LostShepherd

@Ootohere Not sure of the need for that comment but it's come off rude and a bit petty there, you've made assumptions about my driving style and ultimately character that are just not true. I certainly would never tail gate anyone nor use full beams behind another car, that may be what you understand from overtaking but its certainly not my style. I drive on or below the speed limits consistently but I have a decent 18 miles stretch of small windy road with lots of agricultural traffic to navigate on it before getting home. I respect that others on the road are not comfortable overtaking on such and I have no problem with that, but I am comfortable overtaking. I know the roads like the back of my hand and am more than capable of judging the conditions and have confidence when the vehicle I am driving is up to the task. I don't feel I have to be a prisoner to other peoples driving styles anymore than anyone else should be a prisoner to mine, there is no crime in that or anything to apologize for on my behalf. There is nothing wrong with having a vehicle with a bit of "growl", someday I won't be able to manage a machine like that, but I am more than up to the task today so I will enjoy it, whether its your cup of tea or not quite frankly.

@Ootohere I've no doubt the 1.4TSI is a fine motor but I'm looking more from the driving experience than it to just get along fine, I want a bit of growl and power in the car.

@leolito You nailed my thinking with your real world experience 👍the LPG can let you have a high spec'd performance car without the bills and as long as you maintain it and hold onto it for a good while it's definitely worth the cost of conversion. I definitely enjoy the 'point and shoot' style of driving, I adhere to the speed limits but am most certainly not going to be sitting behind slow moving traffic. Thanks for replying 👍

@Ootohere Still selling them as far as I know, you can get the new Duster and Sandero \ Step as Bi Fuel in 2023\4 models. I went to try them out a couple of weeks back to see if they would fit the bill, just couldn't take the 1ltr engines, not knocking them though they are a brilliant price point.

Its a good plan to run figures like that so thanks for taking the time all and giving examples 👍much appreciated and it made me work out my own sums. So my mileage is more like 20k per year, but can actually be a lot more as my better half likes to take the Skoda for the commute when I am WFH as it is more comfortable, but I'll keep it on the low side initially for this so we'll say 20k miles. These are the average fuel prices here, Petrol £1.45, Diesel £1.52 (consistently 5-10p > Unleaded for some reason) , LPG 80p, working off a 50ltr tank for a baseline. Assuming mpg figures of 35 Petrol, 45 Diesel & 29.5 LPG. Assuming a quality LPG installation (guys I plan to use have a very good reputation) I found that LPG saves me about £600 a year over the diesel, its 40 fills of diesel V 61 fills of LPG assuming a 50ltr tank (I know the LPG tank doesn't hold the full amount spec'd, as it has to allow for expansion, so it might be > 61 physical fills but the same volume of fuel if that makes sense!). I suspect my actual mileage is closer to 25k though, which then starts bringing me up to the £800 range of saving annually. So it probably will be 3 years before I get a return on it, which I can live with happily as when I get a nice car I tend to hold onto it forever. I think that is the scenario in which it does work, when you keep the car and benefit from the low priced fuel for several years. I'm really not expecting any quick returns on it, which is why its important to go for a car I'll be happy with for a long time hence the L&K and the performance aspect. I know there are no guarantees on LPG availability or price, but they have been predicting its demise for 20 years and there are still plenty of stations selling it and now we have Dacia, a major car manufacturer shipping new factory ready bi fuel models in the uk, I can't imagine they would be doing if they thought it was about to disappear. The price will always be better relative to petrol and diesel as long as the government keeps acknowledging it as a clean fuel, no guarantees there either, so there is a risk that has to be accepted with eyes wide open. If the decision was just based on economy I wouldn't even be thinking of the 1.4TSI or any superb in fact, I'd be going straight to the Dacia, so there is more than costs at play in the calculation, its also getting to have the spec on the L&K along with the performance, but I don't think I'd want to run that car solely on petrol as it would be expensive, why would I when I have an LPG garage less than a mile away and on my commuting route. Can't even begin to think about pure electric as I just don't believe the tech is quite there yet and it is still just way too expensive. I was hoping some other Superb drivers would have done this LPG conversion but it seems to not be the case, if it does all happen I'll try and get accurate figures about performance, costs etc and general hassle, was it worth it etc.

