TSI oil change

[nicknorman]

My tsi 280 has now done 20,000 miles. I had I serviced at 13,000 and there is another 10,000 or so to go to the next variable service, but I thought I’d treat it to an intermediate oil change. What a doddle it is to do compared to cars I’ve had before. No need to remove any undertrays, the plastic sump drain plug is removed with a screwdriver, it’s not tight. The oil filter couldn’t be more accessible really, and doesn’t result in any spillage if you remove it slowly. Genuine filter and new plastic drain plug bought from TPS, some lovely Mobil 1 from Opie. Fitted new O ring (comes with the oil filter) to filter housing, popped the new filter in, torqued housing to 25nm, popped the drain plug in with screwdriver (not tightly, it clicks / locks into place when it’s screwed in enough). Refilled with 4.6 litres of oil (yes, it holds quite a lot) and Bob’s your uncle. Modern cars are so easy to work on, it’s a shame that so many people are frightened of their complexity.

[nicknorman]

Sorry mistake : 5.6 litres of oil. In fact having taken it for a spin it’s still only 2/3rds the way up the dipstick range, so looks like it’s going to take nearer 6 litres (which is what I ordered). Interestingly at the first service done by the dealer, they put 4.6 litres of oil on the invoice. Not that it affected the overall price.

[JR RS]

I plan to do mine soon. 

I've got the 220, but I assume it would be very similar.

Coming up to 6 months since new - 12 months is too long between service.

For my peace of mind anyway.

[nicknorman]

10 hours ago, JR RS said:

I plan to do mine soon. 

I've got the 220, but I assume it would be very similar.

Coming up to 6 months since new - 12 months is too long between service.

For my peace of mind anyway.

 I think it will be identical. Don't forget to order 6 litres of oil!

[RGKTSi]

Yep agreed on early oil change.  My cars a 280 collected in March 17.  Wanted it set by the factory to fixed servicing, hate with a passion variable servicing.  

 

Once it had done 4.5K miles in for an oil and filter change (+ sump plug) at my local VW/Audi specialist.  I could have done it myself, done plenty of service items, brakes etc. over the years by couldn't be bothered if I am being honest.

 

Defo piece of mind that the car has fresh oil now she is fully run in and the taps have been fully opened.  Love this car.

 

I went with Castrol 5w 30 long life 504.00 spec oil as I can get this cheap in Costco.  And its what the car came with new, no other reason.  If I was to choose another oil may go with Motul as it was good in my riding superbike days

 

 

[a-1]

I was told to follow manual, which said, next service @ 10K miles, mine done 3,3K so far. I'm on 1.8TSI, despite my bitter experience with second gen. 1.8 tsi .

[skidpan]

15 hours ago, a-1 said:

I was told to follow manual, which said, next service @ 10K miles, mine done 3,3K so far. I'm on 1.8TSI, despite my bitter experience with second gen. 1.8 tsi .

 

But they don't sell a MK3 1.8 TSi in the UK.

 

As far as I remember the last I visited Sheffield it was in Yorkshire which was part of the UK. Will be going next Tuesday, will check on the satnav where it is.

[a-1]

very funny, on your satnav you probably wouldn't notice, there is a lot folks from overseas, and yes, my new superb has steering wheel on wrong side ;-)

[IJWS15]

On 11/24/2017 at 19:21, nicknorman said:

Sorry mistake : 5.6 litres of oil. In fact having taken it for a spin it’s still only 2/3rds the way up the dipstick range, so looks like it’s going to take nearer 6 litres (which is what I ordered). Interestingly at the first service done by the dealer, they put 4.6 litres of oil on the invoice. Not that it affected the overall price.

 

With wife's first Fiesta I queried the first service invoice asking "Have you really put that much in?" as the stated quantity was about 1 1/2 litres more that should have gone in

 

The explanation was that this was purely an admin quantity for cost transfer between parts and service, the oil level on the dipstick was correct. 

[BriskodaJeff]

On ‎28‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 21:36, RGKTSi said:

Yep agreed on early oil change.  My cars a 280 collected in March 17.  

 

Once it had done 4.5K miles in for an oil and filter change (+ sump plug) at my local VW/Audi specialist.  

