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The EV Brag..... Not the biggest fan of "Dave Takes it on" but I think he does sum up things well in this YouTube vid......

Six Citreons confirmed getting the lower £1500 grant incl the Berlingo-e, had a Berlingo petrol many years ago. Presumably could not prove the low carbon production which i think Renault will be much better placed to do to get the £3750 or closer to it. Hoping to get that off a red R4 in the next few weeks.

Think UK government is most concerned about the division it would cause though we already gave different standing charges by region. Some states in the US have multiple tariffs through the day which make some sense. So the night time would be very low and many places have and then a medium tariff through much of the day when solar is feeding in lots of energy as well as wind but then a higher rate at the tea time period to try and avoid those Peaker plants coming on stream and charging some $5 per kwh. Nobody wants people sitting in the cold waiting for 7 or 8 pm for the cheaper electricity to become available but this is already a reality in California I gather and it is really just the power companies passing on higher prices at peak times or lower prices when electricity is plentiful and companies can and do give it atway. Market forces, supply and demand. Both macro level battery packs at the 40 foot container size that Tesla do with their Megapacks and we do with our home battery packs or portable solar generators that include solar invertors, batteries with AC and DC outputs. I keep a look out for a home battery unit with say 7 kw output or even 11 to 22 kw 3 phase would be great, a few years off. Best I have at the moment is 2.4 kw output but always looking for the next step up which can save money by shifting when I download power in to the house and consume it later as well as having resilience for power cuts as Portugal and Spain had recently.

Plunge pricing of 40% off public charging between 1200 and 1500 presumably due to abundance of cheap/ free/ paid to take electricity on Instavolt, Ionity, Osprey and several other networks using the Electroverse card from Octopus...

99% scientist v luddites / those with financial interest in Status Quo (not the pop group)

Slam dunk.............. NOX GOV.UKEmissions of air pollutants in the UK – Nitrogen oxides (... CO2 Carbon dioxide (CO2) is an important heat-trapping gas, also known as a greenhouse gas, that comes from the extraction and burning of fossil fuels (such as coal, oil, and natural gas), from wildfires, and natural processes like volcanic eruptions. The first graph shows atmospheric CO2 levels measured by NOAA at Mauna Loa Observatory, Hawaii, since 1958. The second graph shows CO2 levels during Earth’s last three glacial cycles, as captured by air bubbles trapped in ice sheets and glaciers. Since the onset of industrial times in the 18th century, human activities have raised atmospheric CO2 by 50% – meaning the amount of CO2 is now 150% of its value in 1750. This human-induced rise is greater than the natural increase observed at the end of the last ice age 20,000 years ago. https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/carbon-dioxide/?intent=121

Apparently the £3750 EV grant is conditional on the battery having an 8 year 100,000 mile warranty which is a double bonus it sounds like.

Not meant to be funny. Sone of us who have already transitioned to EVs wonder when the lydites are going to get up with the program. ICE vehicles are poisoning the world and contribution to climate change. Temperature here in Worcestershire of almost 35c are no laughing matter and it will cause hundreds of deaths this summer in the UK and tens of thousands across Euope. EVs are generally very cheap to run as well not progressing human extinction at anything like the rate as ICE vehicle Mr Dieselgate. Next step heat pump instead of gas boiler now an all EV family. The Fall of Because - Killing Joke.

Another Octopus Free energy session 1400 to 1500 hours tomorrow 5th of August 2025 as apparently there is an over abundance of solar and wind generation due ! Like the Asian EV makers offering discount on their EVs to match the upcoming EV grants on European EVs with high green credentials the garages might be inclined to give a free couple of litre of fuel ? Nah, unlikely. What happened to those decent Tesco's kick backs on fuel ? Gone for every like Skoda's well pay the VAT promo !

The production cost of electric cars has been falling rapidly and the cost of the battery pack has been falling very quickly ie 10 to 30% per year as the cost of lithium continues to fall rapidly. Also more cars are using the cheaper lithium iron phosphate battery material rather than lithium Nickel Molyidenium Cobalt type are materials. The car companies will want to tru and keep market share and I think they will be able to action off their EV sales numbers to other cars sellers who are not hitting the 28% EV sales mandate. Chinese cars, like MG/SAIC's finance and mixed in with Chinese government, less so BYD, but the EU has identified Dumping hence tge 18 to 48% Duty plus Anti Dumping Duty levy. EU should be racking in billions on this like Trump is on his tariffs. I was thinking of getting a Dacia Spring as my reserve EV if the Senic or Mini were near empty or out being used but no there is such a wider choice of not so compromised EVS ie the T03 Leapmotor to name one.

