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Not an old debate but industry data coming out all the time. Data from a few weeks combining several large studies of car fires, first webpage below .... Simple summary is that EV fires are far less common, by a factor of as much as 80 but when they do go, if not checked by the standard fire fighting tech for EVs ie fire blanket, then consequences can be bad. EV fire blankets are now big business ie multi million pound business in many countries and supported by numerous industry big firms. One of our multi million pound UK firms is Fire Cloak of Sheffield. Link and demo of use below the EV fire risk data webpage... Energy Saving TrustAre electric vehicles a fire risk?Current research indicates that the chance of an electric vehicle catching fire is considerably lower than petrol or diesel vehicles.Fire Cloak™Fire Cloak™ – EV Fire Blanket – Contain Lithium Battery F...Protect against EV fires with Fire Cloak™, the electrical vehicle fire blanket that deploys in seconds, contains lithium battery fires, and safeguards people, vehicles and property.

BYD has now launched and using its own up to 9k car carrying car carrying vessels. I would think they have really stepped up fire fighting systems and that would be in part to identify any fire starting really early on via fire alarms and quick acting. I presune super massive fire blankets and foam or powder although water also seems to be used but that is not what I was taught on fighting chemical and electrical fires. With open single floor and no fire doors the standard methods we would use ie flooding compartments and holds with CO2 or inert gases does not sound that it is an option being employed. My company, Ceva - CMA currently move 5.5M finished cars, up from 4M not long ago, and we are using the schemes I mention above. As an ex Merchant seaman, yes I had a seaman's discharge book and identity card, I worry more so for the sailor's well being. https://www.cevalogistics.com/en/news-and-media/newsroom/press-release/cma-cgm-chery-auto-ceva-sign-mou-to-advance-global-automotive-logistics-collaboration

The do do something as we would arrange these power tools with biggish Li batteries terminating in Gernany. Tortuous jortney as getting past Iran, Russia cannot be easy. Kazakhstan, Caspian sea, Azabajan, Georgia, Black Sea and into Romania just would guess but very convoluted and was about 3 times more than sea ie $7k or more a box but the Chinese goods are oft going south of South Africa and raking about 2 weeks longer. Arctic route would be a great time and cost saver. Norway / Sweden preparing to open a Barents sea port to link in to European rail network.

We see oft in airfreight logistics. I would hope the 30% SoC test is done but I fear not as oft it should. Should push much of freight on to rail and truck rather than air and sea but that is not happening perhaps ad myxh as it should. I must have at least 50 items with Lithium batteries I reckon, maybe a lot more. Must do a run to the recycling centre rather than leave devices hanging around.

Sounds like the Renault battery fire suppression, fire fighting is being adopted for other marques of EVs and will be used in Li NMC, LFP and presumably Sodium batteries as they start to become more common. Each iteration of battery chemistry is less prone to thermal runaway as well as being cheaper. Still think inboard fire system might be better to nip in bud. https://www.renault.co.uk/safety/firefighter-technologies.html

Underlining the massive difference in value, spec and performance between Chinese Audi badged big SUV car and European Audi big SUV. Shame not planned to come to UK, yet......... We stuck with very expensive, twice the price, European fossil fuels behemoth and Chinese start of the art car....

Thought I saw this one a few weeks ago. VW, who make the Explorer for Ford, have a wholly owned subsidiary called PowerCo I gather, who puts together the power packs for the VAG Group and I can imagine the £33K price of the pack, including all its cooling elements, presumable over £10k for all the work to fit, sounds pricey, gets us to the £45k. So Ford would need to buy the pack from Powerco / VW and each make their margin including Ford hence the silly price. I would suppose one would actually go to a firm like Cleevely EV, or scrap the vehilce rather than go ahead with this ridiculous quote. Ford are getting themselves in a bad place for cars like the Explorer which is a VW production line vehicle as I understand it. What is interesting is that it is looking like Ford is set to do the same for the new Fiesta which is going to be a Renault 5 in drag, we already have the Nissan Micra doing this. Ford said many years ago that it wanted to concentrate on design etc and leave manufacturing to Toll car makers. Road to ruin I would have thought. Mr Farley brutally honest. Import tariffs can delay the apparent inevitable which is what US is doing. Dont know the cells within the Explorer ID* but probably Chinese or Korean. West slow to get on EV component production and hence the silly prices of EVs and their components..... https://www.cleevelyev.co.uk/

I seem to remember an even older version with Marty Feldman if memory serves.

You tell kids today and they don't believe you. (Said in a Yorkshire Monty Python accent). Going on for 3 months was amazing.

With air holding more moisture we might see much more snow. I dont remember the winter of 62/ 63 as i was only 1.5 years old. Saw lots of snow in Canada in mid 60s even though our latitude same as south of France ie in Toronto area. Recall we had lots of snow on Dartmoor winter of 1980 think it was. We had temperature of -20c in 2010 with freak cold spell here in Worcester. Prefer it to 38c and local town like Stourbridge and Pershore catching 🔥. Going to be interesting. Perhaps feet of snow in the winters and 40c plus in the summers. The number of heat related deaths will be huge. Couple of thousand in UK in 2003, 70k in Europe. Suspect we will see half as much again than this for this year and more again in years to come.

One can see why Trump wants Greenland !

I think we would be not too bad in the English Midlands but north of Birmigham could be not pleasant weather wise. 4 wheel drive vehicles will be needed much more. Was quite impressed with Toyota's system on the 4 wheel drive Prius. Only 10hp to the rear just to get it moving and keep moving. Much easier to do on an EV whereas on an ICE car means big weight increase and big in the already inefficient power to movement figures and cost.

It is the slowing and stopping of the Gulf stream that warms Western Europe that worries me due to the melting of the north pole and Greenland ice blocking the Gulf stream. Eastern Canada is much cooler for the same latitudes as the UK. Life will be very different in the UK ! China and Russia already working on using the Artic ice free route to move their goods even quicker to Europe.

The haze that was causing 30 to 40k life shortenings in the uk and millions worldwide ?

Carbon is the enemy. Biofuel is a paperwork con. Still it is dumping carbon into the atmosphere and recent heatwaves, fires etc will give even more impetus to rediubling the pace of removing vehicle that emit carbon. The island we share will our Irish cousins are offering huge scrappage amounts, over 10K Euros, and this might be a better way to get ICE vehicles off the road rather than just new EV price reduction on sales to those changing one EV for another. Public charging prices can be very cheap, especially with a TESLA subscription which is quite cheap and soon pays for itself and means one can access prices similar to home charging without the hundreds of pounds some of gave to fork out for hone charging equipment where as public charge users only pay the cost of energy in most cases appears to me. BE EV chargers also do cracking deals if one does not like David Coleman, I mean Elon Musk.