"Skoda has announced it’s in the midst of developing a range of new all-electric cars, expanding its range beyond the Enyaq. The Czech brand says that six new EVs (which includes an Enyaq and Enyaq coupe facelift) will launch by 2026."

 

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/skoda/ 

 

 

 

"Škoda Auto is further stepping up the pace of its electric mobility campaign and transformation. Launching four all-new e-vehicles and two updated Enyaq family models, the Czech carmaker plans to expand its BEV range to six models by 2026"

 

 

https://www.skoda-storyboard.com/en/press-kits/lets-explore-press-kit/

 

 

 

 

Edited 25 April, 20233 yr by @Lee

So 4 actually new cars.

 

Let's see......

The £22k VW ID2 sister car?

The ID7 sister Skoda Superb EV?

Possibly an ID3 sister Octavia EV?

What else could it be? Not sure about Skoda version of ID Buzz. More likely to be a small Yeti-sized crossover, because they are popular.

This makes sense, a family EV car from Skoda shown by their publication favoured for showing what cars will look like. Not just blobs.

Hatch & much needed estates.

http://autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/all-electric-skoda-octavia-works-join-new-ev-line

 

 

Then it is the long trailed Elroq is it not.

The less expensive now than some Fabia, Polo sized Maybia.

The Vision 7S concept with a name given.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 26 April, 20233 yr by toot

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/skoda/360073/new-small-skoda-suv-shines-light-bold-electric-car-plans

 

 

If they produce an Octavia Estate EV a similar size to the current car, I'd be happy. They could probably make it smaller externally with the same interior space due to EV packaging advantages and that would be even better. Unfortunately, the line-up shown all seem to be SUV styled big cars. Even the 'small' EV is actually quite big.

12 hours ago, Luckypants said:

If they produce an Octavia Estate EV a similar size to the current car, I'd be happy. They could probably make it smaller externally with the same interior space due to EV packaging advantages and that would be even better. Unfortunately, the line-up shown all seem to be SUV styled big cars. Even the 'small' EV is actually quite big.

One of the models in that announcement is the "Combi" which is described as a 4.6/4.7 metre estate car, and not an SUV. The catch is that it's slated for 2026 so we've a little while to wait to find out what the reality looks like.
One risk of EV packaging for estates is when a manufacturer packs the battery cells as an even layer under the floor, which then steals all the rear passenger foot space. (I've seen reviews of the MG5 estate which suggests this is a problem with that model).
Because SUVs are conveniently taller, it is easier to leave sensible foot space in that body style, which I suspect is part of the reason why EV SUVs are common. 
Presumably you could in theory have battery cells under the floor which aren't a simple flat layer of battery, and instead leave gaps for people's feet, but I'm not sure if any cars do this at present (?)

24 minutes ago, DavidY said:

Presumably you could in theory have battery cells under the floor which aren't a simple flat layer of battery, and instead leave gaps for people's feet, but I'm not sure if any cars do this at present (?)

 

I'm pretty sure things like the porsche taycan do exactly that. 

8 hours ago, DavidY said:

One of the models in that announcement is the "Combi" which is described as a 4.6/4.7 metre estate car, and not an SUV.

This will be Skoda's offering to match the ID.7 estate. 4.7 meters is massive! 100mm longer than my ID.4 which is really too big for us. (Bought without seeing at launch, interior space is huge) and will not fit on our drive at that size. Hence my hankering for an Octavia sized EV estate.

34 minutes ago, Luckypants said:

4.7 meters is massive! 100mm longer than my ID.4

A whole 2.1% longer.

The BMW 3 series vs 5 series is just a few cm of difference all around. Yet the latter feels like a lot bigger car. When cars are already pushing boundary of the parking space and roads, every mm counts.

I didn't think the ID.4 was much bigger than the Karoq at 130mm longer but its really noticeable. Another 100mm on top is just too big. The amount of space internally that an a purpose built EV gives is much bigger than the equivalent ICE so going smaller is what I want to do and all manufacturers should go the same way. 

