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Most model cars you can just drive at a wall and it will emergency brake. Think the UP or the like i first saw the demo, polystyrene wall of course. My Scenic seems to it do so for a large leaf, not a Nissan but a tree leaf. Remove the brake pedal I say, a polluting sub system !

Any modern car does this anyways. 30 ADAS system. Almost impossible to crash the car going forwards or backwards. Perhaps we need to ban all cars over 5 years or so old that have not got these safety systems as humans are the weak point in the safety equation ?

Miss the Zoe numeric display which is not in the Scenic. Zoe would wack in 30 kws ie sone 38 hp back in to battery, minus a little losses. Scenic just gives silly graphs and pictorial. Give me the numbers please as should be close to 40 kws and 50 or so hp proportionally.

Mechanic or Engineer ? (Sorry Graham, bit of a sensitive subject, not a personal jibe just hot on the differentiation, you may well have do true engineering stuff). Engineers design, develop etc. Mechanics replace, service etc. One can be both of course.

Regen power goes into supercapacitors first and then to the battery, or as much as it can take, which is as I said a bit limited when nearly full and cold too. Agreed it would be good, in those cold conditions to give the heat pump some additional power or even the battery heated and I suspect that will come if it is not already happen on some EVs. Software updates are happening all the time with EVs making them better ie Over the air updates. What EV want to avoid would be to have the brake discs and pads simulate Regen so it feel consistent across the range as that we drop it down to the same polluting standards of ICE cars and it looks like chalk dust (John McEnroe voice), sorry brake dust......

Even Harry from Harry's garage is not too bright on EVs and how they work. I enjoyed his large glowing report on the Renault 5 as with Petrol Ped and most of the online car magazines comments on the R5 but Harry needs to understand the tech a bit better. He took out the R5 on a coldish day and with 93% battery and pointed out the reg was weak ish, duh. The combination of cold and such a cold battery and full battery where is the regen power going to go ? Dash actually warn you will not get full regen until battery under 90 %. Other than that great review and like many many have said the R5 seems to be the game changer for ICE to EVs so they are saying in numbers much as the R5 was fifty years ago along with the Alfasud and other smaller ICE cars for the general population.

Top spec Scenic, the Ionic, has the photochromic sun roof. £2K and Scenic owners say it is pointless in the UK winter as it is dark anyways. Nicer stereo, seat, maybe. All 3 of the Scenic big batteries need their prices tweaking downwards as the Expensive Car Supplement will make buyers think twice. Techno model I can see dropping from £41k to £38k. Alpine to a pound under £40k and Iconic above maybe with even more toys. Lots of cars in the 40 to 45k bracket to magically drop below 40k, maybe minus some toys to get the price down.

I think they are suppose to look like gold ! Did not like that feature at all so was glad to see not on the Scenic which is fundamentally LWB Megane. I thought first you meant yellow piping in the car which did surprise me with the Scenic thought it sort of works better with the red paint than some of the other body colours. With the Megane I thought the body versus glass area looked a bit wrong but that is personal choice. The Google and screens are great, stalks maybe too much. With the gear selector on a stalk, indicators, wipers, audio and regen down and up means 6 stalks !!

Test drove the Megane etech, 220 hp UK spec, and decided not for me. The Arkana was about £10K cheaper and like now I still am only getting a petrol fuel card although Eon aer linke up with my new company and one can "buy" cheapish lecky at some of our DCs. Quickish car but not sure it felt like 220 hp. People far too easily compare HP rather than Torque, and the flatness of the torque curve, which I think is more important. Scenic has a slightly updated LG Chem battery back over the first Meganes, maybe the Megane have the same pack now ie 3% higher energy density. Sometime one sees the range quoted as 267 miles rather than 261 miles. As I mentioned on here a few weeks ago the ability of the car to go 11 miles beyond zero miles range quoted before it comes up with even "performance restricted" warning makes one wonder just how far it would go before slowing to a crawl, 15 miles, 20 miles beyond zero ? One big reason I chose the Scenic over the Megane was the enormously more rear cabin space. My offspring are quite tall and eldest daughter's family absolute giants. Daughter's bloke is 6'4', his brother is 6'10 but we seem to average around 6 foot as a family with some more. Even at 6'1" I have the seat right back to the stoppers. Downside is wheel spin as longer wheel base and FWD means not 60/40 but more like 56/44 weight distribution which is even worse on the big battery ie more like 55/45. Also Renault for the Scenic were doing red as there free colour, cheapish finance and a free £1k wall box, happy days, about £34K for a £37.5K car. Some cracking deals on the Megane etech nominal 60 kWh and now a bit over shadowed by CoTY 2024 Scenic, some may even be drawn down to the CoTY 2025 R5/A290 so the Megane gets a bit over shadowed from both directions which is a shame as it does have a niche. Would like to see Renault bring the 40 kWh, nominal LFP version but like most European car manufacturers the UK only get a fraction of the full European range. Very much missed the 1.8 TSIs being withdrawn from the Skoda range, best engine in the petrol range IMO, loved my L&K 1.8 TSI Octavia. If that was 160 hp I am a Dutchman, not much slower than my 2 litre VRS Octavia but better on gas and revved to 7k, much fun and missed. In winter Scenic is pretty hit by the cold ie maybe a third down on summer reported range. without a heat pump that might be more like 45% I gather. But like I said, loads of tricks to help the range. Just wish I had a big double garage or the like to keep it toastie, or battery pre-heating I could programme in. Also cheap lecky to 7 am rather than 0530 would be nice too !!

