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Hire van which some reports say was thru B&Q so should be a good lead but then it appears most of the attackers had no intention of being taken alive, wearing fake bomb waist coats, though it does appear than at least one has been taken alive.  This guy....

 

 

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All 3 attackers shot dead by police. 6 innocent people killed and 50 injured. The BBC were streaming live after midnight and they showed a phone video clip of the police in a bar shouting to everyone to get under the tables, as the clip ended you could clearly hear someone shout 'f***ing Muslim c***s. The BBC apologised for the language used. 

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Very sad to see this in the news again. Terrific response to the threat with the added twist over the Westminster attack of the fake suicide vests which would have changed the tactics used.

 

24 minutes ago, leckman said:

Again,really sad news.When will it end?.

 

Not for a long while until society changes. These people need to be outed by their own communities without alienated them too. Lifestyles will change with gated access to public areas and closed door policies where the door is locked until it opened from the inside to allow you access.

 

 

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1 hour ago, CWARD said:

Very sad to see this in the news again. Terrific response to the threat with the added twist over the Westminster attack of the fake suicide vests which would have changed the tactics used.

 

 

Not for a long while until society changes. These people need to be outed by their own communities without alienated them too. Lifestyles will change with gated access to public areas and closed door policies where the door is locked until it opened from the inside to allow you access.

 

 

The problem is giving them a hug like Corbyn wants isn't a solution. 

 

Neither is going all 1984. 

 

These people don't play by established Terrorist ways. They're indiscriminate, and will use any means necessary with little planning or traceable footprint. 

 

How do you stop small groups or lone wolf attacks? 

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32 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

Just to add you can't want extremists stopped, yet ignore non Muslim extremists like Britain First etc. 

If the initilal problem was addressed effectively in the first place, the second wouldn't arise, or at least not to the same extent.

 

UK is already part of a coalition who are AT WAR with Daesh and  whose armed forces have already been committed in another part of the World to fight and eliminate this Muslim extremist faction.

 

But we're not practising the same at home, or to the same extent . Why is that ?

 

How can you maintain an "Algernon" in town, "Algie" in the country defence policy  (In fact the reverse !) and be credible to this country's adversary's ?

 

This is running the country with "The bow doors open".

 

Nick

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35 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

The problem is giving them a hug like Corbyn wants isn't a solution. 

 

Neither is going all 1984. 

 

These people don't play by established Terrorist ways. They're indiscriminate, and will use any means necessary with little planning or traceable footprint. 

 

How do you stop small groups or lone wolf attacks? 

Just employ standard military force depletion strategy.

 

Being exceptionally, tolerant and politically correct (Like we all are on Briskoda) You arrest, imprison/deport/lose the 5,000 who are the greatest threat, wait till the level builds again and then do the same to the next 5,000 who fill the vacuum and so on.

 

Meanwhile, I'll start whistling a once popular Gene Pitney theme, in the hope that this post sees the light of day, publication wise.

 

Nick

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1 hour ago, CWARD said:

Very sad to see this in the news again. Terrific response to the threat with the added twist over the Westminster attack of the fake suicide vests which would have changed the tactics used.

 

 

Not for a long while until society changes. These people need to be outed by their own communities without alienated them too. Lifestyles will change with gated access to public areas and closed door policies where the door is locked until it opened from the inside to allow you access.

 

 

The Manchester bomber WAS outed, by his own family. Nothing done. Police cuts? Probably.

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10 minutes ago, Clunkclick said:

Just employ standard military force depletion strategy.

 

Being exceptionally, tolerant and politically correct (Like we all are on Briskoda) You arrest, imprison/deport/lose the 5,000 who are the greatest threat, wait till the level builds again and then do the same to the next 5,000 who fill the vacuum and so on.

 

Meanwhile, I'll start whistling a once popular Gene Pitney theme, in the hope that this post sees the light of day, publication wise.

 

Nick

Where do you deport the Manchester bomber and other people like him who were born and raised in the UK to, Nick?

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14 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

The Manchester bomber WAS outed, by his own family. Nothing done. Police cuts? Probably.

Were his father and brother arrested in Libya and suspected of supporting him? The community might have outed him, but someone within the community have supported / brainwashed / coerced him into carry out the atrocity.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, moley said:

Were his father and brother arrested in Libya and suspected of supporting him? The community might have outed him, but someone within the community have supported / brainwashed / coerced him into carry out the atrocity.

 

 

Are you talking about one community or two separate communities? One would have outed him, the other supported him.

This is where people stumble. Moderate Muslims would not have supported him and indeed they do 'out' radicalised people from within their own communities but moderate Muslims don't radicalise people.

