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Almost giving it away. Very nice offer. Good to think you can get cheap home charging and have the heating on. Great.

UK Councils have no money, UK Governments have not money. TESLA has very deep pockets and just needs the permission to get to work and change a site into TELSA charging hub. No cost to the council, may even get a junction or road improvement out of it. Grid Serve and others will need to sharpen their pencils and come up with some cheaper rates or deal to match TESLA who can easily under others as they manufacture their own charger units and I have heard are knocking them out at around a quarter the price than buying them off third parties that the other networks have to. Not within council's power to install charges and can only offer to tender and what is happening in the States is that TELSA can quite easily win just about every tender.

People not understanding Mr Musk seems to make them fearful when he is clearly driven by perfecting the products he sells are stepping stones to his new world vision and he does it as he is addicted to hard work and achieving goals and then moving on to the next major goal. To understand Mr Musk it is not just his product is technically advanced but so is his production techniques which make the legacy manufacturers look like the are still stuck in their old ways and have forgotten what Fred Winslow Taylor and Henry Ford did. Elon appies his, and his teams principals, to their car production and the rollout of the Super Charger network and the mega battery packs. Each is an application of KISS, Keep it Simple Stupid. His cars have less parts due to the Giga presses, builds a car in a third of the time others do, Super Chargers are in sets of half dozen craned off the delivery lorry in to place and plugged in to the three phase high amperage network. Mega packs similarly no doubt. Grid serve must be worried when someone comes along and sells power at two thirds the price to them and the small EV charge suppliers must hope that TESLA do not setup a charging hub anywhere near their installations. TESLA will dominate the market for charging within a couple of years at current rate, if they can get sites with the right grid connection. All good for us EV drivers looking for reliable and cheapest charging, I can see me getting a TESLA account quite soon. Just need the model 3 to drop below the luxury car tax banding ie £40K RRP and it then has to be an EV at the top of the list to acquire.

I have had my Zoe EV 2 years and done 15k miles in it and it is more pleasant to drive than similar 135-ish hp cars I have had. I drive it a hundred times or more a year and it is,logically, the car of choice in and around town. Doesn't need to warm up, I feel no issue flooring it 300 yards outside my house as there is no engine oil to warm up etc. Have used it many times for journeys of 120 miles or so ie Worcester to Heathrow and whilst I have always manager to get a get some charge at my office there, bank of ten chargers, I could make it home without charging if needed, just need to adapt, ie slow down to 50-55 mph where the battery use is very much lower and take a detour thru the Cotswolds rather the Motorway which saves more than 15 miles so assures me of getting home. If I wanted to charge there are more than 100 chargers, mostly rapid DC ones, at Banbury so a 10 or 15 minute stop would top me up and I use my Octopus Electroverse card so get a discount on the quite high standard charge rates and the cost is billed to my home account which is in credit so no instant cost to me for charging then and there. One pain is the Zoe battery pack means to height seat adjustment, only back and forward and steering wheel up and down. Zoe has over the air Google satnav which is great. Nearly exclusively charge at night at home which was 7.5p per kWh and is now 9p per kWh so energy is costing me about 2p a mile. Had two services, first A service was £99 and second B service was £120. Personally have no concerns about it catching fire but aware that thermal runaway can occur if battery cells were subjected to massive external heat or catastrophic collision resulting in rupture. No more worried with that than carrying 10 gallons of petrol in my tank. As well as the Zoe, ZE 50 Riviera, I have a mild Hybrid Arkana (Samsung, bult in South Korea) and son has a brand new Clio ETECH full hybrid but is not a PHEV. Both are a really pleasure to drive for me who does more than 25,000 miles a year. Like the full EV the hybrids have great torque and being auto are very relaxing to drive and have plenty of pickup but also both do about 60 mpg in mixed driving, can do 70 mpg in relaxed A road and motorway driving. Nice to have them and the assurance one can drive 500, 600 miles without any need for stopping and charging, filling up. EV benefit from massive UK government incentives, particularly salary sacrifice on the PCP which can give 42% reduction in the lease cost putting many cars in to people financial range. TESLA model 3 and Y and even Audis and dare I say Porsche, not that I would go down that route. UK EV charging network improving by the month and new charging place, often with 6 chargers or more popping up all over England and Wales I can see. No regrets getting the Zoe although the second hand prices have fallen a lot as Renault put a lot of ex PCP Zoes on to the market. Battery degradation seems very low. Very happy I have an EV in the fleet. Would I want to have just a EV or EVs, no. Range is not quite there for cheaper EVs but is getting there and offerings in a couple of years I think will be. Road tax currently zero and will only move to about £20 a year in 2025 so I am sure running cost will continue to be very low. Zoe will need a new lead acid 12v battery next year or in fourth year so cost of that £100 or so. Worrying that fuel prices seem to be heading back up to £2 a litre again and when I put petrol in the Arkana and Clio it sounds lack a lot if money to put £70 or even £50 respectively compared to the Zoe £5 which gets me 230 miles or so but I need to charge up two or three more often than I fill up of course. Good to have a choice of electricity or petrol to use but that is perhaps quite unusual to have that option. Most of the press I hear about EV hassles and worries and not ones I experience or share. It is, however, worrying that China seems to have got the technological jump as well as sourcing of lithium and manufacturing of car battery packs. I can see trade issues with this with Anti-Dumping Duties in to EU and UK to try and get Europe to catch up. TESLA looks like it will mop up much of the car market and in fact vehicle charging too as it has a brilliant rollout strategy, should be good for consumers. Bring it all on.

