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Price of lease on many EVs, including Skoda N-Yak, ID4, Nissan Leaf (silly small sized battery one, I tried to order the proper sized battery one with similar range to the Zoe but long wait), the Toyota lecky B4buyaSubaru, and the out-going Polestar 2 model, new much better model due soon, all well down in monthly lease costs either to compete with TESLA, shift excess stock/ inventory to get some money in the bank now sales are so relatively poor........

Still do not like the front end look. Save it now before production, please, for the job at Cowley, Oxford.

Well done Pierre for your third place in the Dutch GP, Alpine's second podium this year. Will Jeremy Clarkson, who said Alpine would not get any podiums, now have deliver another trailer of beer from Diddly Squat Farm as he did for Ocon's podium, round to the Enstone, Oxford site near his farm ??? (see vid below ) https://www.tsn.ca/auto-racing/max-verstappen-captures-rainy-dutch-gp-wins-ninth-straight-race-to-tie-f1-record-1.2000577

Thanks for explanation. We live in strange financial times. People are loathed to change cars or houses as the currently financial deals are mostly awful at rates of 7% and above. Managed to get 0% on the two thirds of my son's Clio ETECH purchase over and above the deposit. Pensions that are equity rather than final salary are in a terrible mess with the UK 2 year Gilts at 5% pa make the 1% or so Gilts taken out a year or two ago look very poor investment. I have spoken to several people and know from my own pension fund that they have effectively lost about a quarter of their value due to UK economy's woes over the last year or so, hopefully the Gilts decline has troughed and will start to recover from here. Car manufacturers and dealers and going to have to suffer low or negative margins to move their cars as the world either enters a recession, or a to it that it is a recession in all but name. Might be good for buyers with the cash. With my lad, who I hope can be in a position to buy a small flat or house in a year or two when property prices look like they are going to stop falling, bought the hybrid Clio to sure mortgage lenders he can pay a debt and he was verging on getting over £1k in interest per year so would have been taxed on it. Car insurance was a bit of a shock but that seems normal. I will definitely factor in insurance costs if/when I get a Model 3 Highland, if they drop below £40K and the VED luxury level, as cars that quick must be expensive to insure. The Zoe EV is not too bad, nor is the Arkana mild hybrid at about £400 per year each.

European sales of EV continue to grow strongly as diesels diminish quickly and petrols are roughtly static ........

Good to know, also an Electroverse ie Octopus customer. It is a multi-role site, ie for those use park and ride and those just passing around Oxford looking for a boost charge to get one home travelling West-East on the A roads or North - South on the A34.

Apologies for digging this up from a couple of days ago but is it not uncommon, when one finishes employment, certainly is so in the Civil service and with tax free lump sumps from private pension plans which about half of people have and no is mandatory for all employed ie secondary pension scheme, that many, fully acknowledge not all by a long way, not only have the periodic pension, 4 weekly I read as I am preparing to retire myself sometime in the next few months or couple of years, as just turned 62, so in one month in the year one gets two £1k pension payments and, as postulated many have a lump sum of thousands or tens of thousands, tax free, when one retires. Sure I will get accused of being out of touch but is that not the full story that there is periodic payments but also lump sums as there is salary and bonus in many job ? Living on £1k a month gross or net, I would have thought impossible just about anywhere in the UK never mind London and there is, or should be other state help on council tax as well as other living costs. The use of EVs on a hourly, daily basis I am sure will become the norm so that people do not have to pay annual insurance, road tax etc for a asset they only use a minority of days a year. I still find public transport a pain to use, despite Worcester's new £50M railway station and will not use it until the new HS2 station is up and running at Sollihull then I just need my little Zoe, or a driverless taxi to take me to most places in the UK and no other cars in my life.

Charge points must continue charging at a minimum appropriate level matched to the power if charger whether that is 10p a minute or 50p or £1 That will move people on.

Why confused Graham ? Source London have just over 2,000 charge points, this was run by my a subsidiary of my company as were a few dozen specially made EVs under the Blue Car name which was also part of the my multinational conglomerate that as well as rolling out charge points actually had cars made, thousands of them, using our propatory solid state batteries ? Is the something that is confusing about that or something else ??

We had a few in London, dozens I recall, but we had over 5,000 in Paris and we still have some in Singapore but these car projects were not economically viable at the time so we pulled out and disposed of the cars, selling them off mostly. We still are involved in 6m and 12m buses in several locations around the world and still make solid state lithium metal polyamide batteries and have licences which are used by Mercedes bus division. We concentrate on Media more now and have even sold my division of logistics to another massive French logistics and shipping line. The large scale Paris car sharing scheme Autolib could take up to 100,000 cars off the road in a day, some cars could be hired, in 6 minute slices, up to 40 times a day. Paris authority paid us a subsistence of a few tens of millions of euros, as I presume London did to a much lesser extent but eventually did not want to continuing playing ball. It was an interesting experiment that had much merit but it was not the right time or perhaps right paradigm or did not get enough support and of the right kind. One day we there might be much less personal ownership and much more cars, probably TESLAs, which will arrive at ones house, driverless, and then take you where you want to go and then return to the pool of cars. Probably only need a tenth of the cars we currently have, virtually no individual ownership. Times a changing.

