Slapping what tickets. Do you mean stopping drivers, brethalysing, and then reporting to the procurator fiscal?

 

No when caught for drink driving you do receive a ticket when your car is taken off you. Then you get reported. RD40 - DR70

DR70 would be failing to provide.

http://theroadtrafficlawyer.com/drink-driving

Edited 5 December, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

DR70 would be failing to provide.

http://theroadtrafficlawyer.com/drink-driving

 

Your point is ?  the DR40 to DR90 are all drug and alcohol offences.

The point is they are stopping drivers and if they are over the limit they will be prosecuted. Slapping tickets has nothing to do with it, a campaign to get the point across early maybe.

The point is they are stopping drivers and if they are over the limit they will be prosecuted. Slapping tickets has nothing to do with it, a campaign to get the point across early maybe.

 

Yeah and you get prosecuted by means of a ticket thats removal of the car and then reported for the offence, the ticket states what they have been originally stopped for and why their car has been removed.

Where is the slapping of tickets. Is this some technical term. Are all cars in Scotland being impounded?

yes regardless of if you've been drinking or not.

Seriously though are all drivers taken in to custody to be put on the machine having the vehicle impounded?

Edited 5 December, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Seriously though are all drivers taken in to custody to be put on the machine having the vehicle impounded?

 

Yes thats standard protocol drink driving results in having your vehicle seized. Works out the repeat offenders don't claim them back they end up getting crushed.

Is this standard England/Wales and Scotland?

• Scotland 

  A conviction for driving or attempting to drive whilst above the legal alcohol limit will result in:

  • Loss of licence – an automatic 12 month driving ban

• A risk of being fined up to £5,000

A criminal record – for a minimum of 20 years

An offence which stays on your licence for 11 years

A risk of imprisonment

A risk of having your car sold or crushed

The amount of drink taken makes no difference.  Whether just over the limit or well over the limit, in the eyes of the law, you are still a convicted drunk-driver and the consequences are exactly the same. And if caught driving over the limit the next morning, you also face the same consequences as if you had been caught the night before.

Causing death by dangerous driving while under the influence of drink/drugs will result in a minimum 2 year driving ban and up to 14 years in prison with an unlimited fine. Having a criminal record can impact on your life, affecting relationships, job prospects, travel (for example to the USA), insurance premiums, hiring a car and social standing.

Yes we know all that, so were. Cars impounded yesterday in each case? Were all yet unconvinced drivers losing their vehicles?

Edited 6 December, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

This does seem like another reason not to visit Scotland and I'd be surprised if it made much difference to road deaths / accidents, etc. It's interesting that this rule brings Scotland into line with virtually the whole of Europe (no surprise there) but all these countries with lower drink drive limits all have more road deaths than the UK.

 

In general, road deaths and accidents caused by drink drivers are nearly always caused by drivers who are way over the limit, not just at or around the limit, something I think the UK government acknowledges when it says it has no plans to change the limit for rUK.

 

Not condoning drink driving in any way, but only 15% of road fatalities are caused by drink drivers, therefore 85% of fatalities are caused by drivers who have not been drinking. If we really wanted to make a big impact on road safety, perhaps we should be targeting the 85% of road accidents.

 

Many, many years ago, I read an article in a weekend colour supplement that basically stated that if we (in the UK) invested as much per death in finding a cure for cancer as we did in trying to reduce drink driving deaths, we would have found a cure for cancer and the number of lives saved would have been massive by comparison. I guess we couldn't actually afford that level of investment, but it's an interesting thought.

Scotland is trying to reduce death by over drinking and violence and abuse in relationships, there is holistic approach.

No George, this is yet another case of the Shall Not Pass Government using the big stick to force people into changing lifesyles.

 

I would never condone drinking and driving but I seriously doubt if the move from 80 to 50 mg will make any difference to casualty rates

This does seem like another reason not to visit Scotland and I'd be surprised if it made much difference to road deaths / accidents, etc. It's interesting that this rule brings Scotland into line with virtually the whole of Europe (no surprise there) but all these countries with lower drink drive limits all have more road deaths than the UK.

 

In general, road deaths and accidents caused by drink drivers are nearly always caused by drivers who are way over the limit, not just at or around the limit, something I think the UK government acknowledges when it says it has no plans to change the limit for rUK.

 

There are a lot more factors involved in the number of road deaths across Europe than just driink drive limits (driver training, weather, road designs, traffic levels etc, etc), so you can't point to just that one point and make a valid comparison.

