Turbo Explosion after NOX Remap

[nmuncaster]

I had the NOX emission remap in Dec 17, had a number of issues with the car over revving to it all to come to a head today where the turbo has blown and full engine failure. No indication of this. I have been having to do a DPF regen every 2 weeks or so eventually leading to today’s events. I have raised a HUGE complaint with Skoda. Has anyone else had a similar story since the NOX remap or am I one in a million.
The fact that the turbo blew, in 5th gear at 70mph on the motorway could have been FATAL.
Would be intrigued to see if there are similar stories out there to add fuel to the fire with the claim. VW’s emissions resolution is evidently causing MAJOR issues with our vehicles and need to be held accountable before somebody dies!
Please reply with any advice!
 

[Rooted]

 

 

So you had the VW Fix.  New Engine Management and the Flow device fitted?

 

There are loads of Threads and post all over BRISKODA in various sections on that.

Have a look at the pinned thread in General Car chat.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/434714-emmisions-fix-and-rip-off-britain 

 

I hope it is more than a complaint you have raised and an Official Report of a failure.

This can go to the DVSA / DfT as well.

 

Are Skoda / VW dealing with your car, having it collected and repaired since they gave you a 24 month Guarantee with the Trust Building Measures'. ?

http://skoda.co.uk/about-us/contact-us 

Edited 17 February, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[AGFalco]

Should this be in the Fabia Mark II section.

I don't think any Fabia Mark III's have been recalled for that 'Fix'

All the diesels in the Fabia mark III's are 3 pot 1.4 Litre engines.

 

How full was your oil level just before the event?

 

Thanks AG Falco

[SeaGoat]

Sounds like a very scary experience, I hope you get somewhere with Skoda.
I can't understand why the Government has not increased the tax on diesel fuel and why manufacturers are still selling diesel cars.

[Rooted]

Now manufacturers are dropping diesels. 

Well certainly the importation or manufacturing in the UK.

 

Why so slow?

likely because since Margaret Thatcher MP was involved in Industry / Science / Transport the UK Governments encouraged Business / Commercial users and individuals to go diesel 

and have skinned the public with Taxes & Duties and tax on a tax anyway.

See JOHN GUMMER AKA LORD DEBEN.

Plenty in power in the past and still running the country with memory loss.

Google 

ministers were warned in 1993 of toxic diesels 

 

People & Business's have Diesels because they need them and others because they want them and maybe do not need them,

but are not in a position to just get rid of them, and that was more than 50% of UK Registered Vehicles.

 

The fact that junior & senior MP's that were there when Margeret Thatcher MP was involved with Transport then as the Prime Minister are still in the UK Government and Westminster and in the House of Lords and some have been Transport Ministers while VW Group and others conned the People and Governments & the EU Countries that were conspiring to allow cheating is why you can not punish the general public.

So Conservatives, Labour and even Con / Dem Governments have done Jack Sh!t!.

 

VW Emissions Cheating, Defeat Devices and The Fix and the failure of components and now the Safety Critical Failures is for Chris Grayling MP, Michael Gove MP, 

Philip Hammond MP to sort out,  and the Ex Ministers and now Lords of the Realm that knew all about what was going on.

Lord Michael Heseltine the Owner of Haymarket Media Group/ What Car, Autocar, Pistonheads is not so stupid that he was not an advisor to many, 

Bentley / VW / David Cameron MP / PM.

Or the Ex Chairman of the Conservatives & Unionist Party & Ex Minister for Transport as the VW Scandal broke. Sir Patrick McLoughlin MP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_McLoughlin 

 

Edited 18 February, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[GeneralPurpose]

Sorry to hear you have a problem like this. If I were you I would be looking elsewhere for the problem as a nox remap won't cause this issue. I speak as an ex-tech and engine design and development engineer. 

[Rooted]

lol,

spoken like an ex tech, and current VW techs, and the VW CEO UK Paul Willis, and various VW media people.

Things happen, cause and affect.   Turbo failings of 1.6 TDI CR Euro 5 not long after the fix being something that has happened.

 

So is happening, along with other failures.  No point saying, no nae never, no nae never no chance.

Maybe not in huge numbers but then not in only the 1 or 2 % of failing vehicles VW would want the UK MP's and the public to believe.

 

More honesty and openness required.

