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I am still hopeful this disaster could be diverted, I genuinely believe it isn't the true will of the people.  I know some people genuinely want brexit. I don't think the EU is perfect, there is some major issues with it but I think the UK is far far better off in than out.  Then there is all the rights as EU citizens we are loosing as a result :( I am still very angry about it all.

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56 minutes ago, S00perb said:

Lost count of the number of people I have spoken to that didn't believe that leave would win and voted for it just to 'stick it to camaron' or 'make a point' - jeez, that lot need to understand what they have done!

 

That's the trouble with protest votes. Sometimes they actually win.:dry:

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Britain's debt will not fall to 2008 levels until 2060s, IFS says in startling warning

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/british-debt-uk-deficit-not-fall-below-2008-levels-2060-financial-crash-economy-warning-a8071696.html

Hammond's answer? Look on the bright side............. 
 

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Budget 2017: Philip Hammond hopes to prove grim forecasts wrong

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42089984


There is NO GOOD BREXIT. NONE. AT ALL. 

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3 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

Bit surprised at the surprise at this. 

Someone went and listened to the government:

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UK government said the competition would "run as normal",

 

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7 minutes ago, S00perb said:
8 minutes ago, S00perb said:

UK government said the competition would "run as normal",

 

You didn't actually complete the quote.

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In December 2016, the UK government said the competition would "run as normal", but did warn bidders that it "may be subject to" the Brexit negotiations.

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Hilary Benn, MP for Leeds Central and head of the House of Commons Select Committee for leaving the EU, said: "This is a terrible blow and has come completely out of the blue.

"It's particularly extraordinary especially as the bids have just gone in.

"And to wait until all the work had gone in and turn around and say, 'You can't do this' - it's shoddy treatment of Leeds and the other cities have worked so hard."

Three non-EU cities have previously held the title - Istanbul in 2010, Stavanger in Norway in 2008, and Reykjavik, Iceland, in 2000.:thinking:

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Turkey was a candidate then despite their human rights problems, so we’re eligible.

Leeds should have followed their example and treated the homeless even worse than they already have.

It’s only money that could have been used for social issues rather just attracting tourists to boost local businesses. All those Starbucks could have been packed to gills ready to funnel their profits to the Netherlands and Switzerland. The homeless could have sat outside shaking their empty cups for money until they were moved on for making the place look untidy. 

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  Current EU members
  Candidate countries
  Potential candidate countries
  Membership possible

 

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2 hours ago, Lee01 said:

Non-EU countries are eligible if they are in candidate or likely candidate countries, EFTA or the EEA. In 2023 no UK cities will meet these criteria.
Poor Leeds :D 

 

Perhaps the UK can try and become the 51st State of the US ?   

 

If it is between the UK and Puerto Rico I think we have the edge (They have had the Hurricane and we have BREXIT though it could be too close to call) .

 

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7 hours ago, Lee01 said:

Non-EU countries are eligible if they are in candidate or likely candidate countries, EFTA or the EEA. In 2023 no UK cities will meet these criteria.
Poor Leeds :D 

 

Should the EU be standing by a previously agreed commitment beyond Brexit in respect of the competition though - in the same way they want us to pay our share of previously made commitments beyond Brexit??   :biggrin:

 

Seriously - is it not a bit hypocritical of them??

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Check out Dundee and the Local Authority that was ready to fill its boots from being Capital City of Culture, the snouters there have had a good time already just going with a bid. Spent big and had trips and travels out of it 'researching'.

I expect similar in the other 4 competing for being the winner to host the 2023 event.

 

Dundee had hundreds of millions from the EU, maybe even Billions over the years / decades.

Now the Leading Electric Vehicle City from grants etc, always over the decades Dundee has had its hand out for cash for a deprived area.

It is deprived but then that is down to the Labour Party back with corruption in the days of developing Dundee and then the no better with the SNP party in Dundee.

 

So the 5 UK cities will just have to encourage visitors and inward investment from Government handouts rather than EU help. 

Have UK Cities of Culture, or UK Capital of culture events and have the overseas visitors flock in,  through the 'Borders Controls' then stay as long as you want 

because the UK has no ID cards or control on Visitors and more than on migrants.

Once in stay off the radar and you are sorted.

 

Stewart Murdoch will have to find some other cunning plan for assisting with inward investment, 

try try and try again, maybe 3rd time lucky,

the Leisure & Culture & Leisure & Communities Department of Dundee City Council will no doubt have loads of ideas to go along with the V&A opening in the City.

 

 

Stewart Murdoch PKN - Creative Dundee __ Creative Dundee - Amplifying and Connecting the City.mhtml

Dundee 'still benefiting from 2017 culture plans' - Evening Telegraph.mhtml

 

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2 hours ago, skomaz said:

Seriously - is it not a bit hypocritical of them??

Almost as hypocritical as people wanting to leave the EU giving a rats ass about a competition run by the EU which would give them £1 million.