Same with the Mercedes EQC. Built on an ICE platform, propellor shaft intrudinging into cabin for no reason In the EV. So it ended up with with a weight of 2.6 tonnes for a mid sized SUV hence awful energy efficiency. Nice to have 400 hp but still compromised. I find driving EVs that body roll is less than in ICE cars due to the lower centre of gravity. On the M5, junction 4 or 4a, there is an advisory 50 mph bend but in the EVs I find it can be taken flat out in EVs where as in the hybrids it seemed to roll more due to the higher centre of gravity. Not taken it in a boxer engined car, or vvankel, which maybe a bit better than ice cars with vertical cylindered car. Renault dealer got a couple of Alpines A110s which as a super light might be fun and it is one of the very few pure ICE cars I would still buy.

Absolutely. As can be seen by which cars are hit by the Paris triple the parking price hit on cars over 1600kgs, or 2T if an EV. BMW 330E, Merc A250e, Skoda Subherb Est Wiesel, see article below. There are nearly a hundred EVs less than 1600 kgs. Over 300 under 2T. Many ICE cars are over 2T, particularly Hybrids and wiesels ...... EV DatabaseEV DatabaseA comprehensive overview of all electric vehicles in the UK. Search and compare by range, make, model and price.AutocarParis votes to triple parking costs for heavy cars | AutocarCombustion cars weighing more than 1600kg and EVs weighing more than 2000kg will be surcharged

The acceleration figure for the Rima is in a different league above the Lotus for some reason despite the similar power. Another case where Torque is a key factor possible ie its 2650 Nm of torque compared to the Evija 1700 Nm. Weight and how the torque numbers is spread across the revs or points on the acceleration curve. Circuit lap times will start to emerge and we will be able to see some real figures with some twisties and not just drag strip. Having a howling ICE may add to the theatre but outright performance is what matters when you know you are noise and bluster rather than actual performance. F1 cars are one of the slower accelerating track vehicles. Slower acceleration to a 100mph, maybe a 150 mph, than a Formula-e car for example. The internal combustion engine is history and may limp a long for another handful of years, if aided by EV hybrid tech to actually get it off the line as the ICE car's torque/ power does not properly kick into 40/ 50 mph or so when the drag race is long over. Trained as a ICE Engineering Officer, worked for Piper tuning race and road ICE cars, bikes etc but the vehicles "engine" choice is virtual over now.

This is relatively slow compared to the Rimac Nereva R is significantly faster than the Lotus or any other current ICE car.......

The quadricycle, not car, Ami is/was a very poor vehicle compared to Renault's Twizy IMO. Twizy is much more Agile and was overjoyed to see a long line of them in Norway where they are being used for cruise ship passengers to use to visit sites inland. Also the Twizy looked good in the race in St Petersberg by Top Gear. Not seen the spec on the new Quadricycle Ami, could hardly be a worse vehicle. Very limited appeal for these Quads and now proper cars like the Spring are down to about 10k then even less appeal, assuming one has a full car driving licence and left with quadricycle as the only choice. With the £3750 grant details still unclear but SE Asian car makers keen to get their price cuts in early the choice for high quality cheap and small EVs just gets better week on week. Incredibly low running costs and very capable town cars that can also do a bit of motorway too.

The development of EVs, especially with related companies Nissan and Renault, has been at sales stage for well over a decade and development for probably nearly twice that and it is clear to me, owning the third generation Zoe, that it is if anything over engineered. Possibly one pedal driving is not a overall good thing as a dab on the brakes for that last few milesper hour to zero keeps the pads shuffling. I speak as i find. EVs are more relaxing to drive. Cheaper to insure, cheaper in pence per mile energy costs and cheaper servicing. Has enabled me to make more profit as the gap is bigger between money received for doing business miles and cost. Peripheral downside is the price is falling so much month on month, year on year that one is always kicking oneself as these cars are substantially cheaper a few months on and provably better spec too, more range and even more safely systems etc. Now with EV grants back again the sun is shining even more on the righteous. UK government will still get a big wodge of VAT which will more the twice over cover the EV grant. Just wish Mini and Nissan were filurther advanced in their EV manufacture.

Discs and pads hardly ever replaced on EVs as regen system does most the braking most the time. Been some EVs where the on regen part of the braking system has seized up thru lack of use so it needs a bit of TLC because it is used so little by many EV drivers who regen 99% of the time. Even more miles and smiles at next to no cost. One daughter did find the use of regen a bit nauseating, don't understand it myself but she was/is susceptible to motion sickness ie sea etc. One truth about EVs seems to be the lower insurance premiums for roughly equivalent power outputs. My Scenic with 170 hp was cheaper than the hybrid Arkana with only 140 hp and the Mini insurance, 181 hp, was about half the Clio, 145 hp, hybrid insurance. Both EVs much higher RRPs but for some reason much lower insurance costs. Not sure why but a pleasant surprise. One area EVs do seem to cost a bit more is tyres. The bit more weight and the instant torque and joy of beating ICE cars off the lights does tend to lead to slightly higher tyre wear it seems.

