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The acceleration figure for the Rima is in a different league above the Lotus for some reason despite the similar power. Another case where Torque is a key factor possible ie its 2650 Nm of torque compared to the Evija 1700 Nm. Weight and how the torque numbers is spread across the revs or points on the acceleration curve. Circuit lap times will start to emerge and we will be able to see some real figures with some twisties and not just drag strip. Having a howling ICE may add to the theatre but outright performance is what matters when you know you are noise and bluster rather than actual performance. F1 cars are one of the slower accelerating track vehicles. Slower acceleration to a 100mph, maybe a 150 mph, than a Formula-e car for example. The internal combustion engine is history and may limp a long for another handful of years, if aided by EV hybrid tech to actually get it off the line as the ICE car's torque/ power does not properly kick into 40/ 50 mph or so when the drag race is long over. Trained as a ICE Engineering Officer, worked for Piper tuning race and road ICE cars, bikes etc but the vehicles "engine" choice is virtual over now.

This is relatively slow compared to the Rimac Nereva R is significantly faster than the Lotus or any other current ICE car.......

The quadricycle, not car, Ami is/was a very poor vehicle compared to Renault's Twizy IMO. Twizy is much more Agile and was overjoyed to see a long line of them in Norway where they are being used for cruise ship passengers to use to visit sites inland. Also the Twizy looked good in the race in St Petersberg by Top Gear. Not seen the spec on the new Quadricycle Ami, could hardly be a worse vehicle. Very limited appeal for these Quads and now proper cars like the Spring are down to about 10k then even less appeal, assuming one has a full car driving licence and left with quadricycle as the only choice. With the £3750 grant details still unclear but SE Asian car makers keen to get their price cuts in early the choice for high quality cheap and small EVs just gets better week on week. Incredibly low running costs and very capable town cars that can also do a bit of motorway too.

The development of EVs, especially with related companies Nissan and Renault, has been at sales stage for well over a decade and development for probably nearly twice that and it is clear to me, owning the third generation Zoe, that it is if anything over engineered. Possibly one pedal driving is not a overall good thing as a dab on the brakes for that last few milesper hour to zero keeps the pads shuffling. I speak as i find. EVs are more relaxing to drive. Cheaper to insure, cheaper in pence per mile energy costs and cheaper servicing. Has enabled me to make more profit as the gap is bigger between money received for doing business miles and cost. Peripheral downside is the price is falling so much month on month, year on year that one is always kicking oneself as these cars are substantially cheaper a few months on and provably better spec too, more range and even more safely systems etc. Now with EV grants back again the sun is shining even more on the righteous. UK government will still get a big wodge of VAT which will more the twice over cover the EV grant. Just wish Mini and Nissan were filurther advanced in their EV manufacture.

Discs and pads hardly ever replaced on EVs as regen system does most the braking most the time. Been some EVs where the on regen part of the braking system has seized up thru lack of use so it needs a bit of TLC because it is used so little by many EV drivers who regen 99% of the time. Even more miles and smiles at next to no cost. One daughter did find the use of regen a bit nauseating, don't understand it myself but she was/is susceptible to motion sickness ie sea etc. One truth about EVs seems to be the lower insurance premiums for roughly equivalent power outputs. My Scenic with 170 hp was cheaper than the hybrid Arkana with only 140 hp and the Mini insurance, 181 hp, was about half the Clio, 145 hp, hybrid insurance. Both EVs much higher RRPs but for some reason much lower insurance costs. Not sure why but a pleasant surprise. One area EVs do seem to cost a bit more is tyres. The bit more weight and the instant torque and joy of beating ICE cars off the lights does tend to lead to slightly higher tyre wear it seems.

Very little as the servicing of EVs show. Battery degradation is one concern but probably much less than feared. Some early LEAFs without any active cooling but garages and find ways to double and bear triple range as that is how much energy density has improved. Traction motor replacements seem very rare. Car makers Renault now gave modular packs 24 in my Scenic, that can be identified and replaced in case of the extremely rare failure and car gas ducts to allow fire fighters to flood this compartment with foam in a case of those also rare fires ie being parked bear to a self combusting ICE car.

