Hi! I ordered a 2.0 TSI in august, only to now notice that the 2.0 TDI will get a significant drop in emissions from 2021, translating to a £4000 price drop in taxes where I live. So the 2.0 TDI is now £2000 cheaper than the 2.0 TSI. Has anyone else looked into this change? I thought this would be big news, but I haven't seen anyone else discussing it here.

 

This means that the TDI now has lower emissions for both CO2 and NoX, so it's more friendly to the environment. And the TDI is a stronger and more efficient engine than the petrol sibling. Now it is also cheaper and (as before) gives more MPG.

 

Was it a mistake to order the TSI? I thought diesel engines were being showed the door.

@Quodiaq  Since the saving you post is in the GBP can i assume you live in the UK?

 

Lower under the WLTP regime, no idea if truly lower if you put people and stuff in the car and drive on real roads in real weather, maybe with roof bars and a caravan behind.

Edited 16 October, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

No, Scandinavian citizen here. I just (roughly) converted the amount from my local currency to GBP.

Not sure what these lower co2 levels are on the Kodiaq or whether you are looking at front or 4WD but the February 2020 Superb I'm about to buy has amazingly low 101gm/km emissions which gives 72mpg on the combined cycle with upto 78mpg on the highway or over 1,000 miles per 66 litre tank (1,600km).

Here are the numbers from a local brochure:

 

 

@shyVRS245

My FWD 2.0TDI SCR DSG 2016 SEAT Alhambra which was i thought the last of the great VW Group cheaters could easily do 630 miles with a 63 litre tank and using 'Coasting function' do the same journeys and get 730 miles plus.

 

EDIT, that was with passengers and luggage.

 

I am looking forward to what you get with your new car.

Edited 16 October, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

My 2.0 litre turbo petrol Superb despite 4WD and the 7 speed DSG only has 161gm/km for comparison and weighs 1,660kg. Sportline Plus 272 hatch about to swap for 150PS diesel hatch 7 speed DSG Superb SEL.

34 minutes ago, Quodiaq said:

Hi! I ordered a 2.0 TSI in august, only to now notice that the 2.0 TDI will get a significant drop in emissions from 2021, translating to a £4000 price drop in taxes where I live. So the 2.0 TDI is now £2000 cheaper than the 2.0 TSI. Has anyone else looked into this change? I thought this would be big news, but I haven't seen anyone else discussing it here.

 

This means that the TDI now has lower emissions for both CO2 and NoX, so it's more friendly to the environment. And the TDI is a stronger and more efficient engine than the petrol sibling. Now it is also cheaper and (as before) gives more MPG.

 

Was it a mistake to order the TSI? I thought diesel engines were being showed the door.

There's a load of factors that go into a new car decision, so it's hard to say if your choice is a mistake or not.

But if you swapped car primarily to save money, and your new TSI is going to cost more to run than the equivalent TDI, then arguably it's a mistake, if saving money was your primary motivation for changing car.

Personally I was more concerned about reliability than cost/mile, and I figured a modern TSI would be more reliable for lots of short journeys than a modern TDI.

That may turn out to be a mistake, time will tell.

Fuel saving / economy can go out the window for some with a TDI used in low ambient temps and on short jaunts where the engine oil might never be getting near the 80's Degree C time after time.

Then there is the fuel used when you are having regens because after all the WLTP regime never has the test vehicles doing regens....

5 minutes ago, EnterName said:

There's a load of factors that go into a new car decision, so it's hard to say if your choice is a mistake or not.

But if you swapped car primarily to save money, and your new TSI is going to cost more to run than the equivalent TDI, then arguably it's a mistake, if saving money was your primary motivation for changing car.

Personally I was more concerned about reliability than cost/mile, and I figured a modern TSI would be more reliable for lots of short journeys than a modern TDI.

That may turn out to be a mistake, time will tell.

If I swapped from the petrol to the diesel, that would be in order to save some cash, and to get a more powerful (and environmentally friendly) engine.

By going with the petrol car, it just feels a bit strange to pay more to get a weaker and less efficient engine, that also pollutes more.

However, I do also mostly make shorter trips, with the occasional longer weekend trip and vacations. On average a total of 6000 miles per year. I'm also a bit sensitive to engine noise, so I think the petrol will be better in that aspcect.

Do you have any numbers or facts regarding the TSI being more reliable than the TDI?

 

A good TSI is no more reliable than a good TDI.

 

So VW Group built plenty Euro 5 TSI's of various CC's that were Lemons.   And VW Group had Euro 5's with Defeat Devices and never seem to get Water Pumps up to the job of the reliability the TDI engine has.