 

Edited 18 February, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[SurreyJohn]

Sorry to hear you have turbo failure

If it is a 2011 car, should be in Fabia mk2 section

 

A remap won’t cause a fully working turbo to fail, I detect a coincidence being used as the blame.  Turbos normally fail because of oil feed blockages due to sooting up.

 

Normally it is combination of poorer quality fuel, extended service intervals, and number of short journeys from cold.   Virtually all problems have been due to worn injectors on cars that have done 80,000+ miles where oil was only changed at maximum (or beyond max) service intervals.

 

You didn’t indicate your mileage, or if you changed oil every year, or when last service was.  Had the car been fully serviced on time through its life?

 

Your reference to needing to do a DPF regen every 2 weeks suggests it needed DPF replacing or fully cleaning, but you hadn’t had it done.  If the engine was that sooted up, not surprising the turbo got oil starved and eventually blew up.   

 

In my mind, your complaint should be against whoever serviced it (apparently poorly) rather than against Skoda, or VW group.  Why was the DPF not changed or cleaned if it gave problems every 2 weeks.

 

 

Edited 18 February, 2018 by SurreyJohn

[Rooted]

It is not a remap though,  defeat device software removed,  new engine management and a plastic flow device all free from the VW group. And 24 month guarantee / trust building measure they can now honour.  

[john999boy]

Duplicate topics merged.

[chimaera]

Turbos usually die from a lubrication failure, either because the shaft bearings are worn from use, or from poor maintenance. By the sounds of it, your car suffered a diesel runaway, caused when the turbo shaft seals fail completely letting lubricating oil through to the intake where the engine uses it as fuel and revs out of control until all the oil is consumed or the moving parts break under the stress.

 

It takes time for a failure like this to occur, a lot longer than the three months since your car had the update. A competent mechanic should have been able to pick this up long before it became a catastrophic failure.

 

Your frequent DPF regens are very likely down to the fact that your turbo was failing to provide enough air any more and as a result the engine was running rich and dumping soot out to the DPF, causing it to regenerate a lot more often. Granted, it's easy to deduce this after the fact, but again a competent mechanic should have been able to put 2 and 2 together. I'll bet you were topping up your oil a lot more often in the last several months too?

 

This failure has nothing to do with the NOx update and everything to do with the overall maintenance history of the vehicle. If your full service history is with Skoda then you could put a solid case for goodwill to them. If it's from independent mechanics, Skoda UK will send you a polite refusal to your claim and wash their hands of it: not their problem if your vehicle wasn't maintained to their specification.

 

There's to my mind a growing problem on forums now where a subset of users want to blame the EA189 update for every possible problem on any car that's had it. This has grown to an almost religious level of fanaticism for some, and anyone who tries to take a rational view of the matter gets branded a fanboy or somesuch. NEWSFLASH: the real world is a murky shade of grey, not the black or white you'd like it to be.

 

Unfortunately, this is blinding people to the actual causes of problems on their cars and resulting in failures that might have been caught on time otherwise.

[Rooted]

So if the VW Group were not just wanting to get as many vehicles that had Defeat Devices or no defeat device counted of as being Fixed 

they would be discussing with owners the issues.

The risks, the engines that are used, abused or maybe just Main Dealer Serviced that could have failures because there are risks.

Review the engine, exhaust system and the service history.

 

Only that is not what they do, they just gave a 'Trust Building Measure' 24 months sort of guarantee of no adverse affects from allowing them to tick off another vehicle through the system.

 

So the ball is in their hands.  You can not just wash your hands of vehicles that you invite in and then turn out to be bag bag of sh!te.

Vorsprung Durch Technik.   ****e in ****e out, but then it was VW Group that produced the ****e, so clean it up!

[Rooted]

If the failure rate is so low, then paying a few grand to repair a few cars are no skin off their noses. 

'Trust building measures, require building peoples trust'.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/425981-vw-emissions-fix-epic-failure  

[vxh26]

9 hours ago, AwaoffSki said:

If the failure rate is so low, then paying a few grand to repair a few cars are no skin off their noses.

 

I think that the (reasonable) point here is that no manufacturer should be expected to rectify a problem for which they are not responsible.

 

The consensus, informed view in this thread seems to be that the problem was probably down to lubrication failure rather than the "dieselgate fix". Personally, I would be looking at the Garage / Mechanic that last worked on the car.

