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Got round to running quotes for a MG4 Long Range, plenty under £500 year for me. Most buyers go fo the standard range which would be a bit cheap. Even putting in no voluntary excess only added about £30 a year. I think insurance is usually much cheaper in the Shires than the highly populated parts of SE England. Should get my renewal quote from LV for the Zoe and the Arkana which I am expected to be broadly in line with the 5% RPI inflation there is at the moment. Thank God for the rise in pensions and cut in National Insurance to pay fo it and all the other rising costs and thankfully big fall in cost to charge the EV at least on the home tariff. £422.50 Compulsory £350 Voluntary £250 Total £600 Included Included AddAnnually £32.00 Included More Details i Call to claim, do everything else yourself online. No admin fees. You’re in control. £443.81 Compulsory £350 Voluntary £250 Total £600 Included Included AddAnnually £27.99 AddAnnually £19.99 More Details £450.17 Compulsory £350 Voluntary £250 Total £600 Included Included AddAnnually £27.99 AddAnnually £19.99 More Details £464.13 Compulsory £350 Voluntary £250 Total £600 Included Included AddAnnually £27.99 AddAnnually £19.99 More Details £472.99 Compulsory £425 Voluntary £250 Total £675 Included Included AddAnnually £44.95 AddAnnually £24.95 More Details 6 months free subscription with bp pulse, includes £27 charging credit. Ends 3/9/24 Read More i This policy does not include windscreen and glass cover as standard £477.96 Compulsory £400 Voluntary £250 Total £650 Included Included AddAnnually £30.90 Included More Details £480.58 Compulsory £500 Voluntary £250 Total £750 Included AddAnnually £9.99 AddAnnually £39.99 AddAnnually £29.99 More Details i This policy does not include windscreen and glass cover as standard £489.74 Compulsory £350 Voluntary £250 Total £600 Included Included AddAnnually £24.99 AddAnnually £31.49 More Details i Winner of Moneyfacts Car Insurance Provider of the Year 2022 award £492.86 Compulsory £350 Voluntary £250 Total £600 AddAnnually £22.00 AddAnnually £33.00 AddAnnually £44.00 AddAnnually £29.00 More Details i Free user friendly app which is rated #1 on the App Store £497.71 Compulsory £425 Voluntary £250 Total £675 Included Included AddAnnually £44.95 AddAnnually £24.95 More Details

It takes so long to do. Much more interesting with my EV and hybrid is going to cost to insure which is due for its annual quote. Some have gone for Chinese EVs, UK press has praised them hugely over the past year but thankfully the press are moving to concentration on European cars such as Citroens, Dacias, Peugeots and Renaults though the Polestars, Smarts and Volvos still get some attention. Chinese EVs are not what most EV buyers are interested, unless it is a Chinese RHD TESLA. I can see, like we saw in motorcycles many years ago, EVs being sold and software locked down to lower horsepowers ie limited to 100, 125, 150 kWs to help keep insurance costs down, sam for hybrids like the new MG3 ie a sub 20k car with more than 200 hp with the EV power being the bigger part.

James puts most of the points nicely. He does fail to mention that battery density and the popping up of Superchargers if happening between 20% for battery density and 50% per annum fo new charges so his projection of millions of public chargers is off I think and a couple of hundred of chargers is more like like the mark not millions as he rather ill considered stated. 300,000 this decade is the widely accepted this decade and with the massively increasing range on the long range models, and most ie 90% of the EVs doing their charging at home, a million chargers, logically, will not be needed by 2035, 2040 or ever. The massive amount of UK government help, even from a Conservative Government is massive in both cash and diverse ways of helping the transition to EVs..... https://www.gov.uk/transport/zero-emission-and-electric-vehicles

Is that for your Superb which average miles versions are selling at around £16k ? This is half the value of a new EV which would be around £33k. Did a Compare the market on my current to cars, and I am expecting my quote from LV in the next couple of days and maybe the quote might be in the £1k zone which is only really about what inflation would take the cost too. My lad, 27, is also on the Zoe insurance. Last year it was the Arkana mild hybrid that jumped in cost and the EV went down massively, probably due to second hand prices. So not worries cost of my EV insurance at present though oddly LV did not pop up on the Compare the Market cheapest insurers. Some companies I would not go with again, Tescos being one of them as they are acting as a broker and I found them absolutely terrible to deal with. Always prefer to deal with a direct Insurer rather than broker. In summary, not worries, yet, about insuring my BEV or MHEV Renaults. Product Cover Last year's price This year's price (2023) RENAULT ARKANA ICONIC MHEV AUTO VK72*** Comprehensive 10 Apr 2023 to 09 Apr 2024 £466.43 £368.72 RENAULT ZOE RIVIERA LTD EDITION RAPIDCHARGE R135 AUTO VK71*** Comprehensive 10 Apr 2023 to 09 Apr 2024 £490.64 £520.07

