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  1. There are people like that I agree, but there are in every country, the trouble is that the system in the UK allows them to do that (or at least it did, it's getting stricter), hopefully they will change it! As i have said in the past I will agree to differ with you and do feel that you have not seen in Scotland first hand the issues of mass migration we have in certain parts of England. https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefingPaper/document/235 With regards to the way people voted, in particular the young, as I said in certain areas, the young did vote leave, us oldies could not have produced 65/70% votes leave on our own, granted over the whole country most young people voted remain, but I was talking specific areas, not as a whole...
  2. Did you actually read my post or not, Offski? If you had you'd have realised that I am not criticising immigration, just how it is controlled. I am saying (and it's something you continue to ignore) that immigration from the old Central and Eastern Europe at the level seen in many parts of England is something that Scotland just hasn't seen, yes there are people in Scotland but not at the levels seen in England. There have been recent reports that have shown that when a large number of immigrants from a country with a lower standard of living (usually young adults, not families) congregate in one place it lowers the average wage and causes major problems for those existing residents who are low wage earners with families who still have to provide for their families but find their income reduced and their jobs in jeopardy. If you can't grasp that then I'd suggest that you go and visit the many parts of England that voted leave by large margins and see what it's like in practice and talk to those affected directly as i honestly think you have absolutely no real grasp of the issue.
  3. I see Project Fear is alive and well! Depends in what part of the country you live... Round here the young voters were also voting leave... It goes back to the discussion I had earlier with Offski and lol about the effects uncontrolled immigration has had and the reason Scotland and NI voted the way they did. Yes they have both had immigration but not on the level parts of England and Wales have had, I couldn't get this point across to them earlier and had to give up trying but this is the key to why England and Wales voted leave. Some of my friends in Scotland have lived in such areas of England and understood the issue but unless you have seen your jobs disappearing and wages going down you just wouldn't understand and I think it is that ignorance of the issue in Scotland that has resulted in the divide between Scots and English voters. There is nothing wrong with immigration, even uncontrolled immigration, as long as the countries involved are all EQUAL. Currency, wages, goods, property and such things as welfare benefits, ie standard of living. In the old EEC that was the case in the main. The problems started when countries which have a much lower standard of living and fewer or less generous benefits joined and the peoples of those countries saw a chance to move out in large numbers to the countries with streets paved with gold (or so they thought) which has lead to what we have now... There's nothing wrong with immigration, on the whole it's a good thing, but you must have some form of control over it or it can have serious issues which can be seen in parts of England and Wales. I don't think it's anything special about what the SNP has done, their aim is clear, to keep Scotland in the EU so they have nothing to lose by putting their views forward. The UK Government, however, does, and also has to think carefully about what it does so I wouldn't expect them to start publishing what they are going to do, in this situation I certainly wouldn't! As for jumped up little ex footballers, who cares what he says, his views are worth no more than ours unless he's suddenly got some sort of qualification in economics!
  4. A different one to me, I'm afraid... You seem to think that everyone thinks the same way and wants the same thing... I can never see the World working like that... Human Nature: "I reckon all of us on here have different thoughts about what we think is the "best" Society for us all to live in and we'd find that if we compared notes they'd all be different..." Whilst we are all humans, human nature makes us all different in what we want out of life, the reason those ideas you post about will never work... Whilst them may suit some there's millions of others they won't suit... Hence my comments about different planets 'cause if you actually believe that you can get one system that suits us all you must be somewhere else! There is no promised land, simply because no-one can actually agree one what one should be! Perhaps best to go back to Brexit where, for once, the People actually rejected the status quo...
  5. I don't see any sign of that... If he does the replacement will be someone even further left looking at the way the Labour Party is heading at the moment..
  6. When you've come back from the planet you are currently on and returned to Planet Earth please read my comment "it doesn't take into account human nature" again and think carefully about it... I reckon all of us on here have different thoughts about what we think is the "best" Society for us all to live in and we'd find that if we compared notes they'd all be different... And of course there is the "ruling elite" and the other people who want to jump into that role should the current lot disappear who have their own agenda... When you've found a way for us all to want the same things and be satisfied with our lot come back and tell us...
  7. The problem, though, is that when "the people" finally get fed up of the "ruling elite" and throw them out they then just get a new "ruling elite" who in many (most?) cases prove far worse than the previous lot... Show me one revolution that has not ended up that way... "Socialism" as a concept is wonderful, trouble is that is doesn't take into account human nature and so has never worked in practice... It's easy to say what we all should do, trouble is it never pans out that way... So many people just look at History and decide that the status quo is perhaps the lesser of two evils...
  8. Ooo! "Commercial" Traveller if you please, he retired in '75 after 50 years so was old school I suppose! How the meaning of words change over time, eh! As said it's surprising how memory plays tricks... Maybe no 3 days weeks and fuel shortages but it was chaotic... I remember getting my letter saying I was starting on £800pa (mid 70s) and then getting another letter, before i had started work, telling me it was now £1200pa! For another view of the late 70s and the winter of discontent '78/9 version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_Discontent http://www.ipa.org.au/publications/2185/when-everything-was-going-wrong-britain-in-the-seventies
  9. Yes I can, lol-lol, we then followed that with 5 years of chaos under Labour... I remember talking to our union rep in the late 70s saying how I supported Sunny Jim's attempt to control wages and inflation and him laughing at me and saying what they would do... No wonder there was change of Gov in '79, by then most people had had enough. '73 and '74 wasn't fuel rationing as such, it was shortage of fuel due to the Sheikhs playing silly beggars, petrol station just ran out and sometimes restricted what you could put in... I remember Dad had problems as he was a Commercial Traveller (as Reps were known in those days!) during that time...
  10. Hopefully never, I wouldn't want to go through those times again, though there were good times as well, I was a teenager of the 70s, 13 in '70, my decade I suppose! Fuel Rationing? That was the 40s and 50s, it never got that bad in the 70s, there was one occasion when it could have happened in '73 but it didn't. I can remember some garages shutting due to lack of fuel, but never rationing.
  11. What we have now is nothing compared with the 70s... Not even close...
  12. Not to mention Disabled People not being able to get on the train because there's no station staff as well as guards (already a reality in some parts of the country)... What happens if someone falls ill like they did on my train recently? I got a paramedic to them within 5 minutes by stopping the train at a station we weren't booked to stop at and sorting out medical care whilst we were on the move and using my route knowledge to get the paramedic to the best station, something the driver can't do... DOO? A passenger would have pulled the pass-com, the train would have stopped in the middle of nowhere, the driver would have had to come back to check what the issue is, then start the train and move on... Good 25 minutes all that... Rowdy Football Fans causing havoc? Train crash and driver killed or incapacitated (Greyrigg a couple of years ago!)... Who did the emergency call? The GUARD did. Be careful what you wish for folks... It's a cost cutting exercise, nothing else and even the RSSB (railway safety board) have admitted privately that DOO trains are not safe.
  13. But that's all the Remainers do, Moley, look at this thread for the evidence.
  14. Brexit doesn't mean anything at the moment because we haven't started discussing it, until we do it's all pure guesswork... We have trade with countries outside the EU so the ICT hardware is already in place, it will need to be adjusted to suit whatever sort of deal we get but it's already there. It's true that we will have to meet the EU safety (and other) rules if we continue to trade with the EU but that is no different to now and applies to all countries outside the EU we trade with each of whom have their own rules and guidelines. Any Exporter worth their salt will already know what those rules are and will make their goods suitable to be sold in that country whether it's an EU one or outside the EU. Again it's nothing new, it's what British Exporters do already whether exporting to the EU or any other country.
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