Dear all,

 

not having a good year with my yeti greenline 1.6 tdi this year.

 

My father had it from new in 2012 and then I bought it from him at a discount about 4 years ago.  Sadly he passed away last year.

 

He had done about 29000k, over 8 years not alot i know and now its about 61k 4 years down the line.

 

I had the timing belt done about 2 years ago. Ok thats normal and had a few wiring issues repaired as well.

I use a very good independent garage in bilston i service yearly regardless of milage which is about 10k a year

I have not had the ea189 fix, due  to egr warnings etc and I have not been in any of the claims.

 

We do about 2-4 hrs per week of motorway driving on weekends on days out as a family, so helps keep the dpf clean.

 

So in December the egr valve failed about 1k for fix, so I can get that the commuter traffic etc and 2-4  hrs of motorway would have thought would keep it clean.

 

So now 1 week ago 2 of the 4 injectors failed. So car went in, they had real trouble sourcing them but got them. They had to do front discs and resolve an issue with one air bag on the wiring loom. Big bill. Injectors have to be replaced in 4s so new set of valves, 1300 just to the garage, no profit, some other stuff that breaks and stuff when they take them out another 200. They showed me the invoice from the supplier, took 6 to find any. So I had rather a large bill. So now touch wood the major failure parts are new. All computer stuff done tuning and timing etc

 

So I'm driving home and the engine sounds so much better.  Like night and day better, before i  got this short urban driving I got about 40-42mpg  max. I was now getting 67mpg. Called garage they said they were shocked at how good it was sounding.

 

Have they changed the design or do we think which is my suspicion, the injectors were faulty from day 1 out the factory.

 

ive been advised every other tank to add some redex to keep it clean i didn't bother before. 

 

Should I kick up a stink and try and get some compensation or am I barking up a pole.

 

Regards

 

Brummie 10

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, brummie10 said:

ive been advised every other tank to add some redex to keep it clean i didn't bother before.

Did the supplying garage suggest using snake oil? If so, then they know they've f*cked up somewhere.

8 minutes ago, KenONeill said:

Did the supplying garage suggest using snake oil? If so, then they know they've f*cked up somewhere.

no it was not a skoda garage,  reliable independent, i also have a personal relationship with the extended family, they said after 30 years of servicing and repairing motors, if using  supermarket diesel which i do, as bp and shell have more additives they said to redress the balance, long term it would help. This was not a skoda garage, i have not even approached one yet, i needed car back and i dont trust skoda garages after the ea189 fob offs. They said there fed up of having to pick the pieces of vw diesel engine failures. there view was ive had the major bits done which could have been floured from the start and so should be good for another 4 years, when timing belt is up. rac guy picked up the same failure codes at the roadside. 

 

regards

 

brummie10

Hi brummie10

 

I would find it surprising if two injectors just "went", I suspect it's more likely that they have progressively worsened over the years, and were possibly faulty to some extent from new.  The ECU knows fuel pressure and the time duration for which to open the injector to supply the desired amount of fuel.  This is all fine if the injector is working properly, but if it isn't there's no individual (i.e. cylinder by cylinder) feedback to tell it that anything's wrong.  If they were injecting more than they were supposed to, you would get poor MPG and uneven power delivery from the 4 cylinders.  It's also possible that soot emission levels would be raised, which may have hastened the demise of the EGR valve by choking it with deposits.

 

I share your frustration at the costs, inflated by the workshop time taken to cope with poor accessibility.  The EGR probably costs £50 to make and £100 to buy trade.  Then changing it requires dismantling half the exhaust sytem. The EGR may have reduced the NOx emissions (a bit) but think of the waste caused by having to make a new one, scrap the old one, change the oil etc etc.  One wonders whether this emission reduction stuff is a bit of a theoretical exercise to satisfy the powers that be, with no account taken of the whole long term picture.  Anyway, rant over !

 

As for asking for compensation, I suspect you would get nowhere with a 5 year old car, never mind a 10 year old one.  Save yourself the angst and just enjoy your better running car.

@brummie10

 

No special Additives for any extra paid in Regular Diesel from the major brands over that the supermarkets / multi nationals are buying in.

Premium Diesel might well have but then no higher cetane.