There certainly is planning required on long EV journeys and that is something many of us relish the challenge and we know the rewards are ultra low running costs and that we are doing as much as we can to give our children and grandchildren a better economic prospect for their future and minimise what they will need to spend on defences against climate change.

If I thought it would do some good then might do more on this Apps but whilst I have been driving EVs for coming up required years I am still new to public charging really. Only now I have got rid of the hybrid Arkana and am pure EV, other than occasionally going somewhere with July son in his Clio hybrid, I am trying to make a go of being pure EV. I might change my Zoe for a Sandero or another Dacia perhaps. I had forgotten about Plugshare but just been on it. Not impressed that chargers are showing when the comments state the charger has been vandalised by some luddite ie cables cut, but do see, much to my amazement, that there is going to be an eight stall Griserve station half a mile away ie just off J6 of the M5. Add a Costa or Starbucks and heaven has arrived !

I tend to use the Google 12 onboard software but the two issues I see. Firstly I get slow charging ie sometimes only 30 or 40 Kws but I don't know if it is my Scenic cold gating or I see the cables been vandalised but that is already on zap etc. Google good at telling how may stalls in use but not how many are faulty. BP and Shell just Sh 1 TE in my experience. Chargers don't start charging, authorise payment then freeze and their help desk just do not answer the phone. Will avoid and even use a TESLA charger as BP and Shell are that bad. On the other hand Gridserve Rugby was phenomenal, straight up to 130 kws and at 30% was still doing 100 kws. But then been driving 2 hours and battery nice and toastie presumably. No not the best public spirited but surely public charge operators should know exactly what is happening by a constant flow of data ?

I went for the smaller battery Scenic so public charging is something I am doing quite a lot of, only yesterday a quick zap and dash on Ionity charger. Of course charge at home as much as possible as it is about an eighth of the cost but Public charging is needed by many EV driver with wall boxes or granny chargers especially in winter when our range can be reduced by a thirds or so. Much less of an issue in warmer months April to October. My worry is more about the lack of UK government in making public charging sites available in the thousands or so sites needed and at a lowish cost relative to home charging. Those with drives have stumped up a grand or so per home wall box so there must be a but of a premium on public charging to cover capital cost of public chargers etc. Also there is clearly a massive amount of under reported of theft or vandalism of public charger cabling, I would say somewhere of the order of a third to a half of sites have had their cables cut. Public charging sites have not been very smart with lighting, security camera, armouring the cables and occasional security personnel visits which I would have thought would be economically justified. It looks like some operators and sites will simple never recover having their cables angle grind off. Just a point of how cheap Public charging can be I did a quick little charge yesterday, just 6.2 kWs to give me about 20 miles, cost £4.17, gets rolled in to my monthly Octopus house bill. That's about 3 litres of dino juice is it not. Just a buffer. Still made it home with about 8 kWh "in the tank" but just thought I would play it safe and of course charged next to a Porsche Taycan (not the ***** MacMaster) Cross Turismo and had chat, such nice people, cannot remember the last time I did that at a gas station. Roll on the summer and up from 3 miles per kwh to up around 4 miles per kWh.

Of course the Irish market is distorted, both North and South, is subjecting the Chinese EVs with massive Countervailing duties so a Korean or non Chinese car have a massive advantage in having a much lower landed cost. Not sure the Inster will do that well up against the LFP or NMC Renault 5, Grand Panda and the like in UK or Ireland.

The future for home battery working with one's car batteries ....... Not cheap currently but prices will fall like a stone over the next months etc.... Would only do with LFP batteries rather than Lithium NMC...

I don't think he is too bright or clued up about running EVs and especially in cool weather. He seems to fail to twig, understand or have any of the logical solutions that those that have run EVs for sometime and thought about what is effecting Lithium battery powered EVs in cold weather. We know Lithium batteries start to suffer charging and discharging and apparently even capacity issues as the temperature falls below 15C. JayEmm seems to have failed to watch and understand Norwegian youtubers like Bjorn Nyland and what he does to extend battery range in one of European's and the world coldest countries ie Norway. Firstly one should charge an EV just before the EV goes on its journey as charging warms the battery. Always set mine to charge as late as possible in the night so it is the least amount of time from ending charging to setting off in the vehicle. It is a great shame that the UK has such a poor domestic power structure to most home. With many European home having 3 phase rather than only single phase these European homes can whack in charge at home at a much higher rate ie 11, 16, 22 kWs depending on the EV and wall box used. I am sure more homes with Home batteries will be able output 3 phase to the cars sooner than later so it is not just the preserve with those with small holdings, farms etc to use their 3 phase at higher amperage which will help warm these EV just before they go out on their daily journey. Increasingly EVs have battery heater that can heat the battery so that it is toastie when you set off and works like it is summer. The outside weather, even rain as well as temperature does not effect the EV's range much it is the actual battery temperature ie being much less than 15C when commencing the journey. Pre conditioning battery heating before journey negates much of the problem. The problems is mainly with Lithium battery chemistry, less so with Lithium Iron Phosphate which is becoming the battery tech of choice and even these LFP batteries and now seeing other chemistry choices, specifically Sodium batteries which are another level again cold resistant. Some manufacturers are even mixing battery chemistry techs so EVs can have best of all world of performance at low temperatures, from LFP or Sodium and performance from Lithium NMC. Ans All the while all 3 of these chemistries improve in energy density and overall performance including across a wider temperature range by refining the chemistry. I may go for the LFP Car of the Year Renault 5. LFP is cheaper and it might make a better overall round the year car for a lower price. BYDs are all LFP I gather.