Hyundai follow Leap Motors and other Far East EV makers slash prices..... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/367436/hyundai-slashes-prices-across-its-entire-ev-range&ved=2ahUKEwisyv6R_tyOAxUuYEEAHV7RAvoQFnoECDMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3j4R0fgAsTg4XhNBVW9RE3

Vast majority of EV components are inert. Don't reciprocate, don't require their lubrication pressurised, warm up to work best changed on a regular basis along with the oil filter. No air filter changes either. ICE reciorocating engines are a 19th century idea that hung about way too longer. Would have liked to see the vvankel engine take over about 50 years ago. Worked with Norton a bit when I worked for Piper. Would still love and RX7 or RX8 and I think there was an Audi, well it wa NSU that Audi integrated into itself. ICE is stagnating, only existing in the near future with EV ech providing a crutch for its existence in production over the next few months and then oblivion. Maybe a sliver of hope with hydrogen power in cerrtain specialist applications, trains, truck to remote areas etc.

It's about the dumbest video i have seen. Blade Its a form factor not a chemistry. Blade means the battery pack can be shaped in to shaped which allow more flexible positioning off the battery pack. BYD have been using LFP and even going down the road LFP very early as well as lead private battery company in the world as CATL I believe is part or wholly Chinese government owed. Still not aware of anything other than EVs being about a tenth as likely to go up in flames than ICE cars and with the above moves away from NMC to LMP and other safer battery chemistry the gap is only going to get wider.

Renault 4 should be all the R5 is but with the issues of cramped back seats and boot size solved. With couple of grand off the R4 it will be a bargain. Looking like UK not getting the 40 kwh LFP batteried version, maybe that will change if sales not quite what hoped for.

Got the Cooper E and had about a week now. Insurance for the 181 hp Mini cheaper than the 145hp Clio !! 0 to 60 in 7 seconds flat. Charged to 80%, as recommended, last night after lad had done his commute from Worcester to Gloucester and back. 80 % charge showed 134 miles range, we have not done a reset yet, don't know how to bur using the YouTube videos as guides. Yet to drive this British Eacing Green Cooper Exclusive. The Head up Display popping up out of the Dashboard is cool. Guy across the road, big BMW and performance car guy, M3,4 ,5, recent Maycan etc now has BNW iX3 think it is. BMW guys, same garage as Mini of course, said OK to charge to 90% regularly. Will do more research. I thought the smaller batteried Mini might use LFP chemistry like Renaukt do in there 40 kwh R5 but no it is all NMC apparently. Pleased so far. Tell my lad he can and should use ECO as unlike Renault one is not spreed limited to indicated 65 like in the Zoe or 72 the in the Scenic. Maxxis tyres OK but not the best. Ride not too hard but a little under damped I would say.

New Ami quadricycle due out soon I gather. Modern Hero guy, Scottish voice but Gloucester based bought another Ami and got some 40% off RRP I gather and they were 2 or 3 year old models out of long term storage. Not really a car like the Spring he also had recently and reminds me of the 30 mph limited Mopeds, quite dangerous being limited to 30 mph. With EVs dropping in price as competition intensifies and the multi thousand pound EV subsidy deal kicks in it must be strange times for EV dealers like MH. I watch his videos and wish him the best but the Ami mk 1 had been a bit of a lemon so hopefully Mk 2 is better. Have colleagues in London without driving licence that it might siut if it is better.

Had a Dacia Logan, in white. Not an electric car so not appropriate to this thread but I would say a good car. It s a Sandero estate version really. Had one about a decade ago, cost about £10K. 3 year PCP deal. Sold back to dealer ad got £1K back as it was worth so much more than the £3k balloon payment. Made stacks of money running and getting 45p a mile and even running it on the lower rate was not losing money ie at 25p per mile Treasury mileage rate Anyroad up, back to EVs please and such posts about car colours to some other thread to keep this important thread on topic if you would be so kind and disciplined ?.