I have just said that many modern houses built since the 1930s do have drives as this is when the advent of the motor car, but also not forgetting motorcycle as in these periods motorbikes were as common as cars, but older houses need a difference solutions. So, as mention with my work with Source London and my company's work in Paris and other cities the charging post can be seen in their tens of thousands as so in London (and these charge posts in Paris and Singapore etc) .... ... Big picture is with our Blue cars we built with Alpine and Pininfarina. The French company Total now continue as owner of Source London to continue the expansion across London. Mandatory Credit: Photo by Gill Allen/Shutterstock (9229938e) Five newly installed electric vehicle charging points by Source London, SSE Green Renewable Energy on Haldane Place Electric car charging points, London, UK – 18 Nov 2017 No easy job as London has over 40 Boroughs so the roll out was much more administratively diverse than it was in Paris which is a unitary authority. Tapping in to single phase and sometime three phase, the cost of the hardware would surprise many just what a massive exercise it is but there are now over 2,000 such charge points in central london and some of the outer london areas in addition as well. My company is not in this world although we still work in solid state batteries and hold several key patents.

Always told to start the oil removal first when the oil is warmest, this service checks the tyres, wtf.

I would not say a few, I would have thought going on for half. Where I live in Worcester, an area called Warndon Villages, built mainly in the nineteen nineties, as with a huge number of big builds done towards the end of the last century and even in to this century these are massive estates and with nearly all the houses with driveways, this estate added about 10% in to the population of Worcester and this is a smaller development than such as Bradley Stoke Bristol which added housing for 20K whereas my estate added around 10k. There are many hundreds of such estates round the country and this added to the housing from the 1930s onwards that tended to have drives, such as my parents houses I lived in in the sixties and seventies. All capable of having EV charges for the off road parking. Then there are the massive schemes by Source London, and in Oxford and several other cities to put charges on kerbside posts and lampposts and the like. My company owned Source London before selling it to Texico and the rollout was certainly challenging, much more so than what we did in Paris. So there are solutions for both those with off road parking and street parking. I have seen this schemes charging half the motorway EV charging prices. Another option done here in Worcester is at the local community centres but also the super markets and fast food outlets are increasingly got EV charging to pull you in and at lower than other places rates. That guy with Porsche is a click bait kn**. No sympathy for the twonk. I have full EV, full hybrid and mild hybrid. I am much happier taking the EV for service than the hybrids, it simply is much cheaper as there is so little to do. Ah, change the cabin filter and kick the tyres for service A and B. One has to be careful as dealerships will try and charge for brake fluid changes, when it might not need it, over priced 12v lead acid battery replacement, no thanks I will get Halfrauds to do it, or National, with my trade discount thanks. JUst simply much cheaper to service as they are much simpler motors, no engine oil, no oil filter, no fuel filter etc etc. Companies are making workers come back to work at least 3 days a week, some now pushing for 4 so more miles being done. This is evidenced by there being much more accidents last year, much more accidents claims and now car premiums up by half or more as insurers losing money. We have a bank of ten 7 kw chargers at Heathrow, some are suppose to be 22kW but not wired up correctly. Sometimes, if visiting some of my warehouses I just park near the warehouse big doors or a side window and us my Granny cable to get some charge, that is the beauty 30M location I can charge at ie most businesses as well as family and friends. Pay family/friends 40p per Wh, VAT at only 5%, and we both win. With Items 4 the price of EVs, particularly TESLAs, are in a steady lowering path as the batteries become cheaper and cheaper. Should affect all other car firms who can tap in the Chinese Li-Fe-Ph batteries and maybe even "Na" ones soon. Those firms that seemed to have missed the bus ie VW, Ford, Stelantis etc need to do deals pronto to get a source for these cheaper, but better performing batteries else they will be bankrupt by the end of this decade. I do not think EV drivers mind paying road tax. It was and is an incentive as was the government subsidy on buying the car and towards the install of the charge, very nice thank-you government and other UK tax payers. About £100 would be fine, £8.34 a month, fair enough. Present UK government has failed to keep UK Excise duty on fuel increasing with inflation so definitely like to see the abolition of the 5p per litre pandemic reduction and then excise duty on both petrol and diesel rising with inflation. With the UK in such an economic mess with national debt rising from below 50% in the noughties to its current sky high level which we have only previously seen during the Depression and during WW2.... An EV is much cheaper and I can see this owning one along side ICE cars over the last two years.