Many of us enjoy dual tariffs with Octopus or firms doing cheap night time like OCtopus GO and Intelligent Octopus go ie 8.5 or 7 p per KWh for 5 or 6 hours. Peak time rate only 25.32 p per wh so no real penalty there. These firms seem to reckon that giving more off peak time users will not use as much peak time lecky. Presumably they have worked out they will not lose money at these rates so why others so high. There gas is only 6.19 p per kwh also so quite a good rate. Apparently Eon, who I am also enrolled with to use chargers at work are no offering 6.7 P per KWh and for 7 hours a day !!!! ....... https://www.eonnext.com/tariffs/next-drive?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_account=E.ON-Next&utm_campaign=EV-Tariff-Acquisition-Search&utm_Adgroup={Adgroup}&utm_keyword=eon next electric car tariff&gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8KaA6-zEiwMV-5ZQBh1WmDPoEAAYASAAEgK8ZPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds In this time that the cap rate is due to go up about 7% or so on April Fools Day. Sound like we all need to be on one of these great dual rates and maximise their usage or fix tariffs unless all the deal are evaporating as Martin Lewis was saying they appeared to be doing.

Ohh very nice Porsche Taycan in the Cross Turismo spec he got and a lovely Green too.

Youtuber Definatelynotaguru. One of his best videos Criteria, as can be seen from front screen below, Decent ie 200 mile plus reported range, not silly mileage and under £12K Zoe gets first mentione but lots of other too including an early Model 3, big battery LEAF etc.... Quite well done IMO. .

We know it's all down to the time the power is needed. That 5pm to 7pm is so expensive to supply, other times the UK will have excess. The plan has to be to have a world wide network of power as solar increases by about a half every year. Just need the perkosite panels to come to market and energy solved with a link to Morocco and other sunny places.

EDF caught quite a cold in the last year or two. The rivers that cool the nuclear power stations went very low, due to climate change or/and some mis calculation on resilience of these plants in low water conditions plus EDF's labour relations with its staff was not great and EDF was in real problems keeping all those nuclear stations running and EDFs costs were so great to keep supplying its customers forced the company in to being partially renationalised. My sister was on one of those 3 year EDF deal paying so bargain price for energy which Electricity de France was certainly losing money over. UK needs to get to that tipping point where those massive wind farms supply so much energy, I gather something like twice what the UK grid can use, so probably of the order of 100 GWs, and also has something of the order of 1 TWh of battery and hydro energy storage so electricity become less than half of what it is now, something less than 10p per kWh is required to help industry as well as homes have more money to spend on product development and disposable income. It is coming and will gradually happen but it is going to be incremental but by 2029 we should be in very good shape. Good enough to spend 5% of GDP on military budgets if some have their way.

Batteries, both lithium nmc and LFP have been falling about 20% YoY, or about 25% YoY in real terms which is why the EVs are falling in price so quickly though increase in volume production as well as batteries falling in price. Wonder if prices fro. LG CHEM are falling ad quickly as CATL and BYD but probably are falling as lithium becomes cheaper. Just a worry than China has such a strangle hold on materials and such mass production setup everyone else is lagging behind in cost and even other factors ie energy density certainly at scale.

Had a look at the Spring when popping in. It looked well cheaper inside than the Sandero !

Of course. It is just chopping over to sometimes using the EV rather than the hybrid. The Zoe EV might have gone back to Renault when I got the Scenic EV but Renault only wanted the Arkana mild hybrid back and not the Zoe as their residuals were so low ie much lower than the balloon payment coming up so insisted I keep full pcp term. The will be wanting to get me another EV this year so will be super keen to get me in a Renault 5 I am reckoning. Deal has to be right though !

I think it is worth noting just how profitable running an electric car can be. My lad has had to transfer from the Worcester to the Gloucester depot for a few months. Firm is paying him just under £20 a day for his extra mileage. He has his hybrid Clio and that is doing about 54 mpg this time of the year. Would have to fill it up once a week as only has a 39 litre tank. So put him back on the Zoe EV insurance, less than a pound a day to do that, so he sometimes use the Zoe down to Gloucester. About 75 mile round trip so instead of £9 fuel a day it is less than £2 to use the Zoe, £7 saving ( plus servicing etc cheaper of course) Win, win for us and the planet !!