EU referendum/Brexit discussion - Part 2

[lol-lol]

Interesting......

UK must pay for French ports after Brexit, Macron to tell May

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/french-ports-brexit-uk-pay-emmanuel-macron-theresa-may-a8131096.html

 

French President Emmanuel Macron is expected to demand the UK pays for new customs services at Calais and other French ports after Brexit when he meets Theresa May next month.  It is highly likely that more rigorous and bureaucratic customs and immigration controls will be required after the UK leaves the European Union. Currently the UK pays effectively to manage its border on the French mainland at Calais, in a reciprocal arrangement under the Le Touquet Treaty, which is itself now a contentious issue.  

French officials have said the costs of preparing its UK facing border points will cost more than new arrangements in Ireland. The French ports of Calais and Dunkirk together service Dover, which is the world’s busiest sea port.

Mr Macron is facing significant internal political pressure to ensure the UK pays for a problem seen in France as of the UK’s own making.

 

Edited 29 December, 2017 by lol-lol

[Ryeman]

^^^^^ just like Mexico paying for The Wall

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3 hours ago, Ryeman said:

^^^^^ just like Mexico paying for The Wall

 

Except that Mexico does not benefit from a wall but the UK will suffer hugely if there is not good customs clearance of goods coming to the UK from France or UK goods going in to France.

Every minute delay as about a fiver to the average truck load through Dover/Calais-Dunkirk and there are around 10,000 trucks going through this route on busy days.  

We, in the international logistics industry, need to know what is going to be at the borders as we need to resource it too.  

Companies like ourselves (Bollore) , DPD, which is owned by La Poste and DHL need to prepare for the border requirements post-BREXIT as the time is short.  

 

Edited 29 December, 2017 by lol-lol

[lol-lol]

 

 

Well 2017 finished on a bit of a higher note.  

 

FTSE 100 all time high, GBP looking a bit stronger than the US dollar.  Perhaps not all so bad for some at least.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/dec/29/global-markets-end-on-record-high-after-adding-9tn-in-2017

 

Over the year, the FTSE 100 has added £141bn to the value of Britain’s top companies. But it has lagged rivals due to concerns about the increasingly tricky talks on the terms of the UK’s departure from the EU. However, a breakthrough deal on the Irish border and citizens’ rights in December lifted some of that cloud, and nearly 5% of the FTSE 100’s annual gain came in the final month of the year following the Brexit agreement. Its low point of 7093 was in early February, as Trump’s first attempt at a travel ban upset investors.

 

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[@Lee]

Lord Adonis quits.........

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Labour peer says PM has become ‘voice of Ukip’ as he resigns as chair of National Infrastructure Commission

 

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Brexit is a populist and nationalist spasm worthy of Donald Trump. After the narrow referendum vote, a form of associate membership of the EU might have been attempted without rupturing Britain’s key trading and political alliances. Instead, by allying with Ukip and the Tory hard right to wrench Britain out of the key economic and political institutions of modern Europe, you are pursuing a course fraught with danger.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/29/lord-adonis-quits-as-theresa-may-infrastructure-tsar-over-brexit

[Rooted]

?

Did he actually say or write, "PM has become the voice of UKIP"?   BBC Report says so.

 Where is that in his resignation letter or a speech, or was it 'Ally of UKip'  As the SKY report says or some other media?

 

 

 

Labour Peer, former Labour politician appointed by George Osborne.    Kept on by Theresa May MP / PM & it was paying him £85,000 a year as Chair of the committee.

'What is your hurry, here is your hat!.  

Snouters,

Not a MP, just another of those Un-elected peers and members of committees that often are there until they decide to go, when the public should be able to decide.

Bring in the voters to decide on who runs the country and its spending. 

 

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UK not banking center for Europe, but central to world banking as it is being said more and more as banks want to offski, 

and yet they know about cutting off their nose etc

 

Lord Adonis,

http://dodsgroup.com 

http://rm.com 

Andrew Adonis quits as Theresa May's infrastructure tsar over Brexit _ Politics _ The Guardian.mhtml

Register of Lords' Interests - UK Parliament.mhtml

Andrew Adonis_ a one-man tuition fee Twitter storm _ Education _ The Guardian.mhtml

Edited 30 December, 2017 by AwaoffSki

[Ryeman]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/30/macron-2018-brexit-french-president-europe-leaving-eu?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=258616&subid=7137672&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

[lol-lol]