The Octopus goes from strength to strength !

In 15k miles I have only done one meaningful charge of public charging at that was using the free £10 I got from Octopus Energy when I joined Electroverse, which is the Octopus Energy Public charger account they run along side my Octopus Energy home account. All the rest has been charging at home on my pod points at overnight rates of 7.5 p per kwh and the Zoe does 4 miles per kWh on average, more in the summer and less in the winter. I have several free charges at my Heathrow office, and a client office. So my energy cost rate is under 2 pence per mile. Servicing is about £100 each year so that is adding about 1.3 pence a mile and no tyres needed just yet but I think I will need a pair of from tyres before 20k miles so in the next 5 months or so that will be adding about 1 p per mile. No road tax of course. Screen wash is just about minimal cost so I think all in circa 5p per mile cost. PCP I am paying is £280 a month so that is the big cost (45p per miles but I get a car allowance to cover the Zoe and my Arkana) and the other elements are MINIMAL by comparison. Best played at 1000W, RMS. I

Oh I think I can match that and possibly go one better. Similar chassis, Fiat I think, an x Ray van, car, thingy, I had to drive sometimes. Way over the 3500 kgs. No road tax. Crown exemption. Broke down a lot as could not really haul itself and Plymouth is hilly.

We sometimes load full sized HGVs and only put two tonnes in them as the cargo is empty drinks cans. On the other hand I have seized vehicles with max gross weights of 3500 kgs, taken out enough weight to fill a swb transit and 3500 Luton was still right at the weight limit. Easily done and with Solas regs got to be even more careful now

FOr Mr Skomaz (what does that mean, it does not Google well) et al, Oxford English Dictionary defines a car as https://www.oed.com/search/dictionary/?scope=Entries&q=car "A road vehicle powered by a motor (usually an internal combustion engine), designed to carry a driver and a small number of passengers, " So yes a van is a car, like your MX5 only just qualifies when it can only carry a driver and one passenger, perhaps better described as a hair dresser's accessory, but some vans only have two seat. The Caddy van my daughter drives, have two rows of seats, a car, 5 seats I think it is, pickup "truck", also a car, Morgan Three Wheeler, also a car, tuk tuk, a car, a citroen Ami, a quadricycle but also a car by the Oxford English dictionary. I know you tells us you did your arts course at Oxford but that is what is says, all cars so valid I would say including the van production on this Truth about EV cars and a time to celebrate hundreds of millions of pounds of investment in the UK by that multi-national corporation Stellantis, good on them. Even Bjorn Nyland, the EV guru likes a recent Citroen EV. Takes me back to the days as a young Customs Officer when people would buy a "van" ie no windows past the B pillar, and then sneakily put in the windows and the second row of seats the sneaky devils and we Officers would find them out and charge them the 10% car excise duty plus a fine of course, those were the days ! How much difference for a van to a car, zero by definition, just more semantics from the luddite types.