 

Quick question if I may - did you do this because it is a 280, or would you have done the same with a lower powered car? I'm picking up my new-to-me L&K 190 (TDI) in a couple of weeks. It is 6 months old and has c7k miles - ex-demo. Should I be taking it straight in for an oil change, or is it not needed on mine?

[Ootohere]

Up to you, doing an oil and filter change might be a good idea as you have no idea how the car has been treated since the PDI.

Ex Demo, Management Car, Courtesy car, Managers / Dealer Principals, or Hire car.

 

Is it on Variable Servicing now or fixed and due an oil change as set in 6 months, 3,000 miles?

, and would your mileage or use be worth changing to Fixed servicing now.  offer the dealership £50 to get the oil changed before collection or just contact them and ask, will you do it please,  they are making enough selling the Demonstrator they had a good tax break on from HMRC.

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Is the car a keeper or will you be moving it on in a year or 2?

 

Only cost would be the Oil & Filter & sump plug, reset to Fixed and service in 12 months, 

and this would still be less than the 24 month / 18,500 mile or so the Indicator was as 6 months ago as it arrived off the transporter.

http://volkswagen.co.uk/owners/servicing/regimes 

Edited 22 December, 2017 by AwaoffSki

[BriskodaJeff]

Thanks AwaoffSki - all valid. Think I will give it a couple of weeks to identify any warranty items I need doing then get the oil and filter changed at the same time. Will stick with variable servicing (which it is currently on) though. Not about cost, but time. I do 25-35k miles pa and don't really want it in the dealer 2-3 times a year for routine servicing. If I carry on at that rate of mileage it will probably go at the end of the warranty period. If not, I will be keeping it for at least another year after the warranty expires. Apologies for the thread hijack.

[Ootohere]

If on Variable servicing still that suggests it was not a Skoda Main dealership Demonstrator,  so is it Skoda UK that is the first Registered Keeper / VW Finance or a 

Skoda Main Dealer?

[BriskodaJeff]

Skoda UK, then moved on to the dealer to use as a demonstrator according to the salesman. Will be checking the paperwork when I go to pick it up.

[Ootohere]

So 3 months / 3,000 miles with Skoda UK / VW Group as owners, then the Dealership get ownership / big saving on a car they had from new and sell as an Ex Demonstrator.

Not much the paperwork can show.

Skoda UK were First Registering a decent number in that quarter / 6 months or year and VW Group are saying how the Dieselgate is not affection first registrations.

 

Car has 1 previous registered keeper and no idea how many various drivers.  2nd Registered Keeper will be you. 

[nicknorman]

On 22/12/2017 at 10:09, AwaoffSki said:

If on Variable servicing still that suggests it was not a Skoda Main dealership Demonstrator,  so is it Skoda UK that is the first Registered Keeper / VW Finance or a 

Skoda Main Dealer?

My car was owned by a Skoda dealer  (West End, Stirling) and driven by the manager for the first 6 months before I bought it, it was still on variable servicing.

Edited 23 December, 2017 by nicknorman

[Ootohere]

Good. 

You checked, and that was fine, it is what people need to do if concerned. 

Was it owned by Skoda until the dealership owned it, and did he only drive it, or was it actually a demonstrator that he kept his or her  personal belongings in?

 

So many Managers for these various dealerships, workshop, sales, finance, etc.

No wonder VW Group have advertised so many 'Ex Management cars'.

 

The old days of clocking up cars to bring into Mainland Britain' from the Channel Islands is well over decades ago, for the tax break..

amazing how many Demonstrators and other Management cars get 3,000 miles on in 3 months though.

Edited 23 December, 2017 by AwaoffSki

[nicknorman]

Just now, AwaoffSki said:

Good. 

You checked, and that was fine, it is what people need to do if concerned. 

Was it owned by Skoda until the dealership owned it, and did he only drive it, or was it actually a demonstrator that he kept his personal belongings in?

The dealership was the first owner. Who knows who got to drive it, but he certainly gave the impression he used it for his personal transport,and thoroughly enjoyed it. It had done about 9k in 6 months which is too much for a demonstrator for a limited-sales model. He told me he was downgrading to a 220.