52 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/30/macron-2018-brexit-french-president-europe-leaving-eu?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=258616&subid=7137672&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

 

Indeed.  Latest statistics show France has passed the UK in GDP terms though India is coming up fast and will pass both France and UK probably in 2018 relegating the UK from 4th to 6th in a couple of years.       https://knoema.com/nwnfkne/world-gdp-ranking-2017-gdp-by-country-data-and-charts

 

Wish I had (maybe I did indirectly) had share in Air France in 2017 as they rose 160% during the year, largest gain of any indexed firm in Europe.  France could gain in so many ways, as well as the Lowland countries, from BREXIT as the become secondary distribution centres for UK goods in the UK as well as all the industry required to import and export goods to the UK which I remember well in 1992 and before the UK joined the Single Market.  Costs will be added to the landed costs of course.  

 

French owned companies like DPD, who I had a customs presentation from early in the month, also doing very well.  My company, French owned, also had quite a good year in the UK and worldwide and BREXIT and the new customs system should also, as well as for Air France, DPD etc, should fuel lots of expansion in 2018 and 2019 and beyond.     

Edited 30 December, 2017 by lol-lol

[Rooted]

http://bbc.co.uk/news/magazine/26823489 

Some French people with good paying jobs loved France so much that they lived in the UK and worked and will be keeping properties probably.

British people that were retired or maybe still working live in France, and we will see how many continue to after Brexit.

 

People from India are being encouraged to come to the UK, just bring your money as well, the UK is open for business, and the wealthier you are the more open it is, 

and if you have enough money the UK will let you pay little in the way of taxes.

 

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French citizens cast votes in London in unpredictable presidential race _ Daily Mail Online.mhtml

'We don't need a third shock'_ French expats flock to vote in UK and US _ World news _ The Guardian.mhtml

Edited 30 December, 2017 by AwaoffSki

[lol-lol]

1 hour ago, AwaoffSki said:

http://bbc.co.uk/news/magazine/26823489 

Some French people with good paying jobs loved France so much that they lived in the UK and worked and will be keeping properties probably.

British people that were retired or maybe still working live in France, and we will see how many continue to after Brexit.

People from India are being encouraged to come to the UK, just bring your money as well, the UK is open for business, and the wealthier you are the more open it is, 

and if you have enough money the UK will let you pay little in the way of taxes.

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French citizens cast votes in London in unpredictable presidential race _ Daily Mail Online.mhtml

'We don't need a third shock'_ French expats flock to vote in UK and US _ World news _ The Guardian.mhtml

 

A few years ago, under Holland's early years, the French introduced a 75% tax rate but now it is down to 45% for over 150,000 Euros and in fact the middle rate is only 30% and the lower rate only 14% so actually better than the UK so those hundreds or maybe even  a couple of thousand of high paid workers are quite happy to go back to Paris now. 

I would be happier paying French PAYE than UK.

I see quite a lot of Indian workers in various sites in the UK, certainly the Tata brand is all over the place and not just with the Jaguar Land Rover.  Expect they pay the going rate.

Will be interesting to see the immigration criteria as it may not be degrees, Master etc but how big is the salary you are getting when you start here.

And there is always bit of tax planning to do optimize the situation.    

Might need that Irish passport to travel and work with ease in one of the remaining 27 EU Member States.

[S00perb]

FFS

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Now that we are to be a sovereign nation again, we must bring back imperial units

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/01/now-sovereign-nation-must-bring-back-imperial-units/

 

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Top Tory Sir Bill Cash calls for return to imperial measures ...

 

 

Think brexit was the LAST referendum? Nah - the first of many

Next it will be back to shillings, Dads army border guards are already on the table, job for life has ended already, owning property is being phased out, they won't be happy till we have serfs and landed estates again. And those that will be the serfs vote for it all!!!

How do we get to the stage where you vote away all your rights and hand everything over to the toffs? By letting the toffs ruin decent education so most people don't know basic history. Let them run the newspapers and con people in to thinking that toffs know what is best for you. Make people think they are 'one of them' - but your not, they still look down their noses at you. You are just a gullible pawn, disposable, a means to their greedy wealth and power grabbing ambitions. Enough is never enough for them. If you have anything - they want it.

You had guaranteed employment rights under European law - you voted them away

You had guaranteed safety rights under European law - you voted them away

You had guaranteed privacy rights under European law - you voted them away

You had guaranteed Air Passenger rights under European law - you voted them away

You had loads and loads of guaranteed European rights that the toff couldn't stand you having - you voted them away

Sure, the toffs have said you will retain all these rights............. for now. For how long? Probably till they can convince you that you don't need them, they are bad for you somehow. Don't belive it? History shows that they are very good at convincing you that black is white.

