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Don't think it will be a big seller but 600 litre boot and efficient at highish speeds and if you can get for not much over 30k it sound good value. Personally just not an estate fan visually ie would not like on the drive, maybe a company van version would sell ?

It is total tax so not just income tax and NI but also IPT, VAT, VED and all other taxes. Presumably does not include Employer NI which is a tax on employing a worker and is considered within the cost of hiring and employing month on month. Pinch points are being paid over 50k pa and then over £100k pa when serious consideration given to skimming of that which goes over and using salary sacrifice or maybe drop to 4 days or 3 days not to pay so much tax. Job that attract thousands or tens of thousands of bonus require altering the standard percentage in to pensions or just putting that bonus straight in to the pension pot. Both an art and a science. EV salary sacrifice another majority used tax avoidance measure, UK government setup. Don't use it myself so get wacked on car allowance and then pay my pcp out of salary. We were suppose to be joining the Octopus salary sacrifice scheme but our buyout put all that on hold boo hoo.

It used to be that countries like the UK had lower taxes, like a third of our salaries but the Scandinavians paid about half but had excellent public services. Now we pay half but have massively overburdened and not coping in many areas public service, something gone wrong me thinks.

Excise duty collected at Refinery mostly, a bit at Excise bonded warehouse storage, retailer deals just with the VAT element. VAT is applied to the Excise duty as well. Tax on tax !!!!!!!

Electricity is something I can generate or by in cheap at certain times as I already do. Charging per mile seems to be favourite as most EVs have their own telephone contract due to the SOS requirement so that seems the way to go. We already only pay 5% vat on grid supplies, nothing on what we generate ourselves so our fuel is too difficult to tax hence per mile seems to be the favourite. Newer ICE cars have the cellular network SOS as well. Older cars may just have a nominal flat flat rate adjusted after mot recording of actual it seems. Plus there will still be the excise duty on fuel but maybe at a lower rate.

And we are happy to contribute to road maintenance thru VED which always should be a minimum to cover registration so at least £20 but I think we are happy to pay a hundred quid m, or £120 or the like. EV buyers pay thousands in VAT when they buy the cars of course which is a whole quantum level more than VED.

We had a few fires in our Bollore Blu Cars in Paris. Generally traced to homeless breaking in to the car and starting a little fire to cook and keep warm with. Secondary reasons for the fires.

Again you fall victim to the inaccurate hogwash splashing around propagating the tsunami of so called news which clearly does not make sense in that why would "all EVs" suddenly become more taxed than the cars governments of the world want their citizens to move away from. Please think more and verify before being another tool of misinformation for goodness sake of us all.

Don't mind paying a fair chunk. EV can be heavy historically and some currently. I remember in my Dept of Transport days a 10% increase in axle weight does nearly 50% more road damage as it is to the power of 4. Maybe a co2 and weight formula might best. I like Paris charging more for 2T plus EVs. Penalises those 2.2T VAG EVs but not smaller or bigger Renault EVs. Would also like those slow down areas due to bad pollution to only effect non EVs so wr can keep running at 70 mph whilst the polluters are restricted to 50 to reduce their pollution. Number plate recognition needed to sort this. Lots of changes needed to spur on decarbonisation.

Definitely worth, taking one off the road in Feb and the other in january so they both can start their taxed year in Q1 rather than Q3, save almost £200.

Thanks. Both my EVs are September renewal so the £10 would be due then, single payment rather than 83p a month or so and then a year after that, and the RRPs, £35k and £38k, do not attract the luxury £400 a year but even if I had gone for the £41k model it still would not have got the luxury car tax as only cars registered after 31st of March 2025 will be affected. Be interesting to see how many thousands of EVs dereg the reg in March to shift their renewal date.

I think the first year of EV is due to be £10 at renewal and then the full rate, currently £190 in 2026 but as mentioned in another post EV registered keepers are planning to renew their taxation date in March so EVs will renew each March and therefore extend the £10 rate as long as possible. I have tried to read statements on the application of the luxury tax to EVs already registered but whether it retrospectively applies I went for the Scenic with the RRP of £38k rather than the £41k to £46k versions of the Scenic so should avoid the luxury tax. Expect we will see a big drop in EV RRPs but less discount to avoid the luxury tax which should be no problems as EVs will be sold at or below cost to hit the mandated percentage of sales being EVs and margins put on ICE cars to compensate

Batteries ie 22 and 41 kwh nominal same physical form/size, a few kilos different but not much so battery with about twice tge capacity just slots in. CANBUS system similar too so resets seem to work. Not quite so easy with the 52 kwh nominal, 55 kwh actual battery in the Zoe ZE50. 41 kWh battery supposedly has about 20% of its cells held in reserve and can be good for around 400km range at the city speeds ie as good as the ZE50. Much prefer the digital dash and styling of the ZE50 to the 22 and 40. Don't like the no seat height adjustment in the Zoe but understand the LG packs were chunkier then until the much thinner and modular packs in the Megane and Scenuc EVs. Another trip to the North West of England tomorrow, Sanctions training, be interesting how the mad weather will effect energy efficiency.

That is what happens when you make the world's stuff. Even when adding several times more renewable then anybody else. There is a new Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism which will tax carbon intensive goods With the upcoming Trade Wars, which will keep me busy, the consumer will suffer on more expensive goods because goods have a carbon penalty. Interesting times. Google CBAM if one wishes to understand how this future works.

Well just ask the questions that can fill the gaps in your knowledge. My company is the largest mover of finished vehicles "in the world". Also one of the big three shipping lines and biggest contract logistics companies are we are going green as quickly as we can with cleaner trucks via BYD, aircraft using bio fuel, ships using LNG. The supply chain is decarbonise, just need private vehicle owners to join the movement.

