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2 hours ago, TTodorov said:
It's strange stuff for 1.8 180hp limited to 250nm. As you said Polo GTI is 320nm, also Superb 3 is 320nm on manual.
However all the data points Octavia 3 is 250 nm even on manual. Is there anything else as info?Very bad if so, otherwise this engine will be pure gem in terms of hp,nm,sport and reliability...
No, it's not bad. All the contrary.
The torque is limited to 250Nm, yes. But It is availaible quite sooner (1250 rpm) and much longer (5500 rpm) than on the 320Nm version.
On the other hand, the development of the gears are shorter.
This compensates for the lower engine torque, so that the torque transmitted to the wheels (the actual torque moving the car) is globally the same.
At the end, you get the same performances as the 320Nm version, whatever the speed you are.
And you have a larger range of use for your engine. We tell more "souplesse", in french. I don't know how it translates properly, maybe flexibility here, as a contributor to the driving pleasure.
I've explained this here, if you read french:
Never try to assess a car on the basis of its max engine torque; you need much more information like the power and torque curves, and mainly, the transmission ratios of the gearbox.
If engineers have worked properly, however, the max power remains a good indicator.
Some explainations below, where you can see the 2.0 TDI 150 is always less performant in the Octavia than the 1.4 TSI, even 140hp:
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Hello mr pot
That's the advantage to learn international english. I've no idea what you mean; nor do I care...
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Interesting to find out when skoda have stopped laughing that is, if they replace bumper under warranty, perhaps a short crossing to France would be worthwhile
Interesting to find you so self confident, when obviously you have no idea what you're talking about.
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So not the same as original post detailed, even better to know thanks
I think it is the same.
You are the one introducing a doubt that the issue could be caused by the dis/re-assembling done by willovrs.
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Thats great, I wouldnt have thought that any dealer would consider any kind of warranty work if the owner removed the part, got it modified and then reassembled it. But hey ho, it says so on the internet so must be true
I didn't mention any removal and reassembling by the users.
In the cases I'm refering to, the cause was the bad design of the exhausts.
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Many RS TDI owners complained about this issue on french forums.
Bumpers were replaced under warranty.
That"s a clear and known design issue.
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On the 2.0 TDI 150, with the manual gearbox in 6th gear, the max engine torque starts to be available at 100km/h (62mph).
This should not be much different with the 6 gears DSG.
In the same exercise, the 1.4 TSI 140 would allow shifting in 6th gear from 70km/h (43mph).
See the graph(*) below, showing the engine torque on one hand, and the torque transmitted to the wheel (what makes the car accelerate) on the other hand.
Comparison done between the O3 2.0 TDI 150 Manual (black curves) and O3 1.4 TSI 140 Manual (blue curves).
Your observation is the consequence of the quite narrow usable rev range of the diesel engine, and the longer development of its transmission, needed to cope with its high engine torque.
Transmission ratio in 6th gear is designed to bring torque values (thus power) to the wheels close to the one provided by the petrol engine at high speed (>100km/h).
The consequence for the diesel is a lack of torque in 6th gear at low speed (below 100km/h and 1750 rpm).
For more flexibility, and ability to drive on the torque at low/middle speeds, you should have bought the petrol.
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(Details: Curves are showing torque values depending on the car speed, not revs.
That's the reason why, having different ratios in 6th gears, the engine torque curves are more or less translated to the right.
For a selected gear, here the 6th, there is a direct translation between the engine rev and the car speed. This allows, knowing the engine torque curve based on the revs, to build the engine torque curve based on the car speed. The torque transmitted to the wheel is a direct translation (homothetia actually) from the engine torque based on the transmition ratio)
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Renault just issued a 250hp version from its Clio RS, 1.6 turbo as well.
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TMWNA would still be within the statistical shape... at the edge of it, but still within
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I think these are very good results, for this engine.
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The design of these engines has been driven by the NEDC homologation cycle.
The one everybody is now well aware was completely inacurate.
I believe these engines will become obsolete as soon as the new WLTC cycle is put in place.
Few months ago, I've made some research based on Spritmonitor data.
On the Ford Focus 1.0 125 Ecoboost, the average fuel consumption in real life was 43% higher than the manufacturer figures, based on a population of 184 users.
It was only 18% higher (than the manufacturer figures) for the Octavia 1.2 TSI 105 (79 users), 24% higher for the Octavia 1.4 TSI 140 (113 users) and also 24% higher for the Golf 7 1.2 TSI 85 (123 users).
The actual average consumption was higher for the Ford (6.72l/100km) than for the Octavia 1.4 TSI 140 (6.59l/100km). Manufacturer figures being respectively 4.7 and 5.3.
So, if the new 1.0 is a pleasant, less heavy and still as powerful engine, it might have an interest over the 1.2.
But I wouldn't bet one instant on a better fuel economy...
