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TBH BA are so shoite these days service is probably pretty normal.

 

Airline software is so old now that fewer and fewer people are around that know how to keep it going. Banks are the same.

Good news is just as few people know how to hack it. It's like Scotty from Star Trek having to build a steam engine from scratch.

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5 hours ago, gadgetman said:

Flak damage? You have quite an imagination Nick. 

 

As above clearly a service vehicle impact. 

Number of people using laser pointers and reckless use of drones on the Heathrow approach would justify use of  this term. 

 

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5 hours ago, gadgetman said:

Flak damage? You have quite an imagination Nick. 

 

As above clearly a service vehicle impact. 

What type of turnaround service vehicle would damage the top of the leading edge of wing root ? De-icing peut-etre ?

Most of the turnaround service points are underneath the wings and fuselage, for obvious reasons.

 

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13 hours ago, Clunkclick said:

What type of turnaround service vehicle would damage the top of the leading edge of wing root ? De-icing peut-etre ?

Most of the turnaround service points are underneath the wings and fuselage, for obvious reasons.

 

N

 

An idiot with a passenger stairs?

A catering lift

A mewp accident by maintenace doing something unrelated

 

Unless it flew through a wormhole into an active warzone, Flak damage it isnt..

A laser pointer???

 

Past aeronautical incidents have been solved by you in seconds by worse photos... im disappointed here, youre slipping Nick ;)

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Tinfoil hats and the plethora of other usual suspect  accusations that are aimed in my direction on such occasions aside, look at the pic in this Wiki article:-

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATR_72

 

Its a high wing monoplane, with a low slung long fuselage, and engines near the wing root - designed for city to city, quick turnaround at airfields without full passenger facilities e.g. London City and no push-out corridors from the passenger waiting area.

 

No separate passenger stairs needed (They're built-in) - passenger entry ports and luggage stowage are well removed from the wing. And if you backed towards the wing root, you are more likely to hit the propellers first - those engine nacelles are very long.

 

My guess, damage caused in flight or whilst aircraft was undergoing periodic maintenance in hangars - knowing people that work in that area of the industry, that's one of their occupational bug bears, dropping something on a skin or in an orifice e.g. an engine.

 

With my  "Flak damage"  comment, please don't go as literal as GM - it was a term used with tongue planted firmly in cheek.

 

N

 

Postscript

 

Regardez:-

 

 

 

 

 

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Follow up... ive read the article, read the pprune, read this thread.

 

Nick, one of us is looking at the (only) picture upside down. The damage is on the under side of the lead not the top (as you said). Whose to say the service vehicle wasnt working on an adjacent aircraft and reversed into it? Or someone hit it with a long pole. 

Could it be in flight damage? Maybe, but if it was a drone, id expect more damage than that. And a bird strike would def be more obvious.. 

 

 

 

Cant rule out tiny aliens i spose

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42 minutes ago, mac11irl said:

Follow up... ive read the article, read the pprune, read this thread.

 

Nick, one of us is looking at the (only) picture upside down. The damage is on the under side of the lead not the top (as you said). Whose to say the service vehicle wasnt working on an adjacent aircraft and reversed into it? Or someone hit it with a long pole. 

Could it be in flight damage? Maybe, but if it was a drone, id expect more damage than that. And a bird strike would def be more obvious.. 

 

 

 

Cant rule out tiny aliens i spose

Could be a vehicle, could be runway or in-flight FOD, or even servicing damage. Something substantial, as the leading edge is usually constructed solidily.

 

If the damage is on the underside should have been spotted by whichever flight deck officer did the walk around.

 

The tiny aliens are probably in the BA board room -  apparently they outsourced BAs IT to TATA last year !

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17 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

 Which is what we all said earlier. 

Bearing in mind they wouldn't need stairs for the pax, or scissor ramp for the catering or baggage ('Cause the fuselage is so close to the groun a's needed is a  mobile conveyor), the only vehicles they'd need is for the fuel, the sullage honey sucker and mobile generator (To keep aircraft systems going during turnaround (No static aircraft PSU)) - only the fuelie would need to get close to the wing and, by convention, the bowser would be positioned behind the wing trailling edge and usually the underside fuel connections are mid-chord of the wing, nowhere near the leading edge.

 

In fact, if you look at the Quimper video, they didn't need any aircraft services during turnaround apart from what looked like a generator - pax just walked with hand luggage (Once the props had stopped rotating), driver didn't even do a walk-around - IATA compliant ? - they probably don't do walk around on the outlier leg, but what happens if its a round-robin trip schedule ?

 

 

Nick

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Clunkclick said:

Bearing in mind they wouldn't need stairs for the pax, or scissor ramp for the catering or baggage ('Cause the fuselage is so close to the groun a's needed is a  mobile conveyor), the only vehicles they'd need is for the fuel, the sullage honey sucker and mobile generator (To keep aircraft systems going during turnaround (No static aircraft PSU)) - only the fuelie would need to get close to the wing and, by convention, the bowser would be positioned behind the wing trailling edge and usually the underside fuel connections are mid-chord of the wing, nowhere near the leading edge.

 

Nick

 

 

Who said it was a vehicle servicing the plane itself? Could have been moving around the airfield and taking a shortcut believing it would clear the higher wing but clearly didn't. 

 

Hence why the damage wasn't detected by the pilot in their inspection. 

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On 2017-5-27 at 18:28, Aspman said:

TBH BA are so shoite these days service is probably pretty normal.

 

Airline software is so old now that fewer and fewer people are around that know how to keep it going. Banks are the same.

Good news is just as few people know how to hack it. It's like Scotty from Star Trek having to build a steam engine from scratch.


I know of a national retailer that discovered a Windows 3.1.1 machine still running an important business function in the wake of the recent Ransomware scare. Silly as it sounds, it's actually perfectly safe as there's nobody writing viruses for an OS that old.

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1 minute ago, Dr Zoidberg said:


I know of a national retailer that discovered a Windows 3.1.1 machine still running an important business function in the wake of the recent Ransomware scare. Silly as it sounds, it's actually perfectly safe as there's nobody writing viruses for an OS that old.

Im quite sure if i went rummaging in my dads old firesafe in his office id find a set of old

Win3.1.1 installation floppy discs .. 

And a win95 floppy install setup.. mmm 30odd of them if i recall...

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Re examining the picture again, in actual fact it looks like its a trailling edge flight surface e.g. flap, that's been damaged and it looks like the aircraft is transiting from a taxiway onto a main runway. So, piccy taken just before take-off ? If that's the case then, what's he doing with the flaps down whilst taxing - I believe that best practice is to stow flaps during taxiing as this is a classic way of getting flight control surface damage by FOD.

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28 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

Who said it was a vehicle servicing the plane itself? Could have been moving around the airfield and taking a shortcut believing it would clear the higher wing but clearly didn't. 

 

Hence why the damage wasn't detected by the pilot in their inspection. 

If  a vehicle hadn't been servicing that aircraft, he'd be motoring at something greater than close order manoeuvring speed and the damaged would be somewhat greater - just think of your beloved Skoda - it doesn't take much energy to make a hole like that - IMHO looks more like stone/FOD damage.  I'm no expert, perhaps someone  here has apron experience.

 

If the damage is to a flap , then its to the underside, how would a vehicle damage the underside of a flap without inflicting damage on the edge ?

 

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