Very little as the servicing of EVs show. Battery degradation is one concern but probably much less than feared. Some early LEAFs without any active cooling but garages and find ways to double and bear triple range as that is how much energy density has improved. Traction motor replacements seem very rare. Car makers Renault now gave modular packs 24 in my Scenic, that can be identified and replaced in case of the extremely rare failure and car gas ducts to allow fire fighters to flood this compartment with foam in a case of those also rare fires ie being parked bear to a self combusting ICE car.

Hyundai follow Leap Motors and other Far East EV makers slash prices..... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/367436/hyundai-slashes-prices-across-its-entire-ev-range&ved=2ahUKEwisyv6R_tyOAxUuYEEAHV7RAvoQFnoECDMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3j4R0fgAsTg4XhNBVW9RE3

Vast majority of EV components are inert. Don't reciprocate, don't require their lubrication pressurised, warm up to work best changed on a regular basis along with the oil filter. No air filter changes either. ICE reciorocating engines are a 19th century idea that hung about way too longer. Would have liked to see the vvankel engine take over about 50 years ago. Worked with Norton a bit when I worked for Piper. Would still love and RX7 or RX8 and I think there was an Audi, well it wa NSU that Audi integrated into itself. ICE is stagnating, only existing in the near future with EV ech providing a crutch for its existence in production over the next few months and then oblivion. Maybe a sliver of hope with hydrogen power in cerrtain specialist applications, trains, truck to remote areas etc.

It's about the dumbest video i have seen. Blade Its a form factor not a chemistry. Blade means the battery pack can be shaped in to shaped which allow more flexible positioning off the battery pack. BYD have been using LFP and even going down the road LFP very early as well as lead private battery company in the world as CATL I believe is part or wholly Chinese government owed. Still not aware of anything other than EVs being about a tenth as likely to go up in flames than ICE cars and with the above moves away from NMC to LMP and other safer battery chemistry the gap is only going to get wider.

Renault 4 should be all the R5 is but with the issues of cramped back seats and boot size solved. With couple of grand off the R4 it will be a bargain. Looking like UK not getting the 40 kwh LFP batteried version, maybe that will change if sales not quite what hoped for.

Got the Cooper E and had about a week now. Insurance for the 181 hp Mini cheaper than the 145hp Clio !! 0 to 60 in 7 seconds flat. Charged to 80%, as recommended, last night after lad had done his commute from Worcester to Gloucester and back. 80 % charge showed 134 miles range, we have not done a reset yet, don't know how to bur using the YouTube videos as guides. Yet to drive this British Eacing Green Cooper Exclusive. The Head up Display popping up out of the Dashboard is cool. Guy across the road, big BMW and performance car guy, M3,4 ,5, recent Maycan etc now has BNW iX3 think it is. BMW guys, same garage as Mini of course, said OK to charge to 90% regularly. Will do more research. I thought the smaller batteried Mini might use LFP chemistry like Renaukt do in there 40 kwh R5 but no it is all NMC apparently. Pleased so far. Tell my lad he can and should use ECO as unlike Renault one is not spreed limited to indicated 65 like in the Zoe or 72 the in the Scenic. Maxxis tyres OK but not the best. Ride not too hard but a little under damped I would say.

New Ami quadricycle due out soon I gather. Modern Hero guy, Scottish voice but Gloucester based bought another Ami and got some 40% off RRP I gather and they were 2 or 3 year old models out of long term storage. Not really a car like the Spring he also had recently and reminds me of the 30 mph limited Mopeds, quite dangerous being limited to 30 mph. With EVs dropping in price as competition intensifies and the multi thousand pound EV subsidy deal kicks in it must be strange times for EV dealers like MH. I watch his videos and wish him the best but the Ami mk 1 had been a bit of a lemon so hopefully Mk 2 is better. Have colleagues in London without driving licence that it might siut if it is better.

Had a Dacia Logan, in white. Not an electric car so not appropriate to this thread but I would say a good car. It s a Sandero estate version really. Had one about a decade ago, cost about £10K. 3 year PCP deal. Sold back to dealer ad got £1K back as it was worth so much more than the £3k balloon payment. Made stacks of money running and getting 45p a mile and even running it on the lower rate was not losing money ie at 25p per mile Treasury mileage rate Anyroad up, back to EVs please and such posts about car colours to some other thread to keep this important thread on topic if you would be so kind and disciplined ?.