Thanks. MG4 long range is quite a high spec machine, no Extreme but still over 240 hp. I think the insurance from me would be quite a lot less as worcestershire would be a lower I expect a backwater sort of place. Most go for standard range I would expect. Good car in most respects. Be interesting to see how the fast parcel operators react to any raised insurance costs on the tens of thousands of SAIC Maxus EV vans they have. Do not like their software. Much prefer Renault's Google software and their offerings on the EV front and half a dozen new Renault EVe to cater for many tastes and insurance will still be cheapish from what I have seen.

More interested in the quotes for the MG4 which is a high volumes id sales whilst the BYDs are still low volume. The MG4 Extreme as they are Porsche Taycan, Audi etron beating acceleration for £36.5k. Due my Zoe R135 quote soon and expect it to be well under £500 per year.

Worse I have seen is low 3s miles pet kwh and therefore range is not dipping below 155 miles even with temperature at slightly negative figures. Charging at these temperature around zero or less than 8c the charging slows to below 20 kws when the battery hits around 70% charge, the range is back over 100 miles so I get going again especially if I am only 75 miles from home I feel I can I can Wang it home. Up behind an X5 at an indicated 90 he was a bit surprised it was a little city car EV. I keep thinking I would like to run the spy app as I would love to know the battery temp. I expect it is oft only 10c even an hour in to a run. No battery heater, only Nordic Zoes got that. Cooling for battery comes on when ambient is well over 30c and one rags it. I gave seen vids of them rapidgating when ambient over 40c but that is not common even here in central England.

My little EV, and I presume most other EVs, charging beyond 90 % is very slow and regen systems do not work as well as below 90 % so charging, or keeping charged to 90% "only" makes sense to me. Must make more use of preconditioning when day rate lecky drops from 30p per kwh to less than 24p per kwh on the home supply.

Indeed 421 miles on the 18 inch wheels, 390 miles with the 19 inch wheels. 23% more range with the long range model. £10k more expense to buy, plus all the luxury cost taxes that will come next year, so 25% more cost and blistering performance, presumably more insurance costs. Again the 18 inch wheel show a big difference in range and TESLA brilliance is showing very little penalty for the AWD system transmission losses, very low compared to an ICE 4X4 losses it would seem and the weight penalty small too. Very tough choice but think I will be going for the base model model 3 ie FLP standard range sub £40k RRP model. I expect I will get the 300 mileage range, I am quite an economical driver.

Another vid that New Model 3 got much more 300 miles, actual over 325 miles........

Richard Symonds easily getting over 300 miles in his new Model 3, actually more like 330 total range .............

See my post from EV database that quotes WLTP High and Low energy figures as they now show not just one figure but they are circa 320 and 340 miles for each figures.

That was from the UK website. I was just amazed at the difference the two wheel sizes made ie 8% further. I know in a test at Castle Coomb I think it was that got my model Zoe to do 480 miles on a setp of special tyres as opposed to 430 miles on normal tyres and that is more than 10%. Over 500 kms on both WLTP methods ie Test Energy high and Test Energy low..... This gives us 318 miles and 342 miles or so. Incredible from a 58 kwH batery back but then the car is ultra slippy ie Cd=0.22 and low too ..... https://ev-database.org/car/1991/Tesla-Model-3 WLTP Ratings (TEL) Range 554 km Rated Consumption 130 Wh/km Vehicle Consumption 104 Wh/km CO2 Emissions 0 g/km Rated Fuel Equivalent 1.5 l/100km Vehicle Fuel Equivalent 1.2 l/100km WLTP Ratings (TEH) Range 513 km Rated Consumption No Data Vehicle Consumption 112 Wh/km CO2 Emissions 0 g/km Rated Fuel Equivalent No Data Vehicle Fuel Equivalent 1.3 l/100km

Model 3 standard range but the new much improved Highland edition. Certified range (with 19 inch wheels) 318 miles. With 18 inch "Photon" wheels,below........ Wow give me the 18 inch ones any day !! One can of course exceed this range when driving economically and around warmer half of year temperatures. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wheels 18’’ Photon Wheels 19’’ Nova Wheels 18’’ Photon Wheels Included Est. range as configured: 344 mi

