Hi all,

The front wipers on my Favorit are REALLY slow, even if i pull back the wipers and let them wave

the motor is not excessivly noisy but seems to lack speed. Between the slow and fast speed there is hardly any difference and the intermittent doesnt work. Also maybe another key thing is that as soon as return the stalk to the "off" position the wipers stay were they are, and do not return to a "parking" position.

What could this be? is there some sort of wiper controller? or the motor has just had it?

Cheers

Courior

It'll either be the motor or the wiper linkage has started to seize

It'll either be the motor or the wiper linkage has started to seize

Should the favorit have intermittent wipe and the wipers return to "park" position though?

Intermittent wipe - dunno. Are there 2 positions in which the wipers don't work for 4 in total, or only 3 (off, slow, and "not as slow" in this case)?

Self-park - yes. A bad motor earth or siezing linkage could stop this working correctly though.

Worn out carbon brushes?

Intermittent wipe - dunno. Are there 2 positions in which the wipers don't work for 4 in total, or only 3 (off, slow, and "not as slow" in this case)?

Self-park - yes. A bad motor earth or siezing linkage could stop this working correctly though.

Hi Ken,

If i put the stick all the way to the top its "not as slow", then next one down is slow, next down is off and then off again.

Ishmael,

I presume carbon brushes are the motor brushes?

Ishmael,

I presume carbon brushes are the motor brushes?

That's right. They're a common cause of slow running on model railway engines when they get worn down; similarly on washing machine motors.

They could be the cause of the problem on your wiper motor.

I just had a look at the motor and found that the previous owner has done some cowboy electrics and its all joined together with electrical tape!! i think some re-wiring is needed lol!

From what you say, you should have an intermittant setting, and yes you need to sort out the cowboy electrics first!

Once you've done that, my suspicions may be confirmed:-

1) You should have intermittant wipe, but it's been disconnected. Alternatively, you should have flick-wipe (push stalk in opposite direction and get one wipe).

2) The wiper motor has a bad connection and/or worn out motor bushes.

3) You may also have "programmed" wash-wipe (use the washers and get a few wipes as well).

From what you say, you should have an intermittant setting, and yes you need to sort out the cowboy electrics first!

Once you've done that, my suspicions may be confirmed:-

1) You should have intermittant wipe, but it's been disconnected. Alternatively, you should have flick-wipe (push stalk in opposite direction and get one wipe).

2) The wiper motor has a bad connection and/or worn out motor bushes.

3) You may also have "programmed" wash-wipe (use the washers and get a few wipes as well).

Thanks for the reply mate. Going on your points i think i need a new motor!

1) I dont have a flick wipe at all either... When you say the intermittent was disconected, where from? is there some microchip/relay box i can check on?? The wiring from the car to the block connector is Stock.. but from the connector to the motor its a mess, so a new motor with original wiring should work i presume.

2) most likely lol, and these were changed by the previous owner hence the dodgy wires!

3) Washer jets work great but i dont get any wiping with the jets :(

I think its not worth playing with the motor, just get a known working one and stick it in...

Could you answer me this pls? are all MOTORS the same?? or do the different features (flick wipe/wash-wipe etc) reside on the motor via some on board controller?

Many Thanks!!!

Courior

EDIT: I need to learn to spell

Edited 16 May, 201115 yr by Courior

A 4 position wiper switch (usually a stalk, but doesn't have to be; have a look at Citroen BX and Visa mark1 switchgear) normally indicates intermittant or flick wipe is standard.

I'd be going back to 1970s cars to find the last time I drove one that didn't have "programmed" wash-wipe.

On a car the age of yours, it's all hard-wired; the electronics are limitted to a capacitor which controlls the intermittant delay.

I can't help about motors though.

ah i see. So when you say hard wired, is all the bits in a control box somewhere so i can check that doesnt have any cowboy electrics as well. Cheers

Ok, I'm now going to try and describe a wiring diagram (copyright, so I'm not going to scan and post that).

From the battery, you have a feed to the wiper switch. From there, you have a wire to the motor for each motor speed (and you'd have one to the washer pump if you had wash-wipe). With a single-speed intermittant wipe function, the capacitor can be built into the motor, on the intermittant wipe feed. From the motor you have a single feed to an earth point.

Ah ok got you!! that actually makes a lot of sense.. i got i think 5 wires going to the motor from the loom, but then as mentioned the motor side of the plug i have no idea whats happening lol... it seems that it all got messed up and the previous owner bodged 2 of the wires just to get it to work.. there are also 2 grounds now (an extra one to the body for no apparent reason).. so for sure then a new motor is what i need! thanks for the help mate!!

If you can find a suitable car in a scrapyard, have a look, and note down which wire goes to which terminal on the switch and motor, eg switch intermittant contact uses red with blue trace to motor contact 2. I think the problem is that the wiring is FUBAR at the motor end, and the second earth was a bodged attempt to fix it. The motor may also need new brushes, but I don't know if you can change those or not.

there are 1000's of favorit's here so spares are not a problem. In fact there is a local skoda parts guy thats got new parts for even the old 120's. Ill try him first, if its not too much ill get a brand new one

Ill make a note of the wires, i suppose put a little tester light on each contact and note down where there is power, then move the stalk to the next position and record what difference there is in the block, then the next position etc..