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I prefer having it heavier as well. Have put it in Sport in the Drive Mode Selection settings.
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With the DSG in Sport mode, the gears wIll be shifted later, the engine going up at higher revs.
The acceleration will be improved and the performances slightly better.
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It was 5 years ago when the vRS went but yes - I do love the power out of my new motor
This was the previous (mkII) TDi vRS version. It is more at match with the new 1.4 TSi.
I would even say 1.8T gives considerably more punch than RS diesel.
I'd say this is a bit excessive. The RS diesel is very close in performances.
The 1.8 TSi is more flexible, it has more capability to be driven 'on the torque' at low speed than the diesel, and then, it's able to go up 6500 rpm still pushing.
But on pure performances, they are nearly at par. The handicaps of the RS are its weight and its narrow (comparatively) usable rev range.
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Kinda wonder with your lack of milage why your going for a diesel ?
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Also that.
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During the next few days I’m going to buy a Skoda Octavia III 2L TDI 143PH, I’m completely torn between manual and DSG gearboxes, knowing that I live in a small city, we don’t have a very experimented and professional mechanic, Also my daily work trips are 25km per day using the highway, and a 200KM weekly mixed trip between country roads and highway. Please help me choose.
I believe you should state the pros and cons for the DSG.
Have you got any experience of auto gearboxes? Is it just you'd like trying it?
You can always get the wrong manual gearbox, but in general, you should expect more reliability from a manual gearbox than a DSG.
Your kind of travel, mainly on highways does not justify the DSG.
Finally, I'm not sure you get here a good feedback for the association of the DSG with your engine. This combo seems specific to North Africa and the 143hp engine is not sold in Europe.
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It happens very often in the first 10000km. Something related to factory process, and beeing not easy to purge the system. Always remains some air in the system.
Should be stable afterwards however, or the car needs to be seen.
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Having tested the ECO mode on a few tanks, I admit it may save around 0.2 to 0.3l/100km. I decided this was not worth the pain.
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So that might be specific to DSG or even DSG7, to spare the gearbox...
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My VRS starts up in whatever mode I leave it in. It spends 80% of its time in individual mode, 10% in sport and 10%in normal. I don't change for economy, it's just for comfort.
I'm pretty sure the Individual Mode I defined is kept in the memory of my octy.
I was not clear. The mode remains after power off/on, be it sport or individual.
It is just that the engine setting is back to normal (if it was sport) unless you select again the mode or shift the DSG gearstick.
When the engine setting is Eco or normal, it is kept after power on/off.
At least, this is the way mine behaves.
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Me to, My Vrs hasn't been out of Vrs Mode for almost 2 years.
Are you so sure?
From my experience the setting of Sport mode is cancelled at each Power off/on of the engine.
I guess it would be the same for the VRS mode on a vRS.
I understand this is to avoid getting too high in revs until the engine temperature has reached a secured enough value.
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You mean the current Renault style? Yes, it is bad. Not as bad as the Mercedes' one, but bad enough.
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The question of power output raises an interesting question though since I'm not sure whether it is actually part of the purchase contract.
If Skoda/VW/etc suddenly delivered cars with an official but unannounced 30 bhp reduction (say to meet emission regulations?) then are some saying they might be within their rights legally? I suspect no one would tolerate it despite it potentially making their car 'safer' and 'more economical' and less polluting.
I am in complete agreement with AirborneVRS' moral stance and it will interesting to see how he goes with a company attempting to recover from moral bankruptcy.
I don't know in UK, but in France for instance, the engine power is part of the identity of the car. It is defined in the registration certificate together with the serial number, the weight, and the used combusitible among other things.
If anything is to be changed compared to this certificate, like in case of an engine reprog, a new registration is required. Which is nearly impossible to get for an individual.
Power is also always defined in the purchase order.
The disc size are not, however.
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My commute is currently about 25 miles. The engine seems to warm up very quickly, much faster than the diesel lump in my old Octavia.
It's actually not that far off the economy of that car. I think I was averaging about 47-8 in that car (which was also given Shell V-Power).
If I could restrain myself, I reckon I could get 42mpg no probs.
The water temperature is at 90°C after 4 to 5 km. But the oil temperature requires close to 15 km, at least in winter.
1.4 TSI 150 BHP reliability questioned
in Skoda Octavia Mk III (2013 - 2020)
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Your are right.
But the important point is the range at max engine torque and when it starts.
Even if it has always higher torque values, the 320Nm as a narrower range at its max torque, starting at higher RPM.
it's max torque value will induce longer gears.
At 1250rpm, even if it delivers the same torque than 250Nm version, it will have to cope with smaller transmission ratio, and will deliver less torque and power to the wheels than the 250Nm version.
In terms of performances, you don't really care the value of max engine torque as long as you can design the right associated gearbox.
The main advantage of a higher torque for the same power is mostly regarding consumption reduction.