 

Happy New Year BTW

 

 

[lol-lol]

^^^^^^^^^^^^  

Various little remarks about conditions, pay and benefits give away that the current UK government's default position is to sacrifice workers rights if it benefits UK commercial advantage.

Fortunately the affects of masses leaving the UK ie a shortage of labour, will drive up wages.

It will be tough decisions for some of our car workers who will have to choose to accept lower wages or loss out to EU car plants to compete in the main market ie the EU's near half a billion people.

 

For 2018, with the effects of the BREXIT vote and as we draw closer to the actual date of leaving the EU, transition or what (no country outside the EU is permitted not to make customs entries for goods arriving in the EU), will we continue to see the much higher inflation that we have seen since July 2016?  Well the UK pound has rallied a bit since the massive fall on mid 2016 but still is about 10% lower than it was in June 2016 so imports will continue to be relatively expensive.  

 

         

 

A busy year for me in preparing the customs systems In the UK for BREXIT and it will be interesting to see how the French upgrade their system Delta to handle the massive step up of customs entries at Calais/Dunkirk as well as Le Harve, Cherbourg etc.   Belgians and Dutch will cope quite well as they are use to massive amounts of transiting of goods.

 

Having done the UK customs coastal patrol, and knowing the history of how customs officer were sometimes harmed by smugglers, I find this latest news of the "Home Guard" of UKBA/HMRC partly funny, partly sad and the rest concerning what a banana country the UK is in danger of becoming if we continue on the present course.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/31/ministers-consider-using-volunteers-to-guard-uk-borders

 

"Prepare for the worst, hope for the best", as a high ranking Customs Officer mentioned at one of our BREXIT meetings at Westminster earlier this month. 

After Chris Rea's illness earlier this month hopefully he is back on the mend and we will hear more from the great man.  (Video barred from embedding put here is the link)

Road to Hell parts 1 & 2. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abZlWqVeLzg&feature=youtu.be 

 

Edited 31 December, 2017 by lol-lol

[@Lee]

Oh dear God WTAF  Capt Mainwaring and Pike at the border

 

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Ministers consider using volunteers to guard UK borders

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/31/ministers-consider-using-volunteers-to-guard-uk-borders?CMP=share_btn_fb

[skomaz]

6 hours ago, S00perb said:

FFS

 

 

Think brexit was the LAST referendum? Nah - the first of many

Next it will be back to shillings, Dads army border guards are already on the table, job for life has ended already, owning property is being phased out, they won't be happy till we have serfs and landed estates again. And those that will be the serfs vote for it all!!!

How do we get to the stage where you vote away all your rights and hand everything over to the toffs? By letting the toffs ruin decent education so most people don't know basic history. Let them run the newspapers and con people in to thinking that toffs know what is best for you. Make people think they are 'one of them' - but your not, they still look down their noses at you. You are just a gullible pawn, disposable, a means to their greedy wealth and power grabbing ambitions. Enough is never enough for them. If you have anything - they want it.

You had guaranteed employment rights under European law - you voted them away

You had guaranteed safety rights under European law - you voted them away

You had guaranteed privacy rights under European law - you voted them away

You had guaranteed Air Passenger rights under European law - you voted them away

You had loads and loads of guaranteed European rights that the toff couldn't stand you having - you voted them away

Sure, the toffs have said you will retain all these rights............. for now. For how long? Probably till they can convince you that you don't need them, they are bad for you somehow. Don't belive it? History shows that they are very good at convincing you that black is white.

 

Happy New Year BTW

 

 

 

Blimey - someone's got a massive chip on their shoulder and has clearly been taken in hook, line and sinker by anti-brexit rhetoric haven't they???

 

Don't take this the wrong way but you talk about brexiteers being 'led' but you need to look in the mirror a bit more!!

[moley]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42410584

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Anyone who tells you they know how Brexit is going to play out in 2018 isn't to be trusted.

 

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6 hours ago, moley said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42410584

 

 

As I said, and UK Customs also, plan for the worst, hope for the best.