 

So now for 2020 / 2021 VW Group / Skoda should have good reliable when serviced properly engines.

The GPF's with VW engines obviously need to get to 5 years or older till we see how that goes.

 

So the facts are that if everything in the World was reliable as VW Engines the world would be as it is now with Covid 19.

 

Time will tell how the TSI's & TDI's that VW engineered & built for the WLTP & RDE2 emissions needed will be once out of Warranty or even in Warranty.

16 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

Fuel saving / economy can go out the window for some with a TDI used in low ambient temps and on short jaunts where the engine oil might never be getting near the 80's Degree C time after time.

Then there is the fuel used when you are having regens because after all the WLTP regime never has the test vehicles doing regens....

That's interesting. It does get very cold during the winter where I live. I think that I don't know enough about how regens work. Do you know about any links where I can read up on that?

Maybe just google it, or maybe look through Briskoda sections as there seem to be plenty that drive Skoda's.

6 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Not sure what these lower co2 levels are on the Kodiaq or whether you are looking at front or 4WD but the February 2020 Superb I'm about to buy has amazingly low 101gm/km emissions which gives 72mpg on the combined cycle with upto 78mpg on the highway or over 1,000 miles per 66 litre tank (1,600km).

 

Has Skoda have produced a unicorn remap specially for Shy?

 

AFAIK 2.0tdi superbs in any version have never been as low as 101g/km in any test cycle.

 

Heres the current brochure figures

 

 

Edited 16 October, 20205 yr by xman

4 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

A good TSI is no more reliable than a good TDI.

Do you have any evidence for that? The TDI is a more complicated engine, with an EGR valve, glow plugs, a DPF and AdBlue injection. 

@MrTrilby    Please quote & post the whole bit and not 1 line from what i posted.

 

No actually to answer your question,  good ones are good ones and not the crap that some of them are,

but if we are talking Euro 5 Emission ones we have the early 1.2 TSI, / 1.4TSI with Timing Chain Issues, the 1.4 tsi Twinchargers with more than 20% failures, 

(They were in various SEAT, Skoda, VW & Audis globally.

then the 1.8 & 2.0 tsi's that need engine rebuilds or replaced engines.

 

If we come up to date and rhe latest 1.5TSI EVO's, then VW Group are still co-cking them up, then there are recalls on 1.0TSI's for Injector issues.

Lets see how the GPF's get on because already some have issues.

 

or we have the TDI's with Water Pumps, glow plug, injectors, DPF but not Adblue issues really in Euro 5 other than VW Group cheating SCR with a Defeat Device.

 

Best ask VW Group if they want to say which were the greater lemons they designed and manufactured.

 

Vorsprung Durch Technik,  Give them a few decades and they will get them right, or discontinue ICE Passenger cars and go EV.

Or like Robert the Bruce's spider, try try and try again.  also hope people think other people only moan when they have an issue.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/266114-18tsi-and-20tsi-engine-failures

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/358101-vrs-mk-ii-14-litre-twincharger-oil-consumption-issues

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/344005-12tsi-cam-chain-problems

 

Edited 16 October, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

6 hours ago, Quodiaq said:

If I swapped from the petrol to the diesel, that would be in order to save some cash, and to get a more powerful (and environmentally friendly) engine.

By going with the petrol car, it just feels a bit strange to pay more to get a weaker and less efficient engine, that also pollutes more.

However, I do also mostly make shorter trips, with the occasional longer weekend trip and vacations. On average a total of 6000 miles per year. I'm also a bit sensitive to engine noise, so I think the petrol will be better in that aspcect.

Do you have any numbers or facts regarding the TSI being more reliable than the TDI?

 

No. But issues with DPFs are well documented. A simple online search of "DPF problem" will reveal that quite a few owners have experienced issues.

I was a little unhappy when I learned my petrol had a GPF, but supposedly they're less trouble than DPFs, though I am suspicious of that claim as they are too new to really have much data available.

 

Post Script: This was my original statement.

"Personally I was more concerned about reliability than cost/mile, and I figured a modern TSI would be more reliable for lots of short journeys than a modern TDI.

That may turn out to be a mistake, time will tell."

 

I'm not asserting anything as to the reliability of any particular engine. I'm simply saying I considered (rightly or wrongly) the TDI to be a riskier buy than the TSI, and purchased accordingly.

Edited 16 October, 20205 yr by EnterName
Post Script added

1 hour ago, e-Roottoot said:

Lets see who the GPF's get on because already some have issues.

 

Yeah, this is something I'm keeping my eye on.