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Cheap to run if one is charging at home on the very cheap night-time rates but bloody expensive if one if paying full price at Public Chargers. Sadly most EVs are not suitable for over 250 mile journeys in a days visit to other places of work and especially in the cooler times of the year without big prep ie pre-heating etc. Also with no grants any longer for buying an EV in the UK the car I am in the process of buying is a pure petrol. Will keep the Zoe for journeys in the Midlands and will continue to look to batteries to carry. Bjorn Nyland has been carrying the Ecoflow and and extra Ecoflow battery if he runs out and these will get better and better. If one is a highmiler or more importantly a long distance driver then Internal Combustion engines and still the sensible tool of choice.

Very sad and for the following rider who was involved, we have lost so many riders this way and airbag racing suits etc do not help in this type of crash. 10 years since Marco Simoncelli and there have been quite a few. Not sure the answer but perhaps a more staggered grid as this occurrence seem to happen on lap one when jockeying is most intense. Even a limit on horsepower in these end of season races when temperature and grip are lower. The worse of accident types IMO. Thanks for his and his fellow riders massive bravery and talent and may his family find peace in his personal choice to go racing.

Ahh but "only" 49 p for the AC chargers and for the unique Zoe that means 22 kWh at that rate. Megane-e is 22 kWh AC charger as well. Well done Renault !!! Low Power charging Power: up to 22kW Connector types: Type 2 Our Low Power chargers provide even more EV charging flexibility as they use a Type 2 connector and provide a maximum output of 22kW. Type 2 charge ports are featured on most plug-in electric vehicles, regardless of age, which is why you’ll find them at the vast majority of our Electric Hubs. We also offer both tethered and untethered units at our GRIDSERVE Electric Forecourts® at this pricing. 49p/kWh https://www.gridserve.com/our-pricing/

Keep meaning to go to the Trade Centre here between Brum and Black country. Just crazy prices ie £4k for a not too old car, what is the catch ? https://www.tradecentreuk.com/ 2018 FIAT PANDA1.2 Easy 5dr ET67GKG Manual Petrol 43,537 42.8 mpg 4U Ins. Group Was£5999 NOW£3999 Just£20 OR FREE FINANCE CHECK Finance Example 2017 TOYOTA AYGO1.0 VVT-i X 5dr FA17KMM Manual Petrol 39,091 56.5 mpg 6E Ins. Group Was£5999 NOW£3999 Just£20 OR FREE FINANCE CHECK Finance Example 2017 PEUGEOT 1081.0 Active 3dr HV67BOU Manual Petrol 63,389 56.5 mpg 6E Ins. Group Was£5999 NOW£3999 Just£20 OR FREE FINANCE CHECK Finance Example 2017 FIAT 5001.2 Pop 3dr BK17OSE Manual Petrol 16,043 42.8 mpg 7D Ins. Group Was£5999 NOW£3999 Just£20 OR FREE FINANCE CHECK Finance Example 2017 PEUGEOT 1081.0 Active 3dr YT67BKF Manual Petrol 14,725 56.5 mpg 6E Ins. Group Was£5999 NOW£3999 Just£20 OR FREE FINANCE CHECK Finance Example

With Euro and the US dollar much stronger against the GB pound this week and possibly until UK gets its financial act together imported cars will becoming more expensive and that will knock on to second hand prices. Mind you the every growing loss of disposable income for the middle class will be pulling the other way as some cannot continue to pay their PCP and try and give back their cars.

My last of the really cheap tariffs.... Average 8.28 p/kWh. I used about 90% of the lecky you did. Doubt will every see prices that low again. Next will be very different and West Midland seem to be on the higher side for the peak time cost at 40p per kWh including VAT which I am still hoping they will suspend for a year or two. Octopus Go (5th August 2022 - 4th September 2022) Breakdown by rate - Rate Consumption Cost 4.76p/kWh 297.1 kWh £14.14 14.90p/kWh 157.8 kWh £23.515 Total consumption 454.9kWh @ 8.28p/kWh † £37.66 Standing Charge 31 days @ 23.81p/day £7.38 Subtotal of charges before VAT £45.04 VAT @ 5.00% £2.25 Total Electricity Charges £47.29 † Average unit rate charged per kilowatt-hour.

