a friend has done a head gasket on his car and then making sure there was no contact between piston and valves he pushed his car in gear 5.

fair play, but neither of us thought anything of it when we pushed the car backwords in gear 5!! :confused:

when we tried to start the car it just whirrs more than sounding like its trying to start.. and we are certain the timing is out. but i wont take credit for that, the car was a rover 214 8v bubble shape

this put me off wanting to do my misses head gasket :/

how much trouble are we in?

the rover head gasket is very easy the timing a dodle but you must remember that when the head is off you must not turn the crank as it uses sleeves and if you do the sleeve will move and you have one knackered engine..

the best think to do is re-do the timing and turn cranck over a couple of times no need to push the car

check the timing marks make sure all are inline. aslong as there in line should rule that one out....

Edited 1 February, 200917 yr by Bigw2069
Edited sweary, let the filter do its thing please.

i said exactly that about turning the crank but he wanted his own way so i let it be

but i guess it was a stupid mistake to push it backwards in gear 5, he posted on the rover forums and still no reply so i thought i would try on here

would it cause any damage pushing it backwards in gear 5?

I'd be curious to it going backwards in 5th if it's in gear.

no it shouldnt mate if it was miss timed the damage was already done when turning it over you should have the spark plugs out aswell mate.. best think to do is double check the timing the crank should be at 90degrees:thumbup: btdc

I'd be curious to it going backwards in 5th if it's in gear.

That's the easiest way to turn the engine. A high gear for the engine to pull means a low one driving from the wheels. 1st or reverse would be much harder.

To the OP: it won't hurt it, unless turning the engine at all would hurt it (like if you have the cam timing way out).

Check the cam timing.

That's the easiest way to turn the engine. A high gear for the engine to pull means a low one driving from the wheels. 1st or reverse would be much harder.

To the OP: it won't hurt it, unless turning the engine at all would hurt it (like if you have the cam timing way out).

Check the cam timing.

right then, so the real concern is wether the valves have bent or not?

if they have what sort of a job is it to replace them?

how much is he looking?

im telling you with honestly the way he did the belt i think it will be back on there just like it was completely guessed so is there a chance that it may infact be ok and just work once timed?

man

this makes me look completely stupid!

take the covers off and check the marks mate really isnt that hard. if the valves are bent again a really easy job if you get the valves if they are bent i will happily lend you the stuff you need...

( p.s i had a r25 and changed head gasket once and a full engine rebuild once so im okay with these cars now lol)

if you dont no how to do it stop and let someone that does do it..

right then, so the real concern is wether the valves have bent or not?

Yep.

if they have what sort of a job is it to replace them?

how much is he looking?

A fair bit of work if they are bent. As someone said, if the crank has turned with the head off, you'll have shifted the liners . If the valves are bent it's new valves, maybe a new head, plus grinding them in. 16 of them.

im telling you with honestly the way he did the belt i think it will be back on there just like it was completely guessed so is there a chance that it may infact be ok and just work once timed?

Maybe. I'd try it- it's not likley to get any worse.

mate if you send me your address i have the workshop manual on cd rom tells you how to do all the jobs step by step all you need to do when you load it is change the date on the computer too1994 i think and it will work

foc i dont need it no more

and i have the proper cam locking tool somewhere if you want it mate

Yep.

A fair bit of work if they are bent. As someone said, if the crank has turned with the head off, you'll have shifted the liners . If the valves are bent it's new valves, maybe a new head, plus grinding them in. 16 of them.

Maybe. I'd try it- it's not likley to get any worse.

its an 8v mate

and it was turned over with the head on

8 valve you wont need the locking tool lol but the cd does cover that engine so you should be okay and if the valves are bent it aint a huge job mate cost you about £ 50 for the valves and if you send it to me i will do it for you for a pint

take the covers off and check the marks mate really isnt that hard. if the valves are bent again a really easy job if you get the valves if they are bent i will happily lend you the stuff you need...

( p.s i had a r25 and changed head gasket once and a full engine rebuild once so im okay with these cars now lol)

if you dont no how to do it stop and let someone that does do it..

what stuff will i need?

im pretty sure i will be able to do it whatever it is that has to be done, it wasn't me that put the belt back on wrong!

the cd will explain how to do it bud it will just confuse you if i tell oyu via here:thumbup:

8 valve you wont need the locking tool lol but the cd does cover that engine so you should be okay and if the valves are bent it aint a huge job mate cost you about £ 50 for the valves and if you send it to me i will do it for you for a pint

that will be seriously considered! also out of curiosity would the engine run any nicer with new valves in? or would it just be the same except unbent?

i had a phone call about 15 nmins ago asking if i would do a head gasket on one of his mates rovers! i said £200 hes gonna get in touch

i still need to finish the head gasket on my misses rover

rover rover rover!

arghhh!!

lol let me no mate if you get stuck the cd covers all rovers and mg's

are you charging £200 and he's supplying parts??? remeber use the new gaskets for the 16 valvers:thumbup: yes it will run abit nicer but only because its as good as new and not coked up:thumbup:

that will be seriously considered! also out of curiosity would the engine run any nicer with new valves in? or would it just be the same except unbent?

No difference, unless some were not seating well.

No difference, unless some were not seating well.

what you on of course it runs a little better a decoked head with new seat valves not for long mind but the first 1k miles it will..

lol let me no mate if you get stuck the cd covers all rovers and mg's

are you charging £200 and he's supplying parts??? remeber use the new gaskets for the 16 valvers:thumbup: yes it will run abit nicer but only because its as good as new and not coked up:thumbup:

well friend of a friend, parts for my misses car cost 80 including air filter, and spark plugs and haynes manual, and they arent really a part of the head gasket job i guess? anyway if say im making £100 out of it then im happy

i also brought the new gasket for ours with the steel shim and the thicker gasket or something like that

what you on of course it runs a little better a decoked head with new seat valves not for long mind but the first 1k miles it will..

I think the key is 'a little', and '1k miles'

Of course, if the HG has gone it will be quite a bit better after doing that.

cool mate if you need a hand gives us a shout a nice day out

should only take about 2 hours to do a 16 valve head and about 1 hour to do an 8 valver

1 hour!

took me half an hour before i finished unbolting the damn thing, and i cheated, i didnt take off the inlet manifold or nout, just took a couple cable ties off to stop anything catching and pulling, then leaned the head back (and broke the dipstick admitedly woops) cleaned the head up and swapped the gasket.

i broke a head bolt off in mine so had to spend the time to drop the sump and take the oil rail off to get at it thats why it never got finished it got dark

why does it take longer in a 16v? i would have thought being able to lock the cams off it would save some time maybe with timing it back up..

or maybe im wrong