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EVs are naturally cheaper to run because their energy source can be much cheaper and the servicing is much cheaper and I like cheap as it gives me more money to spend on my family. What initial outlay ? ONe just gets in PCP like most cars are put on the drive, less than £300 a month for my Zoe but I did catch the end of the Government subsidies for the car, and for the home charger install as well as Renault UK and local Renault dealer putting in quite a bit as well a bit of equity from an old Skoda I had. I do not do just local driving, Worcester to Manchester and back without charging is a regular journey, I think it is 205 miles roughly, summer or winter the Zoe copes as it has a heat pump. Took the Zoe to Gatwick airport, or actually close by in Crawley as where I was visiting had banks of free to use 7 kw chargers, forward thinking Nordic company. It is a had choice for me as the Arkana is more comfortable than the Zoe and I have a fuel card for the Arkana so motion potion is around 2p per mile whether it is fuel or electricity and I may get as little as 10p a miles from my Self Assessment tax return fo business miles. Uk Government, presumably Labour by April 2025, will apply the Vehicle Excise Duty to EV, which I think is fair enough, just hope it actually goes on road improvement as not much seems to these days so will be extra revenue from that, we will see if Labour keep the tax thresholds down at such low levels as that brings in much more tax and UK is in so much debt of course. Fuel is going up anyways due to its sourcing from such unstable areas mostly. At least EURO 7 is going to force the hybridification of cars and I do love driving the Clio e-tech as well as the Arkana and Zoe, all efficient, fun and environmentally heading in the right direction IMO. Hopefully change the Zoe for a Renault 5 next year when PCP up.

Like he said if you have a Renault Zoe like I have you would not have to stop at all and therefore could have used super cheap home charging and destination charging, and VAT at 5 % unlike diesel, petrol and public charging.

I come off at J19 on M6 which is quite a way outside Manchester and go to the Sharston area, loads of cameras, will use the Arkana then as heading to Liverpool next day. Air freight one day, sea freight the next. M6 better than has been in years gone by. I will not miss long motorway journeys when I retire. Cannot wait for full self driving cars.

I will be around Manchester Airport on Monday, note all the signs around saying ULEZ is being considered. There are thousands of routes without cameras and must be many occasions when number plate does not get read due to trucks being between camera and car number plate. If car is then picked up at another camera later on the system will have to assume shortest distance. Might be quite a few muddy number plates running around as fine could be cheaper than the road tax. Could not see anything specific in Labour's Zero emission plans but revenue has to be raised as UK is about £2.5T in debt, up from £1T 14 years ago.

I think the Highland Model 3, released in the last few months, is much better than the Model 3 of 6 or so years ago. The Model Y will change similarly with the Juniper version due at the end of this year, stat of next year for HD probably. The design is partly about lowering the aero drag coefficient down another hundredth or two down towards 0.2. The very low Cd helps give the TESLAs the best energy efficiency and range. Model Y is best selling car in the world for these and other reasons, personally I aim to have a Model 3 standard range with the LFP battery, sub £40K, good looking in my opinion. Headlights look much better than original IMO.

I definitely would do less motorway journeys and do more short cuts across countryside, even park up my EV more and use my MHEV for which I have a fuel card. All bad for air quality and the move to lower emission vehicles. UK Gov would have to review the 45p per mile, fist 10k miles, and 25p after that as both public and private workers would do even more of refusing to use their cars for their employers and to take the public transport options which has a profound effect on operational efficiency. I think the UK government will be scarred to do this and it is 99% certain, it is reported, to be a Labour Government from a few months time and then for the next 5 years and I wonder what their policy and legislation will be.

TESLA and several EV company's EV sales have slowed, much to do with the withdrawl of subsidies in many countries. $2k on model Y. Not seen them change in the UK but there always seems to be a delay fo RHD cars with LHDs, of course due to market percentage, being priority.