More than half the diesel cars in the UK will have their tanks filled at supermarket diesel pumps.

 

VW Group say not to use Fuel Additives.

VW Group sells Fuel Additives for Petrol & Diesels. 

 

 

Edited 2 September, 20223 yr by roottoot

23 hours ago, brummie10 said:

they said after 30 years of servicing and repairing motors, if using  supermarket diesel which i do, as bp and shell have more additives they said to redress the balance, long term it would help.

 

Untrue, their standard diesel comes from exactly the same tanker deliveries from the refinery as the Supermarkets.

 

Premium diesel is another subject.

 

You are wise to have not had the emissions fix, I speak as someone who drove with it for 30k miles then paid to have it unfixed the difference is night and day better, I had previously fitted an EGr emulator/simulator so my EGR no longer operates, I left the black box in place after the emissions fix rollback as I considered that it was still a weak component, your experience validates my decision.

 

Fitting an emulator and perhaps blanking off the water cooling pipes would have been a much lower cost option than replacing your failed EGR (£99 and 20 minute labour) which will no doubt in time fail once more.

 

17 hours ago, roottoot said:

@brummie10

 

No special Additives for any extra paid in Regular Diesel from the major brands over that the supermarkets / multi nationals are buying in.

Premium Diesel might well have but then no higher cetane.

More than half the diesel cars in the UK will have their tanks filled at supermarket diesel pumps.

 

VW Group say not to use Fuel Additives.

VW Group sells Fuel Additives for Petrol & Diesels. 

 

 

That hilarious they sell additives but dont advise them !!!.

18 hours ago, Austin 7 said:

Hi brummie10

 

I would find it surprising if two injectors just "went", I suspect it's more likely that they have progressively worsened over the years, and were possibly faulty to some extent from new.  The ECU knows fuel pressure and the time duration for which to open the injector to supply the desired amount of fuel.  This is all fine if the injector is working properly, but if it isn't there's no individual (i.e. cylinder by cylinder) feedback to tell it that anything's wrong.  If they were injecting more than they were supposed to, you would get poor MPG and uneven power delivery from the 4 cylinders.  It's also possible that soot emission levels would be raised, which may have hastened the demise of the EGR valve by choking it with deposits.

 

I share your frustration at the costs, inflated by the workshop time taken to cope with poor accessibility.  The EGR probably costs £50 to make and £100 to buy trade.  Then changing it requires dismantling half the exhaust sytem. The EGR may have reduced the NOx emissions (a bit) but think of the waste caused by having to make a new one, scrap the old one, change the oil etc etc.  One wonders whether this emission reduction stuff is a bit of a theoretical exercise to satisfy the powers that be, with no account taken of the whole long term picture.  Anyway, rant over !

 

As for asking for compensation, I suspect you would get nowhere with a 5 year old car, never mind a 10 year old one.  Save yourself the angst and just enjoy your better running car.

yes thanks for that going to add some cleaner exhaust on my next fill just in case and maybe find someone locally who removes and cleans them, don't want that to go down as well. 

Thanks for all the advise spoke to  friend who has the same model but with 120k on it, he got the egr done for 400 bargain and had an injector go, he was in leeds, found a large independent who showed him a container of failed ones and a draw of very good third party ones he has bought in bulk at lower cost. like he saw about 80 in stock, he said at least 40% of his business seems to be vag 1.6 tdi, less so 2.0 tdi injector failures, he charged about 250 per injector and did the one that had failed rather than all of them but said see you soon for the other 3. 

 

ive had the major parts done so touch wood should be good for another 4-5  years when i will consider a change to petrol. my guy said go ford petrol eco  boost, cheap to fix and get good third party parts. But ive also read horror stories on ecoboost engines as well.

 

he said vw petrols at least double the cost to fix vs fords, and less options for third party good parts. he runs and audi himself but said if he was a punter would not touch them. thats all his opinion of course, but hes a good egg. 

 

Ill use additives once every few months and swap diesel suppliers every 3rd tank. touch wood should do ok. it was doing 63mpg on a 60mph run yesterday. so thats about 13mpg more than previously, i do buy the other post they were not up to scratch to start with. it really is night and day sound and response, the mechanic was shocked as he been servicing it since i had to 4-5 years ago. 

 

brummie 10