More good news and from Stellantis who have not always had the best of feedback on their EVs but in recent months I have been hearing more and more good things about Stellantis ie Citroen,Fiat, Peugeot, Opel, Vauxhall etc... Ah my old Berlingo, the space. The new slightly larger batteries and incremental improvement on drive train seem to have made the range somewhat better. Still not great but running costs are tilting the balance for many users to move over from ICE to EV......... https://www.just-auto.com/news/stellantis-starts-ev-van-output-at-ellesmere-port/?cf-view Stellantis has started electric van production at its rejigged Ellesmere Port factory in England.It is the UK’s first EV-only manufacturing plant and the first Stellantis plant dedicated to electric vehicles following a GBP100m investment to switch the plant to EV production. It will produce the Vauxhall Combo Electric, Opel Combo Electric, Peugeot e-Partner, Citroen e-Berlingo and Fiat E-Doblo compact vans.

I was simply picking up Graham on the use of the terms Billions for total cars when it is just over one billion for cars and 1 and a half billion including the vans etc whereas Billions, to most people I reckons is several billions ie at least 3 but probably 4 or more. If one said there were several people in the room it would not mean there was one person or one person and a child but a group of 4 or I would say 5 or move to qualify as several billion which billions implies. As to cars I point out the terms is both ambiguous and vague to many. So a Twizzy with full sized motor is a car but with the smaller motor is a quadricycle. Looks the same. Tuk Tuks, of which there are millions of them, are not cars even though they often carry six, or more, people but just have 3 wheels, not a car. We were talking about registered cars and there are hundred of thousands made in the last weeks awaiting buyer pickup and registration. There are millions of unsold ICE cars, not registered yet, apparently you can pickup an Audi Q5 for less than $10k they are so unwanted in China. Most the "EVs" in fields in China are actually hybrids and not full EVs. There has been a wholesale fraud exercise in China where some have been claiming the big EV subsidies and then removing the battery pack in to another chassis and claiming the subsidy again leaving a car at the scrapper as a shell without the valuable battery pack. They are being dealt with by Chinese authorities and probably will not see the light of day in a long time if ever. What is obvious to say is that EV adoption is happening at a technical disruption speed with ICE cars being scrapped early as they are no long viable compared to EVS ro being hollowed out and the guts being replaced by EV gubbins. Not so obvious with the UK but in the really big countries it is happening at a pace which is binning the old tech ICE for EV and those countries will be net richer for it rather than buying oil from despotes.

The thread is about electric cars and a vehicle ie motorised to carry people and sometimes goods is a very different beastie but one that has super relevance to where EV drivers are coming from ie stop burning carbon fuels and polluting our cities and there are cars and then there are quadricycles, 3 wheelers like tuk tuks and motorcycle and in the populous countries in the world, and the ones with very bad pollution in their cities the motorcycle, and three wheelers, are a huge part of the vehicle numbers. Glad to see and share that electric 2 and 3 wheelers are in vast numbers and if taken overall for vehicles in this cities it is well in to double figured percentages not low single digit percentages. https://cleantechnica.com/2023/07/20/100-million-2-wheel-electric-vehicles-in-2027/ According to a recent report from Rethink Energy, post-Covid pandemic electric 2-wheeler sales are recovering globally. Since 2021, there has been marginal growth in the sector, with a move towards electrification. However, they expect that by 2027, over 100 million electric 2-wheelers will be on the roads globally. At the end of 2022, the global fleet of 2- and 3-wheel vehicles was estimated to be 292.4 million vehicles. Most of these can be found in China and India. Though, there has been significant sales growth in African countries. Indonesia and Vietnam also have large numbers of 2- and 3-wheelers. 2022 saw 2/3-wheel electric vehicle sales take up 49% of the total market, mostly because of China’s position as both the volume market leader and as the global leader in vehicle electrification, though other countries are continually picking up pace in electrifying new vehicle sales. “China accounted for 53% of global 2-wheel vehicle sales in 2021, a staggering 70% of which ran on an electric motor. .....India sold 13.6 million 2/3-wheel vehicles in 2021 — 1% of which were electrified. In 2022, 15 million were sold — 5% of which were electric. A quantum change is occurring and at a staggering pace and not seen so much here in the UK without the subsidies that were present but in those countries that really matter to world CO2 and urban pollution ie China and India particularly and it is looking like it is transforming at a pace far faster than Western countries an across all vehicle types 2, 3 and 4 wheeled ones. I do not trust the UK Con party to be leaders in this but in this Asian Century there are Asian countries that are leading the way and not just in cars but with other vehicle types too.