What we will be able to do now though is look at Scottish roads in the couple of years before and after, and see if there's a difference there with no external factors involved.

 

I suspect you are right about the majority of serious accidents involving alcohol being those with drivers who haven't just had a couple of pints , but those that are way above both the old and new limits, and now we'll get to provie it (or not).

The Scottish Government risks creating criminals and getting its priorities badly wrong with the introduction of its new drink-driving limit, it has been warned.

It was announced this morning that the lower threshold – which could see someone fail a breathalyser test with only a single drink – will be introduced before Christmas.

Under the controversial plans, the limit will be reduced to only 50mg in every 100ml of blood, compared to the current level of 80 mg.

The Scottish Conservatives have criticised the move, saying it will criminalise a wide range of people who are currently hardworking, law-abiding citizens.

The party would prefer police to focus their limited resources on those are at the more serious end of the drink-driving scale.

Neither the police nor the Scottish Government have been able to publish statistics showing how many accidents have been caused by those with between 50 and 80 mg in their blood.

Scottish Conservative transport spokesman Alex Johnstone MSP said:

“The view of many people is we should focus resources on people who are three, four or even five times the legal limit.

“But with this move, the risk is police will stop chasing maniacs on a Saturday night who are inebriated behind the wheel, and instead target young mothers in supermarket carparks on Sunday mornings.

“It would be a huge mistake for police to switch their focus to those who are between the new limit and the existing limit.

“But of course, they will be the easy ones to target, because they won’t object, they’ll pay their fines, and make a lot of money for the state in the process.

“This reduction risks creating criminals of people who are perfectly law-abiding, hard working individuals, while reducing the spotlight on those who are truly dangerous drivers.”

http://www.scottishconservatives.com/2014/10/snp-risks-creating-criminals-new-drink-driving-limit/

It's very obviously not a money making exercise.

If I'm banned, I pay a few hundred quid fine. If I'm driving I'll give the government far more in tax over the year in fuel duty and VAT on all the associated cost of motoring.

It's very obviously not a money making exercise.

If I'm banned, I pay a few hundred quid fine. If I'm driving I'll give the government far more in tax over the year in fuel duty and VAT on all the associated cost of motoring.

 

and ironically it may be this that reverses the legislation rather than it's affect, or otherwise, on accident rates ?

 

The Scottish Government risks creating criminals and getting its priorities badly wrong with the introduction of its new drink-driving limit, it has been warned.

It was announced this morning that the lower threshold – which could see someone fail a breathalyser test with only a single drink – will be introduced before Christmas.

Under the controversial plans, the limit will be reduced to only 50mg in every 100ml of blood, compared to the current level of 80 mg.

The Scottish Conservatives have criticised the move, saying it will criminalise a wide range of people who are currently hardworking, law-abiding citizens.

The party would prefer police to focus their limited resources on those are at the more serious end of the drink-driving scale.

Neither the police nor the Scottish Government have been able to publish statistics showing how many accidents have been caused by those with between 50 and 80 mg in their blood.

Scottish Conservative transport spokesman Alex Johnstone MSP said:

“The view of many people is we should focus resources on people who are three, four or even five times the legal limit.

“But with this move, the risk is police will stop chasing maniacs on a Saturday night who are inebriated behind the wheel, and instead target young mothers in supermarket carparks on Sunday mornings.

“It would be a huge mistake for police to switch their focus to those who are between the new limit and the existing limit.

“But of course, they will be the easy ones to target, because they won’t object, they’ll pay their fines, and make a lot of money for the state in the process.

“This reduction risks creating criminals of people who are perfectly law-abiding, hard working individuals, while reducing the spotlight on those who are truly dangerous drivers.”

http://www.scottishconservatives.com/2014/10/snp-risks-creating-criminals-new-drink-driving-limit/

 

 spoke to a policeman friend the other day who says all his colleagues are against the introduction of the new limits and say it will not have any effect on accident rates and simply further alienate the police.

I wonder where the line will be drawn for charging purposes?

At the moment, the breath alcohol limit is 35, but you won't actually be charged unless you're over 40 (or is it on 40?).
The new lower limit is about 22, so that might mean somewhere between 25 and 27.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30329743

This does seem like another reason not to visit Scotland

By that logic, you're avoiding everywhere else in Europe as well - apart from the rest of the UK, and Malta?

By that logic, you're avoiding everywhere else in Europe as well - apart from the rest of the UK, and Malta?

 Yes but remember that although many other European countries have a 50 mg "limit" the punishments are often banded and not nearly as hash in the lower bands.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunk_driving_law_by_country