Daily Express scare ev headline....... https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1874591/electric-car-petrol-diesel-vehicle-excise-duty-changes THEN YOU READ DEEPER.... (Seems to be based on EVs being sold which are over £40K despite us knowing that EV RRPs are falling fast as battery packs become cheaper and all the interest now is on the £16k to £40k EVs, like the base model TESLA model 3) EV owners to pay 'three times more than petrol or diesel’ under Vehicle Excise Duty update Electric car owners could be paying “three times more tax than petrol or diesel cars” when new Vehicle Excise Duty (VED) fees are introduced, according to an expert. Matthew Walters, Head of Consultancy Services and Customer Value at ALD Automotive | LeasePlan UK, warned rules changes would add over £1,000 to motorists' bills. Matthew has taken particular aim at the "expensive car supplement", an extra fee which is applied on models valued at over £40,000. With upfront costs still high for electric models, not changing the threshold means almost all EV motorists will be affected and slapped with extra charges. Speaking after the Spring Budget, Matthew opined: "Although it was inevitable that electric cars would pay vehicle excise duty (‘road tax’) eventually, the blanket approach announced in the 2022 Autumn Statement introduces unnecessary penalties compared to some petrol and diesel models. "From April 2025, VED rates will be equalised across all cars, while new registrations priced over £40,000 will also qualify for the expensive car supplement – a £410 charge, applied to the first five annual renewals.

This is true sadly. Current Western youngsters are the first generation in a century where they are considerably poorer than us older generation due to the sh1te deal we have handed down. Also The West is on the slide as this Asian, mostly Chinese, century.

Don't think my Zoe has a physical brake connection. Maybe my other Renaults too

Afghanistan and Russia it looks like, hmmm.

Which country do you pass thru though, Russia, Iran???

My new company do Tesla transportation ie CMA, so I will interested to see the movements of cars from China to Europe. Wish they were a bit fuller going the other way sadly.

Is that a good thing ie better battery or some other advantages ?

I think it is more about not have the tools to delve deep in to guts of an incredibly complex modern diesel engine, despite me being an ex diesel engineer in the Merchant marine, I expect it was going to need all sorts of tools to almost split the engine and get down to these components which now are buried in the middle zone of the engine, as I think they have dual cooling zone systems ie head and jackets. Back in the day it was simply a little chamber up in the head, three bolts, one little gasket replacement, swap in the new thermostat. Fortunately got it down by one of the excellent ex-Skoda garages, who were given an ultimatum to do all sorts of upgrades, part of Skoda moving to the big chain dealerships with, in my experience much worse service and pricing. The saw the light and went to Dacia and Renault and had a great few years before Covid convinced them to move away from running garages. So they were brilliant and I was happy for them to do the work but the economics of running ICE cars over EVs was highlighted ie EVs simple and much cheaper servicing and less likely to have expensive between maintenance costs ie gearboxes, turbos and like my thermostat and water pump experience. EVs are just simpler and less likely to go wrong in my experience as well as being about three times more efficient and cheaper to run on energy.

Oh that reminds me. Apparently the plan is to do a sea cable rather than pylons going from Peterhead to Drax or somewhere round there. Keeps the Nimbys happy. Sea cables are all the rage, perhaps until one or more get blown up or cut by a foreign power being sneaky.

On Electrovese we get that 90p per kWh for a whole 5% or so less ie 86 p per kWh !! EV point we get for 62 p per kWh, wow. If one crosses the bridge on to Rossie Island there is one 22 kW charger, other is broken, fo 28 p per kWh, cheaper than my home tariff ! Other than that, for Electroverse it is Aberdeen or Dundee.

TESLA electricity can be as low as 29p per kWh at some Superchargers and then sometime it is even free like we had a few weeks ago. With Octopus it can be super cheap like 7.5 or 9 p per kWh or even lower with Agile tariffs or even Octopus will pay you to take it. Not hear of oil companies doing something similar, My fridge freezer run off my home batteries and the fridge uses about 100w. My home battery storage is currently 5 kWh but I aim to quadruple that this year so it certainly good enough for a week even without the solar panels adding power then, if I am working away, I would be able to put the EV in to topping the home batteries up when I get home with its V2H. It is not the saving of the £200 per year, that is just the base saving, it is acquiring electricity from sources in to ones vehicle and bringing it home like bread and milk. We already do it charging phones and many other electrical device when travelling in an EV and bring home multiple lithium powered devices all topped up. I have several portable speakers, torches, lanterns as well as smaller home batteries in the 100 to 500 wh range just in case the grid goes down either at home or when I am away from home. Survivalist basics.