Martin Lewis tried to explain what is happening to people like me on non-peak/peak tariff combos but I am still not clear. My rate is now 7.5p per kWh for the 4 hour off peak and 40p per kWh for the 20 hours between 0030 and 0430. Apparently those of us on the EV charging and Economy 7 type rates they will do a bit of a maths and might bring down the peak rate by as much as 17p a kWh but only if the new revised rate is not less than the 34p or the mean average of combined rate or something like that so if one was on 50 p for the peak rate it could come down to 34p per kWh or something closer to that taking in to consideration that for 1/6 of the time one was on off peak that was between a fifth and sixth of the peak rate so I thought maybe I might just get a cut of a penny or two off the top rate ie 38p or 39p per kWh but no change to the 7.5p per kWh which is very cheap anyways. That would do me nicely or OK to stick with 7.5p and 40p and 10.3 for gas which is great when one uses well over 12,000 kWh of gas per year but only about a third of that for lecky.

I think the crazy DDs may be in part down to users already in debt and therefore a combination of meeting the new costs and getting themselves back to not being in debt to the supplier. To some of us the £67 is a big part of our normal bill, to others it will be a relatively smaller part so for me the £67 a month for 6 months means I will hardly notice any increase in energy bills but to others the £67 will only make a dent in the increase of their outgoings. The odd things is that a live in a 4 bedroom house and am charging an EV so surely I should be paying three to four K by the published averages. Guess I just like it cool in the house and I am with Octopus rather than a rip off supplier.

Nice move by Octopus to just take the £67 from the government off one's Direct Debit. No indication yet that Octopus want to raise my DD yet from its £125 a month, which they will take in full this month and I will be about £200 in credit after September usage and my DD. So DD going down to £58 in October and onwards will be very good. Zoe charging done twice, three or four times a week to add about 60 miles each session and now that session cost just over £1 on my little 3.6 kW charger, 4 hours at my new rate of 7.5p per kWh from Octopus. Hopefully lecky standing charge to go down as Octopus have said they will charge 4% less than the government cap. Gas at only 10.3p per kWh should not be too painful either. Expecting my DD will have to go back up to £125 pm true, so £192 going in to my Octopus gas and lecky account but not heard if VAT is going to be suspended for domestic use ie 5% to zero, might be announced 23rd September in the Emergency Budget ?

Great to see Marquez back and his fantastic riding style..... And the Ducatis doing over 220 mph down the Aragon back straight. Well done Quartararo getting 6th on the grid on this non-Yamaha track. Should be a good race tomorrow.

ZE50 Zoe is more than a City car and quite capable of the Worcester to Heathrow and back again in the warmer half of the year but my lad loves it and I have trouble get it off him for him to do his 10 miles there, 10 mile back and we both like the car so much although I did the PCP for only 6k miles a year but did well over 8k in the year. But the diesel Fabia is so good and incredible cheap running costs with its 70 mpg and zero road tax. With the fuel card for the diesel making the fuel effectively less than 40p a litre so less than 3p a mile but I will see if my company do fulfil my request to swap my diesel fuel card for an EV electricity card. I do not understand the logic of many EV owners to tank it at 75-80 or move and then spent much longer charging when it is not rocket science to work out that choosing a speed of 65 to 70 actually can do the journey as quick and much cheaper. It is hard to argue against the logic of running a Tesla over the last decade. I have the new Renault Megane-e for a couple of days which is looking like a big step on from the Zoe as a motorway car.....

The Renault Zoe has achieved over 400 miles in some maximum range exercise, the only problem is this was achieved with an average speed of 20 mph I recall. As long as there is no minimum speeds, which there are not many in the UK I gather, then take it real slow, an electricity grid pricing protest rather than a fuel pricing protest. A long queue of EVs driving at 30 mph on Motorways and A-road protesting at the extortionate pricing at DC charging stations. Glad to see quite a few of the 22 kWh AC stations are still at 39p a kWh or so, I can get about 2 miles of range added for every minute attached to one of those.