Those EVs that it is looking like will not get the UK government grant are likely slashing their prices to compete. Leap motors have already done so (this happened in Germany at the start of the year when they withdrew their 7,500 Euro subsidies). Now a super bargain. Chinese brand’s new LEAP-GRANT scheme undercuts rivals and puts the £14,495 T03 at the top of the UK’s electric car value charts Leapmotor has fired the starting pistol on a UK electric car price war by launching its own discount scheme. The LEAP-GRANT cuts the price of its entire EV model range by up to £3,750, undercutting both the competition and the Government. Buyers can now order the Leapmotor T03 from £14,495, where it previously cost £15,995. That makes it the cheapest new five-door electric car on sale in the UK right now, undercutting the Dacia Spring by £500. Of course, that could change once the list of government EV grants is confirmed. What’s new? - Leapmotor has taken the unusual step of introducing a manufacturer-funded electric car grant ahead of the UK Government’s incoming scheme. Called the ‘LEAP-GRANT’, it offers immediate savings of up to £3,750 on its electric vehicle range and is available across all of its UK retailers from launch. The scheme reduces the price of the C10 family SUV by the full £3,750, while the smaller T03 city car gets £1,500 off its list price. On top of that, both cars are also being offered with 0% APR finance, making the monthly payments especially competitive for drivers switching from petrol or diesel. ParkersHas Leapmotor just killed the cheap petrol car?Leapmotor launches its own EV grant, slashing prices across its range. The T03 city car now starts at just £14,495 – the cheapest new five-door electric car on sale in the UK.

Post about Leap Motors new lower prices put in this thread when should have been Truth about Electric cars.

Sort of glad that Chinese don't qualify as would have been gutted if the Mini we "bought", PCP, yesterday suddenly become much cheaper. But if the R4 drops a chunk that would be great though the Megane is cracking deal with 4 year 0% and it was even cheaper it will be incredible.

French should come out well in the CO2 production as so much of their Grid is nuclear powered. There was talk about production CO2 but not transportation in the UK EV grant scheme. Guess it probably takes about half a tonne per car to bring it from SE Asia to Europe. Below is the first of a new class of ship for us, launched 2023. 72,000 Gross tonnes, can car up to 7000 cars. Running three but plan is to a dozen or more. LNG powered which translates to about a quarter less Carbon emission. Interesting if the transportation Carbon is being included in the UK EV grant system. Picture at bottom, love piccy of a nice biggish merchant ship. Carbon taxing, or getting grants, is coming in big time. EU currently and close behind the UK is due to implements. GOV.UKFactsheet: Carbon border adjustment mechanismTaxation and Customs UnionCarbon Border Adjustment MechanismThe CBAM will initially apply to imports of certain goods and selected precursors whose production is carbon intensive and at most significant risk of carbon leakage: cement, iron and steel, alumin...

Apparently Public charging has been added to salary sacrifice schemes in addition to pension schemes, EV purchasing, nursery places ! 40% cheaper Public EV charging. Even I am thinking things maybe going a bit too far.... https://electroverse.com/business/salary-sacrifice

Us French firms usually know to the gram how much CO2 every stage of a process is but other countries, not so much I would have thought. Maybe that is part of the cunning plan ? French, German (& CZ) and Spanish car manufacturers maybe able to do this tout suit but CN, I have my doubts.

Was happy for my lad getting his Cooper E Exclusive level 1 with HOD and numerous quite nice features and Mini (with GWM) knocking these out at £31K is a good price I felt, always annoying if you feel one has lost out on possible lower monthly payments. Scheme will probably cause anyone even thinking of getting an EV to wait until September new Reg when the scheme should be in full swing by then. Let's see if Dealer/Agent discounts, cheaper finance etc just melt away and they take a good chunk of the pay out as happened under the last government's EV scheme.