As usual you were being imprecise, if you are referring to lithium it is everywhere it is just the Chinese have invested in the processing. Mined in Australia abs South Ameruca but plenty of it in the deserts of the US and in Cornwall too. Easier to get the manufacture of EVs even cleaner than to extract the carbon from the air which is going to costs many tens of billions.

SSE having 10 bays at this site and 300 rapid sites on their network. One of dozens of suppliers with similar setup as part of the tens of thousands of rapid charger locations with hundreds of new ones being added every month.

Octopus announce free electricity hour tomorrow 1 until 2 pm. Also looking forward to the time when the hour goes back as this means 6 hours of the very cheap electricity rather than 5 for car charging and the rest of the house. Wonder if diesel and petrol stations wi ve doing something to counter the EV running cost. Budget in 11 days may well have a negative aspect for ICE future.

Rare earth metals are increasingly rare in EVs as most have moved on to using common materials.

Yes and the UK is much less than 1% of the world population and in the massively populated countries of Asia, half the world's population they are getting rid of ICE vehicle at a pace faster than us Westerns. To many Asia countries fuel is relatively more expensive as their income is often well under 1000 dollars a month so running an EV saves massively over ICE. The majority of EVs are 2 or 3 wheel rather than 4 but theacquiring of EVs is in the hundreds of million rather than the few millions in the West. Being able to run their EVs for a few dollars a month, rather than using that Russian oil which is currently supplying China, India and many other SE Asian countries, helping finance their Ukraine war, is saving families in Asia a huge chunk of their family budget. The West tinkers while Asia transforms.

And two thirds of that 10 gallons goes as waste heat to heat mother earth... Range 300 miles from an EV or a ridiculous, unnecessary 800 miles for some ICE cars. (Some ICE struggle to do 300 miles, recall a trip in a Jaag XK which needed filling twice in a day). Sort of makes sense when your refill station is 1 or 5 whatever miles away rather than on your drive, or on the journey, or at your work or car park and of course if there is some world political situation, or budget, that somehow massively ramps up the price of fuel, at least you might have a week or 3 before the car becomes the most expensive oversized music player taking up 5 metres of drive or road space. I can fill my EVs from lecky made from a fusion reactor in the nearest star ie Sol, from wind in the North Sea, from pump storage from Dinorwig at at less than a fiver to give it those 300 miles. I have worked out which tech is better for mankind, the next generation and it is not burning stuff in an ICE vehicle. https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/articles/how-efficient-is-your-cars-engine

Polluting as it goes probably worse than it was when it was new. Hopefully a heafty lump of excise duty coming in for petrol in the budget, and at least inflationary rise on diesel too. A control mechanism of excise duty to keep the price of diesel and petrol at about £1.50 a litre at the pumps to prompt the transition to EVs.

EVs and ICE change over their lifetime and newer EVs don't appear to degrade as with early, particularly air cooled ones, but that is a thing of the past and what is being seen now is EVs of the last 8 or 9 years racking up 200k miles quite easily and seeing batteries only degrading by 10% or so, but the performance ie acceleration pretty much being very close to when brand new. Compared to ICE which may well be losing close to half their horse power, which does not affect the range that much but does cripple acceleration which gives us EV drivers even more fun at the lights etc as not only does the ICE power not even maximise until 30 mph or over whereas the EV still has masses of acceleration torque from 5 mph or so. Even if the EV battery has degraded 5 or 10% over 50, 100, 150k miles the range does not have to be proportional effected. As aero resistance is a cube ratio just slow down by a couple of percent and one will regain almost 10% of range. But these issues have already been addressed by EV makers. Unlike an ICE car I have an 8 year warranty on the battery, even better than Hyundai/Kia warranty, that the battery will retain the at least three quarters of its charge and the fix to a cell block going down has now been addresses as cell packs are no longer one homogenous block but modular and if a cell block is poorly performing it can be swapped out a dozens of battery centres. Another area of concern, which was being highlighted pre pandemic, was that much of the emission control tech does not actually work in the real world. Get that ICE car in a cold late autumn, winter, early spring day, in traffic, rain water splashing all around, high humidity, and the Cat converters does not work properly, the emissions are not within the legal limits they are maybe 5 or six times the prescribed. Sooner we get pure ICE off the roads the better, scrappage scheme or however. Full hybrids with decent sized traction batteries ie 10, 20 kwh plus, which rarely need the dirty ICE to kick in so that city pollution is further reduced is needed to reduce its life shortening effects. Even the EV fire aspect has been addressed with inlet to flood battery compartment to douse fire..... Renault_Scenic_E-Tech_Hatchback_2023_5d_Electric_EN.pdfRenault_Scenic_E-Tech_Hatchback_2023_5d_Electric_EN.pdfRenault_Scenic_E-Tech_Hatchback_2023_5d_Electric_EN.pdf ICE owners need to let go the past and look to getting onboard to the new cleaner future.

Early EV batteries oft only had air cooling, passive on Nissans, active on Renault. Mainly Nissans had high deg due to this big temp fluctuation. EV batteries now have 150% more capacity but occupy the same space and with liquid cooling degredate at less than have the rate and charge at three times the speed. ICE cars, many need Ad Blu chemical injection to not be horrendously dirty at extra cost or complex systems of cylinder deactivation to grovel up to being third to a half efficient. One tech surging ahead, the other pretty much stuck in the metaphorical mud.

I tested loads of ICE cars on a rolling road and plenty of them only produce just over half of the quoted horsepower of the engine. Customers were astonished to see their supposed 150 hp car was only producing 80 or 90 hp at the back wheels. EV lose much less in transmission and can have incredible burst of power. Like an extra 100 hp with an over air update. At Piper we would probably have to put thousands of pounds of parts and work to get an extra 100 hp on an ICE car.