So slow down, extend the EV range and continue charging at home. Less than a hundred pound spent for 8000 miles!

Perhaps trying to get Liz to subsidise them like the home lecky?

OMG. I have £10 of Octopus Juice credit but to think I would use it on an Osprey charger and only get 10 kWh out of it for the £10 is mad. Not many other chargers as I can use as Octopus Juice has not linked up to other big charger providers yet, Allstar just linked up with Gridserve and I hope to get their card soon but let see how the other providers respond. Osprey looking for a big bailout like the home suppliers at getting ei to subsidise their prices by 15% of more perhaps ?

Indeed and this is a shameful situation that low users in mainland GB, not NI as they do not mostly have a Standing Charge I gather and the full cost is just in the kWh rate, as this massive hike in Standing Charges which is much do to Government incompetence in who they allowed to become energy providers. It should be that energy providers could only offer rates which are within the energy contracts they have secured and that they have sufficient insurance to cover energy supplier failure. The price for one's first kWh of the day is effectively going to be the best part of a quid, standing charge and one kWh cost, ie enough power to run a 3 bar 3 kWh electric fire for 20 minutes. Shame on you Con government. £2,500 cost to user, considering the Cons have kept the 5% VAT, the VAT element is £120, so by not zero rating the VAT the Cons are only giving us £280 of our own money across the 6 months ie £46.67 a month net for the winter months whilst collecting the 5% VAT in the summer months and clawing back much of the £47 a month they are giving us as the average user is going to be paying about £40 in VAT during the summer so further reducing what it is actually costing the Con government even less which is largely due to their total lack of investing in gas storage and nuclear power plants.

I have heard of different cheap hours with Octopus, some EV owners could opt for longer hours ie 5 hours or so and their is still an Economy 7 tariff I gather but the cheap rate is much higher than the 7.5p per kWh. Looking at Octopus Agile that have been extremely few half hour slots that the price drop anywhere close to sub 10p per kWh so much that it looked that Octopus GO was vastly superior in cost saving. All went Pete Tong at around mid June and since then I have seen none of the hyper cheap or free timeslots on those tariffs that track actual market prices plus the handling charge.

Price board for the EV charging ...... Morrisons Clacton on sea........

34p for lecky, 10.3p for Gas.................................................. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/energy-bills-support/energy-bills-support-factsheet-8-september-2022#:~:text=The average unit price for,on time for 1 October. If you’re on a standard variable tariff The average unit price for dual fuel customers paying by direct debit will be limited to 34.0p/kWh for electricity and 10.3p/kWh for gas, inclusive of VAT, from 1 October. These unit prices have been passed to suppliers to ensure that they are used to calculate bills on time for 1 October.

The conservative party clearly do not believe that it is purely market forces at work. Where our UK government has failed is that certain commodities require to be few as strategic and therefore there needs to be contingency planning. The UK storage is just enough for 4 of 5 days. Europe has one hundred time more storage so enough more quite a few weeks........ https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/sep/24/how-uk-energy-policies-have-left-britain-exposed-to-winter-gas-price-hikes The UK’s stores hold enough gas to meet the demand of four to five winter days, or just 1% of Europe’s total available storage. The Netherlands has capacity more than nine times the UK’s, while Germany’s is 16 times the size. They seem reluctant to force the North Sea companies to sell the gas from there at the prices they were selling at a few months ago. Their costs have not risen that much, a bit more cost for the equipment which is generally priced in USD and the GBP is very weak at the moment so there is a bit more cost in that direction but not double, triple etc. It is a mystery why those of us on green renewable tariffs are paying anything more at all as it is all suppose to be coming from renewables but perhaps the price of wood pellets are up a lot. Lots of sites, perhaps the new Hornsea mega wind farms, are now selling their power at the highest prices they can get so they are now able to pay down their capital debt quicker. Hopefully that will mean they will crack on and build the next stage of the offshore wind farm even earlier. The North sea is going to become one of the most, if not the most, energy source area in the world. With Hornsea 2 just brought on line great to see there is something we lead on even if it is just for a while before China overtakes as like India has with its economic size.