Put it another way, imagine a computer hacker, a young geek in his bedroom trying to hack the FBI. His parents probably have no idea what he's up to or what he's watching online etc etc. The only people who know what he's up to are those within his own clique of hackers.

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If UK were southern California and we were all well-to-do middle class families who had the apple of their eye kidnapped and brainwashed by a cult, we'd engage a re-snatch and de-programming team to restore our beloved to the bosom of the family. . . . no chance in the UK of either of the two later propositions being fulfilled.

 

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Theresa May as the Home Secretary was probably more successful at having UK Police stopping football hooligans leaving the UK to cause trouble than she ever was with stopping people going to train or fight in various wars around the world when not members of the Armed Forces or the 'Civilian Operatives' that the UK lets Companies send around the world.

 

Very good Police Departments involved tracking those online involved in Football violence by monitoring the Social Media etc.

 

Theresa May and now Amber Rudd might just be the wrong people to be Home Secretaries,  maybe more like those in the past that were Involved in the Security Business while being paid as Elected Members. 

Maybe a MP with a background in Law & Order or Security / Armed Forces would be just the ticket.

 

David Davis if he is elected as a MP, not Iain Duncan Smith obviously as no point putting a chancer into the job,

Maybe some of the new younger MP's that have served in the Armed Forces in the last decade and who are qualified in dealing with professionals in the War against terrorism.

So that rules out Sir Michael Fallon and other Career Politicians that are only really into dealing with the Politics of staying a MP.

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3 hours ago, Awayoffski said:

Theresa May as the Home Secretary was probably more successful at having UK Police stopping football hooligans leaving the UK to cause trouble than she ever was with stopping people going to train or fight in various wars around the world when not members of the Armed Forces or the 'Civilian Operatives' that the UK lets Companies send around the world.

 

Very good Police Departments involved tracking those online involved in Football violence by monitoring the Social Media etc.

 

Theresa May and now Amber Rudd might just be the wrong people to be Home Secretaries,  maybe more like those in the past that were Involved in the Security Business while being paid as Elected Members. 

Maybe a MP with a background in Law & Order or Security / Armed Forces would be just the ticket.

Unlikely, unless Mafair, parts of Islington or St George's Hill /Ascot are hit ? - but there's probably too many concealed "Blackwater" type security guards operating on private land to make it viable even for the lone wolves.

 

Nick

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1 hour ago, Lee01 said:

Are you talking about one community or two separate communities? One would have outed him, the other supported him.

This is where people stumble. Moderate Muslims would not have supported him and indeed they do 'out' radicalised people from within their own communities but moderate Muslims don't radicalise people.

Put it another way, imagine a computer hacker, a young geek in his bedroom trying to hack the FBI. His parents probably have no idea what he's up to or what he's watching online etc etc. The only people who know what he's up to are those within his own clique of hackers.

You'll most likely find that it is 'communities' within a community where nobody really knows what everyone is doing, in any community there are factions. The Manchester bomber did not carry out the attack all by himself, he had recently returned from Libya via Germany. the police will be investigating who paid the tickets, or where did he get the money from, how did he get the materials or who supplied the materials to make the bomb.

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1 minute ago, moley said:

You'll most likely find that it is 'communities' within a community where nobody really knows what everyone is doing, in any community there are factions. The Manchester bomber did not carry out the attack all by himself, he had recently returned from Libya via Germany. the police will be investigating who paid the tickets, or where did he get the money from, how did he get the materials or who supplied the materials to make the bomb.

That's the point I was making with my 'hacker in a bedroom' analogy :/

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2 hours ago, gadgetman said:

The problem is giving them a hug like Corbyn wants isn't a solution. 

 

 

You can do better than that. I'm not a particular fan of him, but that's a fairly blatant misrepresentation of anything he has said on the subject. 

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2 hours ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

 

You can do better than that. I'm not a particular fan of him, but that's a fairly blatant misrepresentation of anything he has said on the subject. 

I paraphrase a bit, but he's a pacifist through and through. 

 

If a decision had to be taken such as a shoot to kill order should a situation warrant it, I'm not confident he would make that call. Even if it was to halt a Mumbai style attack. 

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4 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

I paraphrase a bit, but he's a pacifist through and through. 

 

If a decision had to be taken such as a shoot to kill order should a situation warrant it, I'm not confident he would make that call. Even if it was to halt a Mumbai style attack. 

Just because he wouldn't nuke people first thus killing millions of people in a no-win situation doesn't necessarily mean he would prevent a cop from shooting a terrorist dead in his tracks.

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