[Ootohere]

First registered keeper, did money pass hands at that point???

[nicknorman]

2 minutes ago, AwaoffSki said:

First registered keeper, did money pass hands at that point???

Yes first registered keeper. Obviously I’ve no idea when money changed hands, but I would imagine there is some deal with Skoda UK whereby the garages get new cars to drive around in and are then sold off after a few months, significantly cheaper due in part  to VAT. It’s a good way for Skoda to boost their sales. I’m sure it isn’t something that the individual dealers do off their own initiative and at their own risk.

[Ootohere]

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Never worked in car dealerships or Dealership groups have you?

 

The point is, if he or she is an Area Manager and the likes then a Fleet Car might well not be a Demonstrator, but their work vehicle, 

Still VW Finance,, Skoda, Lease or Dealership registered.

 

Your car is the one you bought so someone looking at a TDI Business Spec car needs to check theirs out, make a decision on fact and not sales spiel.

 

So you know what you are told, and then believe if believable,  and if in doubt maybe service as if it was a 'hire car; 

Started from cold and thrashed.

Edited 23 December, 2017 by AwaoffSki

[nicknorman]

1 hour ago, AwaoffSki said:

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Never worked in car dealerships or Dealership groups have you?

 

The point is, if he or she is an Area Manager and the likes then a Fleet Car might well not be a Demonstrator, but their work vehicle, 

Still VW Finance,, Skoda, Lease or Dealership registered.

 

Your car is the one you bought so someone looking at a TDI Business Spec car needs to check theirs out, make a decision on fact and not sales spiel.

 

So you know what you are told, and then believe if believable,  and if in doubt maybe service as if it was a 'hire car; 

Started from cold and thrashed.

I’m not sure how anyone can work out how a second hand car has be used/driven by whom. Surely the only evidence is who was the registered keeper?

[Ootohere]

Exactly.

& who the registered keeper was means nothing, that little Old Lady with the Driving School & her Cousin with Hire Company Mrs Hertz.

Or my Mum with her car never raced or rallied as far as she knows it, but then she is never in it i am.

 

Motability Finance Vehicles with the V5 in the person leasings name and 3 insured drivers, 

and those 3 can change plenty in 3 years.

Edited 23 December, 2017 by AwaoffSki

[BriskodaJeff]

Just thought I'd bump this one. I bought the 190 2.0TDI L&K in mid-January with 7k miles on it and am really happy with it. On the order form it said "Variable Servicing" but yesterday, on reaching 8,800 miles, it told me it would need an oil service in 1,100 miles time. Being a cynical type, I suspect the dealer has changed it to fixed servicing as part of preparing it for me. Not actually a problem - I had planned to have the first oil change done at 10k based on advice received here. But a bit miffed that they would change it without at least asking (if they have - it seems a weird coincidence though). It's going in at the end of the month to be done and I have asked that they use long-life oil and return it to variable so I'm not in there 3 times a year. So a word to the wise - even if your order form says it's on variable servicing, it might not be when you get it!

[IJWS15]

On 12/23/2017 at 13:47, AwaoffSki said:

Good. 

You checked, and that was fine, it is what people need to do if concerned. 

Was it owned by Skoda until the dealership owned it, and did he only drive it, or was it actually a demonstrator that he kept his or her  personal belongings in?

 

So many Managers for these various dealerships, workshop, sales, finance, etc.

No wonder VW Group have advertised so many 'Ex Management cars'.

 

 

 

The dealers are franchised, not part of VW Group.  A dealer owned car is not the same as a VW Group Car.

 

Son works for Leaseplan which until last year was part of VW Group.  He had cars for six months at a time, cheap, good spec but not much choice of model or colour (I forget how many 2.0 (190 ish hp) diesel A5/A6 S lines with lots of extras he had (one over £8k worth of audio/nav system upgrades he didn't ask for)).  Number plates have an MK postcode on them and either "Audi UK", "SEAT UK" or "VW UK" - yes he did have one SEAT.  

 

They have to collect/deliver from Milton Keynes so took him in when he collected his first car as he didn't have one to go back - it is quite a big operation with full time RAC technicians checking the returned cars, including using torches for checking paintwork - anything over the allowance is docked from salary.