 

As is so often the case with requests for help / advice, it might help matters if the OP had given a bit more detail about the car, its mileage, its service history and how it is used.

[Rooted]

vxh26/vxh28,

No they should not be responsible for rectifying any fault they had nothing to do with causing.

*********

Just this below.   They can say, 'on your bike, get out of here your car is gubbed, less than 7 years old, but nothing to do with us'.

'We just changed the engine management to satisfy EU Governments and modified the air intake with no benefit to yourself'.

http://skoda.co.uk/owners/dieselinfo/trust-building-measure 

 

So they called in the cars 1.2 million UK vehicles that they accepted they would do a voluntary recall on and they gave evidence to a Select Transport Committee, 

and the UK Government and the public there would be no adverse affect on vehicles that the made able to pass a test that no car is undergoing 

since already road registered, and then the gave a statement and an assurance to owners. a 'Trust Building measure'.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/425981-vw-emissions-fix-epic-failure 

So VW Group will not be rectifying anything they are not responsible for, will they?    

Maybe do more googles or what ever searches and see what other vehicles they are paying to rectify, 

that also will not be their responsibility.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/434714-emmisions-fix-and-rip-off-britain 

 

Odd how always the blame goes on the driver / owner, the person that just buys and drives a car, then takes it in for The Fix.

They buy a used or new car from a Main Dealers and driving it for Social, Domestic, Pleasure and business / commuting 

and somehow that is not what they are built for!

If you look at the Members posts you will see where you purchased his Fabia.

& here is a bit of the story.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/441991-fault-with-my-skoda-fabia-16-tdi-dpf-se 

 

The Person doing the Recall Action in December 2017 would be a Main Dealership or Mobile VW Trained technician.

Loading the new engine management and fitting the flow rectifier, and surely checking the oil, air filter etc if the car was not in for a service at the time.

 

So as suggested by 'vxh 26'  AKA vxh28,

that would be where to go back to as suggested if that was the last 'Garage / Mechanic that worked on the car'.

Or to Skoda / VW that paid for that work to be done.

 

Technically safe until the measures are implemented.

Maybe not so afterwards though!.   On a Motorway or any road as you lose power or the turbo.

 

Edited 19 February, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[GeneralPurpose]

AwaoffSki, didn't think it would be long before our 'google champion' stuck his oar in...lol. You clearly need to read and listen more carefully to your own material. You go off on a tangent often missing the point of the OP and you clearly know more about engines than us techs and engineers don't you!...  The OP's car could not have been affected by the 'fix' causing the turbo to explode. He has unfortunately suffered from an existing turbo/engine fault. Easily spotted and prevented  if he had recognised the symptoms.

Edited 19 February, 2018 by Estate Man

[SurreyJohn]

1 hour ago, Estate Man said:

AwaoffSki, didn't think it would be long before our 'google champion' stuck his oar in...lol. You clearly need to read and listen more carefully to your own material. You go off on a tangent often missing the point of the OP and you clearly know more about engines than us techs and engineers don't you!...  The OP's car could not have been affected by the 'fix' causing the turbo to explode. He has unfortunately suffered from an existing turbo/engine fault. Easily spotted and prevented  if he had recognised the symptoms.

 

This is very true, what we do not know because the OP did not state was if at the time of the fix the mechanic spotted a problem, but work was declined.   Therefore I agree Awaoffski has gone wayoff topic

 

Even if the turbo problem hadn't been spotted in December  (it might have been early days of starting to fail), and we don't know how many miles it had done since, that doesn't explain why the car was needing a regen every 2 weeks, but no action was taken to rectify this problem.   The Op even states there were running on problems (with nothing to suggest they had been fixed) If oil levels kept changing that would also have indicated something needed fixing.  Sorry but as others have said this looks like ignoring a fault (actually multiple faults) which eventually got so bad, it went bang.

 

Personally if I had a car which was over revving (to use the OPs term), I wouldn't be taking it for a blast down the motorway.  Sounds pretty dangerous to me

 

Edited 19 February, 2018 by SurreyJohn

[Rooted]

Hopefully nmuncaster will be back along to fill us in.

maybe greenstripe as well with any update.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/425981-vw-emission-fix-epic-failure 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/435229-ea-189-nox-emissions-recall 

 

 

VEM0001-Volkswagen-Diesel-Customer-Forum.pdf

 

 

Edited 20 February, 2018 by AwaoffSki