Spot on. What I do not understand is the lack of take up of tariffs like Octopus GO. Are Octopus not allowing masses to join the tarriff ? I did not even have to prove I even had an EV as I recall, maybe I did but do not remember it. I did to get the £500 grant subsidy for the charger ie send pictures of the car on the drive etc. It has not seemed super hard to use half my lecky in the 4 hour night time period. A couple of time clocks for the lecky so the washing machine and tumble dryer switch on then and luckily both my son and I are night birds and spend some of this 0030 to 0430 aware and sleep 0430 to 0900 or later in my son's case as he works afternoons and evening rather than mornings. Wondering how I can help my brother. A powerful battery device/bank has got to be worth it and there should be energy consultants offering this sort of analysis and cost saying and payback period for this heat pump setup. Presumably we are talking 10, 12 GWh plus rather than just 2, 5, or even 7 kWh needed each day ?

it all sounds, a device/system that gives you four times as much energy out than you put in (the other 3/4 come from the outside and hence cools down Planet Earth). Plus the government will give you up to £5k towards the installation. So many stories of the installers spoiling the ship for a hapeth of tar, undersized component or so over-specing the system it still costs a fortune. Got to be a better way and perhaps experience as well as published user satisfaction will show us consumers the optimum way forward.

My brother has a ASHP in his new build in Cambs and I do not think he has much of a clue about it. The heat lump tech has its own little room within the house. He has built up a few hundred quid in credit during the summer but if he has not got his energy rates got sorted out like my sister and myself ie I suppose he could be trapped in to paying 60p, 70p, 80p per kWh which is crazy as my higher day time rate is only 40p kWh for over the next year, 7.5p for the four hours between 0030 and 0430. I doubt he knows about the chemicals etc although there is some in this special ASHP room although there are sticker on the equipment and quite a manual for the system which would be Greek to my bother. I would love a Heat pump but are just looking at the small portable almost room sized units which could look after most the downstairs.

My dilemma, which must be similar to many with car allowance and fuel card, whether electric is really so much better as a benefit. Companies providing access to EV salary sacrifice scheme looks really good but my firm is only just talking about it. With fuel ie diesel. petrol and electricity it is a weird calculation with the variable changing so quickly and most companies do like their employee changing several times a year as to which benefit the want but fuel prices and car availability have been so all over the place it. I can charge at home for 5p a kW hour and the Zoe does about 4 miles per kWh averaged over winter and summer but if I change my diesel fuel card to an electric Allstar car will I be better off. It would be ideal if I could charge my home electricity to the Employer. I think charging to SOC 90% is probably best, so I get best regen and then using Gridserve on the way home, as near as home as possible, and charge to 90% again. Only charge to 100%, which is really about 103%, when I have particularly long journeys to do. I think the decision will just come down to a wish not to use dinosaur juice with all its consequences and just be happy that either home charging or charging during the journey with the fuel card is going to be 10p a kWh or less ie 2.5p a mile and this makes it small compared to the actual car allowance, even if doing 6000 work miles a year and if one is doing a couple thousand private miles that are also subsidised then happy days and just thank lucky stars for some company perks. Was hoping to get a free charge at Forest Green Rovers on Saturday but I think they only have 4 chargers. Their new stadium off the M5 should be mega when built and hopefully dozens of free chargers, even of only 7 kwh ones , as long as you are a visitor coming to watch the game of course. Dobbies garden centres are suppose to have charger now as well as service stations having Gridserve charge points at the more reasonable prices per kWh making charging still cheap with the RFID Allstar card charging back to employer and only then getting docked a fraction as BIK taxation thru payroll now rather than P11D and annually dealing with on Self Assessment return and tax code setting a level.

Yes saw this. Be interesting to compare to the Megane-e that Renault are keen for me to buy from them. £10k cheaper, similar range, rear wheel drive. Wonder what the high performance ie sub 4 second to 60, 4 wheel drive version is going to sell for. Got to be £40k plus but that would be an incredible performance car for that sort of money.