How could that work ? Drivers would do even more of not driving on motorways but driving though leafy conservative voting Cotswold villages and the like. Not far from me if the M6 toll motorway and millions of journeys per year choose to take the non Toll M6, polluting Birmingham, all to save a few quid. But toll roads is the only system I know is widely used to catch all drivers. How do you see a mileage tax working ?

The state can try and charge as much as possible to keep the £25B revenue stream that it currently has from Excise duty on hydrocarbons plus the 20% VAT but the are other sources of electricity to charge EVs ie via home solar panels and home or public batteries that have charged up on cheaper overnight electricity. Hydrocarbons are a much easier commodity to tax than lecky. In HMRC Excise on fuel is regarded as the most efficient tax to collect.

The current Mini is a low range EV, there are plenty of EVs available at similar cost which have much greater range where public charging is much more rare and those of us lucky enough to have home chargers we actually only public charge less than 5% of the time so our usual cost per mile for energy is 2p per mile with just the occasional use of a 20p per mile public charge up where we will will just charge for a few minutes to get a few tens of miles to get us home to our super cheap home charge or free destination chargers sometimes. Where as fuel prices are going up due to the Middle East and Eurasian wars electricity prices are dropping as networks such as TESLA v4 charging stations, open to all makes and therefore public charging cheaper. Batteries are getting substantially cheaper year on year whereas ICE cars have to keep getting better to be sold ie EURO7 emissions soon. Euro 7 rules likely to make pure ICE cars become hybrid so their braking energy has no brake dust and car can travel at full speed in EV mode, like the Clio etech does (My Arkana cannot sadly as on MHEV) . UK will follow EU rule of course as it has left the EU for benefits but must follow for such laws as emissions etc.... https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2024/04/12/euro-7-council-adopts-new-rules-on-emission-limits-for-cars-vans-and-trucks/

Volkswagen fail in Europe but do much better in China........

Public Electric charging companies must get geared up to charging the plugged in account say 50p a minute when a car is plugged in but getting no or less than something like 2 kws per hour imo.

Should have got a Renault Zoe and could have got 22 kws AC charging.

This is pretty I think Where as this is really plain..... (My VRSs mark 1 and 2 were slightly better).

New entry in EV database for new TESLA Model Y long range RWD. https://ev-database.org/car/2186/Tesla-Model-Y-Long-Range-RWD Charging expected to be at full 250 kWs in the lower range of the State of Charge tailing off to more like 100 kW between 80% and 95%, Lithium Ion battery tech. When we UK get RHD version and what is the maximum Lithium Iron Phosphate they might get in their using the latest generation of LiFEPO4 batteries ? Retail cost probably about £46k, £47K I would guess but some cracking salary sacrifice deals logical to expect after initial early adopter demand. 0-60 5.9 seconds reportedly in EV DB.

Finally the long range TESLA some of us yearn for ie bigger battery but just the single motor for the rear wheel. Welcome 400 mile WLTP range as well as pretty impressive acceleration...

Usually two sides to the coin. So little deep thinking going on. How best to use an EV. Thinking of starting an ev charging business. I come around and park close and charge someone's ev. I charge up my batteries in the van on cheap rate lecky and charge it out at higher rate during the day and evening. Sounds a good business model. They do it in the States but not seem to have caught on here it seems.

Here we go, here we go, here we go. Many of these Business Users are such people as midwives who got to the point they cannot carry on doing there job as they were increasingly need to subsidize the government trying to run a car on 25p per mile for much of the year. Actual company cars are quite rare these day unless it is under the government EV salary sacrifice scheme which can be of course a real cost saver for drivers if they take the EV plunge (ie pick a model 3 SR+ TESLA, probably, still under £40k without extras). Yes there perks, car allowance etc (all taxed and oft at 40+2 % as part of salary) but te fact the mileage allowance has not gone up in years despite huge inflation in the UK is bad news for public services as well. Listing to how a business had been able to order a Audi e-tron or Porsche Taycan for hundreds a pound less the equivalent ICE car is irksome but the governments EV salary sacrifice scheme does not have a low enough limit in my opinion so order a Porsche which should be well over £1K a month and paying less around £600 is nice for some but not proper use of government subsidies IMO, give the midwives a mileage rate after 10k miles per year they can live with I reckon.