10 hours ago, Luckypants said:

This will be Skoda's offering to match the ID.7 estate. 4.7 meters is massive! 100mm longer than my ID.4 which is really too big for us. (Bought without seeing at launch, interior space is huge) and will not fit on our drive at that size. Hence my hankering for an Octavia sized EV estate.

Depending which bit of that press pack you read, I think it says the new model would be 4.6 or 4.7 metres. 

 

But, while I don't have a brochure to hand to check it, I thought current Octavia Estates were already nearly 4.7 metres?

On 25/04/2023 at 21:45, @Lee said:

"Skoda has announced it’s in the midst of developing a range of new all-electric cars, expanding its range beyond the Enyaq. The Czech brand says that six new EVs (which includes an Enyaq and Enyaq coupe facelift) will launch by 2026."  https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/skoda/ 

"Škoda Auto is further stepping up the pace of its electric mobility campaign and transformation. Launching four all-new e-vehicles and two updated Enyaq family models, the Czech carmaker plans to expand its BEV range to six models by 2026"

https://www.skoda-storyboard.com/en/press-kits/lets-explore-press-kit/

 

Skoda might survive in some countries, if German government bail it out, but which models in which country to achieve a necessary volume level of model and marque to continue selling when competing against TESLA and the BYD, MG/SAIC etc inflation of cars that are considerable cheaper than VW-AUDI-SEAT-SKODA due to their economies of scale rather than relatively small/tiny volumes of sale per model in many markets ???

 

 

 

Skoda should easily be able to have a Hatchback / Saloon / Estate car of Octavia size / height using the latest tech / batteries. 

There are plenty normal Electric Cars on sale now that are cars, not a SUV, a MPV, a tall expensive not very efficient vehicle. 

 

Skoda / VW Group really seem to always be a year or 3 away from where others are now with their tech and vehicles, blade cells, removable batteries, buy or lease etc. 

So far a discontinued in the UK Citigo and 2 shapes of Enyaq is pretty ridiculous after all the spin over the past years from Skoda / VW heid yins. 

It's a bit too little, & too late. I'm looking for a small-ish EV with a decent boot. An EV version of the Kamiq or Fabia would have be fine but since they stopped making the Citigo there's nothing smaller than the Enyaq. 

No more over priced over sized SUV's please!!!

If Skoda can turn these out then how could they not be onto a winner.

 

So whats the hold up other then not yet having the materials or the technology or much more than wishes and targets.

I saw the BYD Dolphin (RRP just under £30k) and the slightly larger Jeep Avenger (RRP £35k 🐵 earlier today. I think if VAG can really deliver on that £22k car in around that size, it'll be an easy winner and a total game changer in the whole EV sector.

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

I saw the BYD Dolphin (RRP just under £30k) and the slightly larger Jeep Avenger (RRP £35k 🐵 earlier today. I think if VAG can really deliver on that £22k car in around that size, it'll be an easy winner and a total game changer in the whole EV sector.

 

VW is dithering on its battery factory locations as it looks to maximise any subsidies going whilst the Chinese steam ahead on multi front is Lithium Phosphate, Sodium ion, different battery forms such s blade packs and time waits for no man or auto manufacturer.  

 

VWs, and other European based manufacturers seem slow to react just what a comprehensive threat the Chinese, and TESLA, are threatening to their existence.

The EU can only do so much in terms of Ad Valorem tariffs and the  existing 10% is not impacting MG/SAIC it appears, the EU maybe forced to introduce Anti-Dumping levies to help Nissan-Renault, Stellantis, VW Group etc stand any chance of surviving.

 

BYD are setting up plants in India and Thailand so may be able to benefit from lower rates of import duties from those places rather than directly from The People's Republic of China.

 

Dolphin price in China is half of what is being quoted as the estimated launch price in the UK......

https://carnewschina.com/2022/12/29/new-2023-byd-dolphin-launched-in-china-price-starts-at-16700-usd/

New 2023 BYD Dolphin Launched In China, Price Starts At 16,700 USD

This is the new 2023 BYD Dolphin, a compact electric hatchback aimed at young tech-minded folks. Three models were launched with a price range of 116,800 – 136,800 RMB (16,700 – 19,600 USD). The Dolphin is based on BYD’s e-platform 3.0, powered by the BYD LFP Blade batteries. 

