Dont know if this is old news or not but i've just read in this months Top Gear magazine that Skoda are planning 2 new vRS models. One is expected to have a 150bhp petrol and a even hotter diesel!!! Also, there first drive of the new Fabia reports thats its a Excellent litlle car! Go check it out, its a good read:thumbup:

Dont know if this is old news or not but i've just read in this months Top Gear magazine that Skoda are planning 2 new vRS models. One is expected to have a 150bhp petrol and a even hotter diesel!!! Also, there first drive of the new Fabia reports thats its a Excellent litlle car! Go check it out, its a good read:thumbup:

don't you just love cross-posting...

Is there a road test on the new Fabia on the net? If so I would like to hear pls!

Is there a road test on the new Fabia on the net? If so I would like to hear pls!

I imagine if you go onto Top gear's Website you'll be able to read it there??

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One is expected to have a 150bhp petrol and a even hotter diesel!!!

I believe this translates into the turbo and supercharged 1.4 petrol and the 2.0 TDI (140 bhp) diesel....

Chris

I believe this translates into the turbo and supercharged 1.4 petrol and the 2.0 TDI (140 bhp) diesel....

Chris

Is that the petrol engine thats in the Golf GT or what ever its called??:confused: What reviews has the engine received??

Is there a road test on the new Fabia on the net? If so I would like to hear pls!

No need to shout!

Is that the petrol engine thats in the Golf GT or what ever its called??:confused: What reviews has the engine received??

Poor by some accounts. Clarkson described it as being as smooth as falling down stairs wearing leg calipers.

It's all to do with the new EU directive to reduce engine capacity and emissions and yet maintain power and economy by using forced induction. The TSi fits this bill.

I think in time they will get better....it's only now that they're actually putting some effort into it.

Poor by some accounts. Clarkson described it as being as smooth as falling down stairs wearing leg calipers.

It's all to do with the new EU directive to reduce engine capacity and emissions and yet maintain power and economy by using forced induction. The TSi fits this bill.

I think in time they will get better....it's only now that they're actually putting some effort into it.

Yes indeed over the last 10 odd years all the engine development has been on the Dervs while petrol innovation/technology has not moved on one bit!!

Thankfully the use of smaller turbos on petrols is now making them much more economical and the thrust in low revs is getting similar ish to that of a TDI. Also the economy is improving as the same power can be achieved in a smaller capacity engine which weighs less so uses less fuel to accelerate or sustain speed.

Tyre technology has improved too the rolling resistance of the latest tyres is significantly lower than older tyres while offering even better traction and cornering & wet usage grip.

I think that also the characteristics of modern forced induction come into play too. You still have maintain the fuel to air ratio either way otherwise it'll run lean and pink like hell. More air being forced in by a turbo etc must be matched by more fuel. In theory you could easily fall into a trap of the lower capacity turbo'd engine being no more economical than a bigger N/A engine apart from when driven off boost.

The 2 VRS' will be using the golf enguines as we all know although should be slightly quicker than their vw equivlents as the fabia is smaller and lighter.

The diesel will be equivlent to the golf GT with a 140hp engine.

(there is a 2nd GT with the diesel 170hp engine but as we all know thts in the octavia and will not be going into the fabia)

The petrol will the be the 1.4 supercharged engine. ( this has a very very quick acceleration but not a great top speed, although by law top speed don't matter in this country as we all know!

The fabia is a great little car and i nearly bought 1 however the octavia was just too tempting!!!!

well I'ver heard lots of things about the new Fabia, apparently it handles really well (i'm not sure if they are comparing this with the old VRS) so the VRS could handle way better than this version. I can imagine if any of us had to alter one thing for the new vrs it would be the handling.

It would be a shame if you couldn't have the option of the 170 in the Fabia as I would think that the 140 would not be much faster than now, mine is standard and keeps up with the 140 TDi's quite easily.

Skoda may surprise though, they need to keep up with the current trend, i.e. Vauxhall Corsa with 190bhp engine etc.

I probably wouldn't buy one if it didn't have more oommph, i'd probably buy an Octavia vRS.

The 2.0TDI drives very differently to the 1.9TDI as it is no longer a PD engine VW have now switched to common rail so the power is much more linear it may not feel as fast but it should be quicker.

It would be a shame if you couldn't have the option of the 170 in the Fabia as I would think that the 140 would not be much faster than now, mine is standard and keeps up with the 140 TDi's quite easily.

Skoda may surprise though, they need to keep up with the current trend, i.e. Vauxhall Corsa with 190bhp engine etc.

I probably wouldn't buy one if it didn't have more oommph, i'd probably buy an Octavia vRS.

I feel this too, they should definitly conside the 170bhp engine, but then it might not be considered as a value hot hatch like the Fabia.

If the 170bhp engine goes in there would be an influx in price and the same people who wanted the 170 engine would complain it costs too much.

maybe a 170 and 140 option? don't think this will happen though. too much variation to keep costs low.

The 2.0TDI drives very differently to the 1.9TDI as it is no longer a PD engine VW have now switched to common rail so the power is much more linear it may not feel as fast but it should be quicker.

Err the 2.0 is a PD engine.

For example..

134-170 hp 2.0L TDI

Configuration

inline 4 cylinder 1968 cm³ TDI

Head

4 valves per cylinder, DOHC, compression ratio 18.5:1

Fuel system

Unit injectors direct-injection pump/nozzle, piezo actuators valve, pressure up to 2,200 bar

Aspiration

switched induction manifold for turbulence control, turbocharged, intercooled

Engine management

Bosch EDC 16 / SiemensVDO SIMOS PPD1

exhaust

particulate filter

Output

100 kW (136 hp) @ 4000 rpm, 310 N·m @ 1750 to 2500 rpm

103 kW (140 hp) @ 4000 rpm, 320 N·m (247 lbf·ft) @ 1750 rpm

125 kW (170 hp) @ 4200 rpm, 350 N·m @ 1800 to 2500 rpm

aftermarket 150 kW (204 hp)

Applications

VW Golf, VW Touran, VW Jetta, VW Passat and Passat Wagon since 2005, possibly VW Tiguan, Audi A3 (8P), Audi A4 (B7), Audi A6 (B6), SEAT Leon, SEAT Altea and XL, SEAT Toledo, Skoda Octavia

Yes indeed over the last 10 odd years all the engine development has been on the Dervs while petrol innovation/technology has not moved on one bit!!

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So direct injection petrol isn't innovation then?