If Nissan cannot solve it junk bond issue, cannot lend from Japanese government, then it will be out of business well before 2030. LEAF out of date, ARIYA seems quite good and I would buy rather than an Megane-e which it share platform with but sales are rubbish in the States and it looks like it is going to oblivion as with other Japanese car companies who look like they have missed the EV boat unless the pull out fantastic solid state batteries but they seem more like the Wizard of Oz rather than TESLA at the moment.

40 million, a small number !!! The sales charts. Looking like it will be over 1M TESLA Model Ys sold this year and add that to the millions of other EVs being sold in 2023 I think there might well be less vehicles eventually as why have one on the drive, or in the road as self driving cars, again TESLA leading the rollout. UK kids finding it very difficult to get a driving test so eventually why both to get a licence as cars will drive you around. We will need a lot less cars if they are just coming to you when needed and just ****ing outside ones property 95% of the time.

You either cannot read properly or have a strange way of rounding. There is just a bit over a billions cars in the world. Now about 4 % of them are EVs and this is rapidly changing. There is just under half a billion vans and trucks. There are about three quarter of a billion motorbikes. Many vans and some trucks are now EVs. DPD in the UK and several European countries is more EV than ICE. There are several motorcycle manufacturers than make EV bikes and in the next few days Kawasaki will launch its EV bike..... (not got it quite right as it needed to be at least 10 kWs)

The UK is a backwater. Most big car makers will not make RHD versions until they have got a good sized batch of LHD version as this is where most their sales are. We all breathe the same air and this is why many of us are try to move forward to "Stop Burning Stuff". Some of us think not it little nationalist ways but as a citizen of Earth.

Just getting my Zoe back from its B service, £120 cost. Just booked the Arkana for its B service, £249 cost. Damn the expensive to service and run ICE cars !

vorsprung durch technik. This is what you get from German/BMW Minis. Would not have happened in my G Reg, first time round, 850 cc mini.

No it does not. It mentions cumulative amounts of EVs ie .... For the full year of 2023, we expect sales of 14 million EVs, a growth of 33 % over 2022, with BEVs reaching 10 million units and PHEVs 4 million units. By the end of 2023 we expect 40 million EVs in operation, counting light vehicles, 70 % are BEVs and 30 % PHEVs.

TESLA cars are normally programmed with 20 languages and if one includes English, Spanish, Urdu, Cantonese and a few other choice ones one should be able to cover a language most people can speak. If one is renting ahead I expect one can ask the hire company to download and install ie Portuguese/Brazilian or whatever. Not difficult.

One must speak the Queen/King's English naturally.

You seem to about a decade behind on super and ultracapacitors. How about enough power to move 6m and 12 buses and keep them running all day with only occasional 20 second charges. Still electronics but dealing with MJ of power. Large capacitors in vehicles regen system not just straight in to lithium battery. These Super/Ultra-Capacitors look like battery packs, mechanics oft think are batteries but they are supercapacitor packs. KERRs in F1 cars etc. Video below gets me a bit excited, not sure why......

I think the idea is to use voice rather than finger on the 17 inch tablet. TESLA have window buttons and indicator etc stalks I gather. On most TESLA the screen is on the right side of the driver as vast majority of TESLAs are LHD. TESLA does not even make half its models in RHD ie the S or the X currently. "Left side is the right side and the right side is the wrong side", oh that is for charge ports rather than tablet. Take a 17 inch tablet and see me in the morning.

Also picking up from Southampton, bypassing the dealer and saving many hundreds of pounds. Light years ahead of other car sellers.

https://www.ev-volumes.com/