Still a bit unsure ie second hand as well as new, as long as under £37k ? One can be sure that the discount will always be less than the VAT (still 20%) so Government will still get some revenue plus, hopefully ie a UK, or EU with our closer ties on buying each others made stuff, jobs etc from EVs made in Washington T&W, more sales at dealers who sell EVs, more car handovers, sales of associated stuff, finance and extras, it will be good for more turnover. Is there is list of cars out there ? Hopefully already having one lot of EV grant 4 years ago, and subsidised chargers as well, will not be a bar.

120 million Japanese work with it. I found, and my 6 foot fie friends, old mini fie for size. Remove seat rail stop. Drop the steering rack with a little bracket. Car has plenty of head room. I could not fit in a Hyundai Coupe just built for sub 6 footers. With EVs the one can tuck the electrical components easier. ICE cars fundamentally flawed as inline engines with the cylinder axis perpendicular to the road. Proper ICE cars use boxer engine or vvankel or the like to get a low bonnet or put the engine at the rear down low. Another reason EVs are superior.

Japan adopted K cars ie short cars, taxed less and more cars can be fitted on the kerbside. UK cars have got much longer than average cars a few decades ago. Charge less VED for sub 4m, or even 3.5m ir 3m cars. Great car park in Stroud had a sign up "Minis only" (old 10 foot Minis). Smarts Twos are even less. We don't exactly deal with problems as they are creaky emerging. Glad to see some car parks banning 5m cars in the standard spaces as they poke out in to the pedestrian walkway.

Be interesting to see which way the government goes. I think EVs can compete against ICE cars already without subsidies though it is also clear the UK car sellers are offering deals with finance ie 0% compared to ICE cars, appalling deals like 7.9% or so in that way manufactures are encouraging EV sales and punishing ICE buying. Presumably so they hit their 28% EV sales and don't get whacked with penalties. EVs have just become some much cheaper for a similar spec car which makes returning cars after PCP etc a strange event. Would love to keep my Zoe ZE50 Riviera but the balloon payment is about £13k. The car is probably worth £9k at best. Car was £34K RRP when new. Had about £10k of subsidies Government, Renault and Dealer. Monthly payment well under £300 a month, very cheap to run, energy, service, tyres. But will Renault Finance, who call themselves Mobilize now, sell me the car for £9k ? Very doubtful. Will give them a ring but dealer does not want to get involved only wants me to choose one of the 4 options. So my Zoe, like thousands of other Zoes goes back in to the massive pool of ZE50 Zoes going back to Renault Finance. They will be lucky to get £8k from a dealer I reckon. The system is annoying. Maybe UK Gov, for England and Wales, might do a £1K pay in to 2,3,4 year old EVs but in general I think the dealers will just add it to their margin so UK Gove needs to be smart about this and not end up wasting scant public funds.

Lab government go a different way to Con party in funding roll out of chargers and cars (return of subsidies ?). Emphasis on local rather than Trunk road for chargers as we did years ago when we owned Source London)..... https://www.aol.co.uk/news/government-announces-63m-funding-ev-121238871.html The transport secretary has promised to make it “easier and cheaper” to buy electric cars, as the government announces £63m worth of funding to help build charging infrastructure. Heidi Alexander said on Sunday she wanted to make it more affordable to switch to electric vehicles as she announced new money for councils and other bodies to spend on facilities to charge cars. She announced £63m worth of funding for EV charging, with officials also finalising plans for a £700m package of subsidies to bring down the cost of buying a new electric car.......The Conservative and Liberal Democrat coalition government introduced the first purchase subsidies for EVs in 2011, when sales and the number of models on offer were tiny. However, the Conservatives ended the subsidies in 2022 amid concerns that the policy was expensive and mainly benefited wealthier households, in a move that was heavily criticised by carmakers.