If the 49.3% of people in Leeds who voted leave want that £1M I'm sure they won't mind digging in their own pockets to fund some art or other culture will they :wait: 

Matthew Holehouse is a reporter at the Torygaff.

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Does the articles not say Leeds have spent 1 Million in 4 years trying to win the bid?

"£200,000 from the city & £800,000 more from private funders."

 

I would think the plan was to get more back than 1 million squids or what ever in to the city if Leeds did become Capital City of Culture 2023.

After millions more was spent in readiness.

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3 minutes ago, AwaoffSki said:

Does the articles not say Leeds have spent 1 Million in 4 years trying to win the bid?

"£200,000 from the city & £800,000 more from private funders."

 

I would think the plan was to get more back than 1 million squids or what ever in to the city if Leeds did become Capital City of Culture 2023.

After millions more was spent in readiness.

Double blow, then. 
They spunked £1M on a competition they were't eligible to enter :D 

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That spunking must have been getting done a good while before the referendum. but then there are plenty wan-kers around and if you spend 1 million someone must have received it.

 

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11 minutes ago, AwaoffSki said:

That spunking must have been getting done a good while before the referendum. but then there are plenty wan-kers around and if you spend 1 million someone must have received it.

 

It was announced in 2014 and 

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In December 2016, the UK government said the competition would "run as normal", but did warn bidders that it "may be subject to" the Brexit negotiations.

 

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Yes but they lied on many things and when they never knew they made things up, as they do now. its not news to you is it?

 

Michael Gove MP says Social Media puts out untruths, which has apparently passed over his head what he did and does.

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LEGATUM INSTITUTE

http://li.com 

http://li.com/about/board-of-trustees 

(Alan McCormick, Richard Briance)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Chandler_(businessman) 

 

CEO of LEGATUM INSTITUTE is Baroness Philippa Stroud.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippa_Stroud,_Baroness_Stroud 

She who Co-founded 'Centre for Social Justice', the 'Think Tank' that came up with 'Universal Credit' and the Think Tank Rt Hon Iain Duncan Smith Co-founded with Tim Montgomerie and which Rt Hon Iain Duncan Smith MP is the Chairman of again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Montgomerie 

 

Worth reading about if you are interested in the UK and influences from 'Think tanks',

maybe worth using a search engine with key words like 'legatum Ed Miliband'   'Legatum David Cameron' 'Legatum Boris Johnson'

 

 

...........................

http://legatum.com/about-us/leadership 

http://legatum.com/about-us/what-guides-us 

Legatum the business.

Now this is not the 'Legatum Institute' the 'Think tank'.    Just an employee / partner of Legatum Group is a Trustees of Legatum Institute.

Obviously they are only ever working with the best interest of the people of the UK and the wider world.

Looking after the 'Next Generation', that being the next generation of the very wealthy that they currently look after maybe.

.........................

http://pmbcap.com/team-view/richard-briance 

 

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Legatum_ who are the Brexiteers’ favourite think tank and who is behind them_ _ openDemocracy.mhtml

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@ 15 minutes and 18 minutes & then other questions shows clearly he Bull Sh!ts, that is his main purpose, self interest of the Bank of England and UK Banking, not the UK.  

 

The stuff David Davis MP will not releasing must be this stuff being let out here by The Bank of England..

 

Really doubling of un-employment in the UK. 

lets see, see if the population drops, life expectancy drops and hard working individuals are required less, or just actually workers,

and if that means doubling of claimants for Job Seekers allowance or increases in those unemployed getting Universal Credit.

The UK Banking & Financial services industry have been making very many un-employed / redundant since before the EU Referendum.

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4 hours ago, AwaoffSki said:

@ 15 minutes and 18 minutes & then other questions shows clearly he Bull Sh!ts, that is his main purpose, self interest of the Bank of England and UK Banking, not the UK.  

The stuff David Davis MP will not releasing must be this stuff being let out here by The Bank of England..

Really doubling of un-employment in the UK. 

lets see, see if the population drops, life expectancy drops and hard working individuals are required less, or just actually workers,

and if that means doubling of claimants for Job Seekers allowance or increases in those unemployed getting Universal Credit.

The UK Banking & Financial services industry have been making very many un-employed / redundant since before the EU Referendum.

 

Even shocked me.

 

Reported unemployment is currently very low ie around 4.5% i recall, Of course that does not really recognise a million on zero hours contract and a couple of million who can only get part time work but want full time.

 

It is a worse case scenario ie Ireland vetoes as it is not happy with the Irish Land Border solution, the rest of the EU just shrugs it shoulders saying UK did not come up with any workable solutions and therefore the double effect of the UK having to pay the EU's External tariff rates and suffer all the lengthening affects of supply chain going through the customs controls that descend on the EU borders to us in the UK.

 

Clear Mark Carney is not towing the line on the fantasy line of the BREXIT talks outcomes but taking, or considering, the very darkest of views of potential outcomes ! 

  

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