@Ootohere I meant £13 extra a year for insurance not £13 total, would be great though if it were that!

Ok we'll have to agree to disagree on that one then, outside estimate is 24months. Insurance wise it cost £13 per annum provided it is done with a registered certified installer and is recorded on drivelpg co.uk, so no big cost to it on that front at least. I've no idea why the Audi is being converted, I'm only guessing, the installer only mentioned it when I prompted him by asking if there were any implications for higher bhp cars, he gave that one as an example, I assume as it was fresh in his head.

@numskull Rough cost quoted by the installer was £1800 plus vat. On my miles and current prices I should be breaking even in 18months on the conversion.

@Winston_Woof sry read it wrong thought you had the hybrid. I get about 43mpg out of my DSI as well.

Cheers its certainly food for thought, for me it's a balancing act between keeping a good performance level and minimising costs. The LPG in a higher performing car can provide that I think. I thought about the Dacia a nice cheap well thought out solution, just couldn't live with the performance and comfort levels in them. My current superb is pretty nippy, they might be an estate but they can move, I think folk are often surprised by the pickup. I spoke to the installer this morning he's installing a conversion on a 400bhp Audi ATM so I can only guess there are others out there having the same thought re balancing performance and fuel economy. At this stage I think I am set on trying this my only real concern is the age at 8 years old. I think the economics balance out of you hold the car for long enough which I always do, have never given up a car until about 7 years of ownership, will an 8 year old car last another 7 years though?

Cheers for the responses. @Numskull In terms of the performance a small dip at this level wouldn't bother me tbh it'll still be a big step up from the 170BHP I am on at the minute. I was expecting a 60ltr LPG tank to fill to about 48ltrs and to get 85% efficiency in it compared to petrol, so hopefully that the conversion would pay for itself reasonably quickly. But I might be dreaming not sure. I'm honestly not too worried about the LPG disappearing from my local garage it's family run and used a lot, they've assured me they have no intent to remove it and I have a back up station further down the road. @MarkyG82 Cheers for the info re. the IV, sounds like it's maybe not the ideal motorway commute car Nothing wrong with the TDI other than the cost of diesel, £152.9 with us consistently whereas the LPG is 80-85p consistently. I love the TDI but the extra power and high spec of the L&K is very tempting, I'm definitely falling into heart over head territory I think. My plan would be to keep the L&K until it basically falls apart, I'm not sure how long you would tend to get from a well maintained and carefully driver 2016 Superb Estate.

Hi, I am wondering if any one has converted the L&K 2016 Superb Estate (or any other Superb Estate) to LPG, the 276Bhp 4x4 model ? I have a chance to get one to replace my 2015 2ltr DSG Elegance estate (which I love) but as a diesel I cannot convert it. I do a reasonable amount of miles with a 120mile round trip commute 2 to 3 times a week. I really love the look & spec of the L&K and the miles are low, my only concern is that I could get a 21 IV 1.4 tsi hybrid for about the same money and it's 3 years old vs 8. Performance is important to me though as about a 1/4 of my journey is on smaller roads where I want to be able to overtake quickly and safely. I have 2 LPG garages on my commute route as well so even with the reduced mpg on the 2ltr it would still be way cheaper in the long run. Any thoughts on the LPG conversion or the IV vs L&K conundrum in general? Cheers, LS

It'd be price of a new car if I got at it 🤣

I feel exactly the same way I just use my trusted local one man garage for everything I can, only go to the main dealer for things I have to. I got totally sickened when the main dealer would not fix some rust that was bubbling up from the inside on the boot lid, swore I'd only use them when I had to after that and would never buy from them again, car was only 4 years old!

It's just shameless there's no way things legitimately cost that much more nowadays.