 

• Worse case is both full customs procedures from 30th March 2019 and full external duties to be paid by goods from the UK.
• Mid case would be customs procedures to be followed but a trade agreement allowing goods of UK origin to pay no customs duty (only import VAT as applicable).
• Eureka case would be Transition period, until 31st of December 2020 according to EU, which continues with the UK having to do no customs procedures until then and only pay the 50B Euro divorce bill.  Then back to one of the points above.

 

The EU is steeped with legal procedures and Double D, May and crew's BREXIT talks have shown they did not do their homework on the legal premise of the EU and failed to understand that the 6% of the EU's trade that is with the UK is not the most important matter they have whereas the 44% of trade that the UK has with the EU is crucial to the UK economy as we are seeing and perhaps the UK is finally realizing now as the UK moves away from its tough talking to the situation of wanting to be EU in all but name and to pay a 50 billion apology for being so daft.    

 

Edited 1 January, 2018 by lol-lol

[Ryeman]

“.........imperial units”

Seriously?!

Why lumber school children with such old, white man, illogical madness, that only an octogenarian like Murdoch would approve of?!

[lol-lol]

3 hours ago, Ryeman said:

“.........imperial units”

Seriously?!

Why lumber school children with such old, white man, illogical madness, that only an octogenarian like Murdoch would approve of?!

 

A gallon of water ie 8 pints, weighs 10 pounds, well 10.02 pounds. 14 pounds in a stone, 16 ounces is a pound or is that 20, no that is fluid ounces in a pint.  Having done both for decades it is the metric system all the way even though the System International.  Of the 7 core measurements the metre was defined by light rather than a certain bar, or set of 30 of them so it is owned by nobody as it was before 1960.   Long live decimalization ! 

 

 

Accordingly, the 11th CGPM in 1960 agreed a new definition of the metre:^[20]

The metre is the length equal to 1 650 763.73 wavelengths in vacuum of the radiation corresponding to the transition between the levels 2p₁₀ and 5d₅ of the krypton 86 atom.

The measurement of the wavelength of the krypton line was not made directly against the international prototype metre; instead, the ratio of the wavelength of the krypton line to that of the cadmium line was determined in vacuum. This was then compared to the 1906 Fabry–Perot determination of the wavelength of the cadmium line in air (with a correction for the refractive index of air).^[3][19] In this way, the new definition of the metre was traceable to both the old prototype metre and the old definition of the ångström.

   

[Rooted]

Time to get shot of those Miles.

 

Buy fuel by the liter and shown on the car as MPG and MPH.

Get shot of the 'whole nine(9) yards, i will walk 500 miles, and that pound / Lb of flesh.

 

The UK was always Metric Light like it was EU Light.

Let the United States of America have their 'Gallon', Quart of a Gallon', and own Barrel of Oil or Pork Bellies and let the UK trade in this centuries measures.

 

As to Volunteers, look at Fire Brigade, Life Boats,  Mountain, Cave and Flood Rescue, Citizens Advice etc etc.

Governments have taken the Pith for decades having Volunteers doing jobs on the cheap including with the TA.

 

Charlie Elphicke MP and all the others have plenty spare time to be giving over to some Border Control duties or other voluntary work, 

or will if they give up the second jobs,

as do the many peers of the realm. So give them a Donkey Jacket and a hard hat and sign them in as a Special Contstable.

 

 

 

Edited 1 January, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[Ryeman]

..........not to mention the Bushel.

[@Lee]

But 'dodgy' David Davis said we could make trade deals quickly....................

 

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Ministers Cannot Name A Single Country That Asked UK For A Post-Brexit Trade Deal

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/fox-nodeal-ministers_uk_5a3bc79ae4b06d1621b2589c

[Bignij]

23 hours ago, AwaoffSki said:

 So give them a Donkey Jacket............

 

 

 

Crikey! Do we still have donkey jackets? I thought they were consigned to the history bin with the advent of Hi-Viz everything. 

[Rooted]

Yes Donkey jackets with Hi-Viz shoulders.

 

I meant jackets with DONKEY on them,  then Lions could be in charge of these Donkeys. 

 

Actually 'Straight Jackets' & Gimp Masks might be more appropriate for some of the netters that are in charge of the country. 

At least padded cells.

Edited 2 January, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[moley]

13 minutes ago, AwaoffSki said:

Actually 'Straight Jackets' & Gimp Masks might be more appropriate for some of the netters that are in charge of the country. 

 

Do you mean that someone is actually in charge of the country?

[Ryeman]

Britain moving to the Pacific Rim apparently -

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-03/britain-interested-in-joining-tpp-trade-deal-after-brexit/9302362