Works out at 43.3p a mile so he would be out of pocket if crosses the 10k business miles a year. The 45p and 25p per mile over 10k miles is a national disgrace which has been raised in Parliament but when the country is worse than broke what do you do ?

Another Motorway service quadrupling it availability of charges, this time Warwick South, just after recent similar, or in fact bigger upgrades to Hopwood and Frankley South. Hopefully the Northern Frankley and Warwick will also be done soon but looking like the steep adoption curve of EVs is starting to get matched by rapid charger being brought on line at the Motorway services....... tion

My home charger is a 3.7 kw Pod point, not much a higher charging rate than a 13A 3 pin charger. If you are effectively charging at 3 kWh per hour, put it on when you get home at 1730 then by 0800 in the morning you have had 14.5 hours of charge, 4 miles per Kwh at 3, 42 Kwh of charge, 170 miles of range added. You could have added 20 kW on a DC fast or rapid charger during lunch or a coffee break so easily do 250 miles but yes it would be easier in a TESLA and many companies insist on using TESLA for their rapid charging on TESLA superchargers for that reason. As in 2024 EV gain parity and fall below the cost of buying INCE cars, they are already much cheaper to run and service. If an emergency get a taxi, I might have had a beer or two (the Black Heart Brew Dog was quite good on St Patricks Day as I could not get Murphys and I am not a fan of Gunniess_ Wait a few months or maybe a year or so and EVs will be driving themselves if the reports on TESLA FSD (supervised not beta) v12 are correct.

Thereabouts, doing it when I am asleep at costing me only 2p for each mile whilst the ICE drive goes to a smelly place with carcinogenic particles in the air, has to leave the motorway/road to do this, take time out to do this rather than just get in the car which is full of traction power, after just pre-conditioning the car with ones phone so it is nice and warm and de-iced. The ICE owner has just deposited a load if money in to Putin or a Saudi prince's bank balance, rather than using renewable energy. ICE driver drive drives off further polluting the world he and his/her kids and grandkids will try and live in suffering the cumulative harm of burning stuff pollution.....

Works in 30 M locations in the UK........ (compared to the dwindling number of petrol stations. I have not got a petrol pump at home but I do have a 3 pin socket outlet)

Not sure it does for many and it did not for me in that I wanted to pay less than £300 a month for the car and the Zoe EV was that. Yes I have got a big ICE car for long journeys and that is also less than £300 a month. I need to do 10k plus miles for work a year so as many companies do the give a car allowance, which is sadly taxed but what I wish they would adopt quickly is to start using the Uk Gov EV salary sacrifice scheme which has had massive take up. One think companies seem reticent to do is give company EV charging cards as there is not the check, as with fuel stations, that you are actually filling up the car with the reg you are suppose to !!

We are vey well off for chargers in Worcester with around 200 public charge points if one included the 26 at Worcester Parkway railway station and the price is 36p per kWh. Soon-not-to-be PM Sunak was asked directly about making public chargers charge VAT at 5% rather than the current 20% ie in line with those than can home charge. As per usual he did not even answer the question in any way, ignored it. At least he is true to form giving advantages to the well off rather than the less well off again, like the NI ate lowering next weekend. 5p to 10p off most public charger rate would be very nice. One local charger was charging 28p per kWh but it was oft ICE'd, it seemed to be fussy using their charging App too, this was at a community centre and there was only 1 post with two AC outlets. DC outlets are all well over 50p per kWh but 22 kWh AC would suit Zoe owners. Need both Frankley North and Strensham services to get the 24-30 Gridserve and TESLA charger banks and then a price war to start !!