I pulling out of a junction, thankfully I could restart in time before cars in the opposite lane approached. Not safe at all. 

 

Spoken to my dealer and its booked in for inspection next week.

 

Till then look three times before I pull out somewhere when i first start her up.

 

:(

[Delboy001]

Here is a vid after I stopped and this is what entailed before I turned the engine off and restarted.

 

Sorry was speaking Czech and with a cold. No s******ing at my Michael Caine i'm a nosy neighbour voice

 

http://vid108.photobucket.com/albums/n4/Delboythetoyboy/IMG_5222_zpsrslbxacb.mp4

Edited 4 November, 2015 by Delboy001

[Rooted]

And on it continues.,

This is the first i have seen of a report of issues on a All New 3rd Generation Fabia.

Obviously faults can happen, sadly with VW you can put money on them.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/408368-dsg-clutch-pack

[gadgetman]

Is there a definite list of issues that would constitute a mechatronic failure?

Clutch pack was replaced under warranty, now 7 months outside and the DSG is acting up. Turn off engine all is fine. On start up one of the clutches seems to be engaged.

Prepared to have to fight the dealership & VW that they missed something which has lead to failure by taking easy/cheap option in replacing the clutch pack & hope it ran out of warranty.

[Rooted]

Does anyone know anything about and DSG software updates recently started on the likes of a 14 plate Skoda Rapid 1.6TDI ?

Why or what the software update is for, have there been issues or is this a preventative recall action?

http://master.skoda-auto.com/mini-apps/recall-actions

Edited 20 January, 2017 by Offski

[Rooted]

Update info in the thread.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/422718-rapid-recall

[Rooted]

Another Service Campaign started, on the DQ200 7 speed DSG. '34H5'

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/425419-dsg-gearbox 

[Rooted]

If you have a DQ200 7 Speed Twin Dry Clutch DSG in a Skoda or any VW Vehicle built between 2013-2015 maybe best check with the Customer Services if it should be going in for the Service Campaign Action '34H5'.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/432730-oil-leak 

[Kustom48]

Hi,

I have been trying to access the links from AndersNordh but none of them work for me and I'd really like to read these and to give me more ammunition to quote to Skoda UK about my  2012 1.8 TSi Octavia Elegance Estate's 7 speed dry clutch DSG failure @ 54,000 miles after 5 years.

Can anyone help me, please ?

 

[john999boy]

23 minutes ago, Kustom48 said:

Hi,

I have been trying to access the links from AndersNordh but none of them work for me and I'd really like to read these and to give me more ammunition to quote to Skoda UK about my  2012 1.8 TSi Octavia Elegance Estate's 7 speed dry clutch DSG failure @ 54,000 miles after 5 years.

Can anyone help me, please ?

Both of the links in his 8/10/14 post work for me. Have you tried a different browser or checked your security settings?

[Rooted]

Skoda UK Customer Services and the Skoda UK Brand Director knows the issues, and especially the Brand Director / CEO since he worked with Skoda UK before Alasdair Stewart became brand director, then he was with VW and parts / warranties and came back to the job after Aladsair Stewart's promotion and then departure

from the VW Groups employ.

 

A World Wide Recall excluding Europe in 2012 and a Service Campaign started in parts of Europe in 2013 and by Skoda UK in 2014.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/295037-7-speed-recall 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/314923-fabia-recall 

Similar threads in the Octavia, Yeti, Roomster & Superb sections and all over the net, facebook groups etc in the UK and around the world.

Edited 24 August, 2017 by Awayoffski

[AndersNordh]

On 8/24/2017 at 21:06, Kustom48 said:

Hi,

I have been trying to access the links from AndersNordh but none of them work for me and I'd really like to read these and to give me more ammunition to quote to Skoda UK about my  2012 1.8 TSi Octavia Elegance Estate's 7 speed dry clutch DSG failure @ 54,000 miles after 5 years.

Can anyone help me, please ?

 

 

Hi, did you get the url's working?

 

Have a nice evening.

 

[Kustom48]

Hi everyone,

Just to let you know I collected my repaired Octavia yesterday from the Skoda dealer, ALS Autos, Ely, Cambs and paid the £4652.94 for their work.(  Parts- £3301.46, labour £576.00, VAT £775.48 )      

Apparently  it comes with a 2 year parts & labour warranty, having been carried out by a Skoda dealer....well I do hope that it will last 2 years and more...... as I will have to keep this car for longer than planned because of the very high cost of the repair involved.

I have contacted Skoda & the Motor Ombudsman via the Resolver website, about my complaint and hope to receive some reply regarding this in due course as Skoda have never written to me as I had asked them to, just phoned me after I contacted them by email and by telephone because all I got was an automated reply to say that they ( Skoda ) take customer service seriously......well not from my experience of them they don't !

[Rooted]

Problems still with people running Euro 6 VW Group cars with DQ200 DSG . 2014 on.

VW really need to accept where faults are Fundamental Design, Manufacturing or Software issue, even if failures are only 5% they need to admit to that.

AMT TVS Brainwashed DSG's.pdf

Brochure DQ200 EN.PDF

[Rooted]

Anyone having problems since the Service Campaign '34F7' now that a few years have passed?

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/444027-201718-dq200-dsg-34f7-service-campaign-any-further-issues 

[Rooted]

Never ending. After 2015.

over 2 million DQ200 produced by Skoda.  They might crack the reliability before they discontinue them.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/439395-the-story-of-the-famous-dq200-clutch-slip/?page=6