 

      

Even cheaper than that with some discount codes currently, so when converting USD to GBP we acre actually talking about less than £14K !!!!  

 

Skoda CZ announce 52 kw version of their Enyaq with a less powerful motor, a potential winner or desperate attempt to compete with cheap Chinese imports and TESLAs.

 

Be interesting to try one as this car has almost exactly the same battery size and power to weight as my Zoe, which is adequate in those respects but is that what will satisfy an buyer paying some £36k approx for the car.

 

Be nice to know if one could pop in another 10 or 20 kwh of battery in to the empty battery bays if one could pay to upgrade the battery pack  ?

 

https://www.skoda-storyboard.com/en/press-releases/affordable-e-suv-skoda-enyaq-iv-50-for-less-than-40000-euros/

 

› New entry-level Enyaq iV powered by a 109 kW (148hp) electric motor
› Ample range of up to 365 kilometres on the WLTP cycle
› Charging peak of up to 110kW
› 19-inch bi-color alloy wheels, 13” navigation system and rear-view camera as standard

 

Sound sensible...   I've said before EV manufacturers should be looking at doing this sort of thing instead of going for huge power. 

31 minutes ago, skomaz said:

Sound sensible...   I've said before EV manufacturers should be looking at doing this sort of thing instead of going for huge power. 

 

The power output, I find, is quite nominal, perhaps it is for ICE cars to.  Changes in ambient temperature, the temperature of the "engine/motor" and the sophistication of the control system for the power seem to have a considerable effect on the power output.   The Zoe ZE50 has power display, which I have seen the digital displaying show 112 kWs ie 12% more than the quoted which is 150 hp compared to the quoted 100 kw/136 hp.

 

The Enyaq 52 kwh kerb weight is quoted at just over 1.9 tonnes and torque from this 109 kw motor is also quoted as 220 nm which sound a bit low to me and hence acceleration is about 11 seconds to 60 mph which may put off some potential buyers perhaps.

 

One wonders if a tuning industry, as with rechipping turbo petrol cars, might emerge.  Cheaper insurance as a plus as well.

 

Shame to lose that fun aspect of EVs of that initial surge of acceleration but perhaps would suit many a commuter driving in mainly urban areas for people do not have much need for travelling cross country distance.  Hope it is successful as the Czech people deserve successful well picked models to manufacture as does SEAT in Spain from their masters in Germany.   

 

Skoda Dealership Servicing seems to be a bit expensive. 

Plenty opportunity for Independent EV Specialist, even VW Group EV Specialists.

 

It is great to get a lower cost and lower powered EV and the ability to run them cheaply, but getting ripped off with servicing of cars that might have low annual mileages will be an issue for some.  Others might just be happy with the Manufacturers Approved Workshops with fully Trained & Qualified techs changing the pollen filter, checking tyres and doing any hardware or software updates.  Fixing snagging faults outstanding etc.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/512926-enyaq-servicing-cost

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/504481-servicing-intervals

 

110 kW is no problem with EV's. It'll still feel fast 0-40 mph. Early Leaf just have 80 kW motor, but still fast enough 0-30 mph and fun without breaking any legal limits.

 

 

4 hours ago, wyx087 said:

110 kW is no problem with EV's. It'll still feel fast 0-40 mph. Early Leaf just have 80 kW motor, but still fast enough 0-30 mph and fun without breaking any legal limits.

 

First Zoe owners would dream about 80 kW,  66 kW in the first ZE22, weight still up round 1.5T unladen, wow.  Range nearly a hundred miles on a good day. 

 

0 to 30 probably around 4 seconds which is no bad.  LEAF was always quicker.  I wanted a 64 kWh one but could not get one year and half ago, only 39 kWh available.

NIssan probably lose less money on the smaller battery ones.