The eleventh commandment, accidently left on Mount Sinai by Mosses stated "Never pay Retail". The RRP does mean something but getting 5,10, 15, 20% discount is the fun of car buying. I am presuming RRP must be a reported to government value with its importance with the luxury VED tax, even if one does get a£1K, £2k off or whatever. Probably would need a test case with the over-batterying of cars like the TESLAs. I just want to see the new TESLA model 3 Highland being reported at sub £40k "retail". Having worked and working with several car, and motorcycle importers it is interesting to see those export and import values which, much due to taxes etc, are quite different to those retail prices. Which is the better value to work with ? TESLA look like they will be increasingly looking to see cars directly to UK customers. Come down to the docks and pick up your car and save a packet. In customs we have six different methods for valuation. Transaction is the primary one use about 99% of the time, the other methods, same, similar, retail minus, cost plus and customs agreed are the other 5 methods. They have to be looked at in turn and this is the basis for customs valuation. Perhaps better than an importer stated RRP.

You forget the multitude of other advantages of EVs. Most of us with EVs charge at home at something like 7.5p per kWh and not 75p per kWh, imagine being able to buy fuel at 20p a litre (oh I can as I have a company fuel card). But in addition to most EV driver Fuelling up, at home, friends, holiday, at a tenth of the price, (and VAT at 5%), We have cheaper servicing, about half the price of ICE vehicles, Significant percentage of EV drivers can charge up at work at zero or low cost (how many ICR drivers can do that ?) Price of EVs, driven mainly by TESLA and Chinese company like SAIC ie MG, Maxus as well as Volvo, Polestar and lowering buy, lease prices several times through the year Two years more of free road tax and will the 2025 UK government, who are likely to be more EV friendly, like maintain some lower VED for EVs. I am sure I could think of another five, not all relate to cost, such as EVs being even easier than ICE cars to drive with one pedal driving, so one fells fresher after driving. The list is long and so....

The battery being 50% of the car value might be close to being true for the early lithium batteries and for those cars with the biggest optional battery sizes but that is no longer true as many companies, particularly technical advanced ones like TESLA have moved on to Lithium Iron Phosphate packs which are much cheaper and both packs have been falling in price a part from a spike of a few months a year or two ago. A case which is being followed in the States is where TESLA fitted a larger batter pack but the order they had was for a smaller battery pack ie 60 kws and not one of the 90 kwh pack sizes. The current owner, and many agree with his argument is he thought he had a 60 kWh car with the consequential weight and energy efficiency of a lighter car when it turns out he has been hauling around 30 kwh, presumably about quarter of a tonne, more battery pack so is unhappy being asked for a few thousand dollars to software unlock the hidden part of the pack. Hopefully be able to work it out and then the world would have another fine 90 kwh Model S which is great car and much better than the 60 kwh version...... https://www.carscoops.com/2023/07/4500-bill-to-unlock-extra-battery-capacity-has-people-taking-sides-between-tesla-and-customer/ $4,500 Bill To Unlock Extra Battery Capacity Has People Taking Sides Between Tesla And Customer The customer bought a used Model S P60 and then found out that he had additional battery capacity that he was locked out of using. t’s been a long time since Tesla sold the 60 kWH version of its Model S but that isn’t stopping it from ruffling feathers today. The owner of a used, but new-to-him Model S found out after the purchase that he’s carrying around the extra weight associated with his 90 kWh battery pack. And he’s not too keen on the fact that he can’t use that extra power without forking out $4,500. Tesla got into the practice of selling a car with a software-limited battery pack more than half a decade ago. It would sell a 60 kWh battery pack in a car but limit it to just 40 kWh unless the buyer paid extra. In the case we’re discussing today, the Model S in question was originally equipped with a 60 kWh battery but now has a newer 90 kWh pack. When he found out that it had extra capacity and that Tesla was only willing to unlock it for $4,500, he took to Reddit to complain. “I paid for 60kwh so I want a 60kwh battery so I don’t waste energy carrying the extra weight a bigger battery brings… If I’m carrying around a battery that weighs more I want to get something out of that extra weight,” they say. Tesla certainly has the right, though perhaps not the moral high ground, to do whatever it would like. The buyer is also certainly at liberty to feel however they’d like to about the situation

With TESLA more like the other way like here is an extra 100 up or unlocking 20 kWh of battery that was installed by software locked down now made available to owner for a small price or free as is happening.

I think you need to click across the business slider which shows £507 but this is is for the current Model 3 and the new, and better, Highland Model 3 is anticipated to be cheaper than this. £691 is the personal cost number and not proper salary sacrifice. These cars are oft for workers who spend much of their weekly work hours going between offices and clients and the car is just a high spec trade tool and not an indulgence. Those in the top ten percent have every empathy with those in the lower centiles and have been pointing out the actions of the UK government to feather the nests of the top twenty percent or so to the determent of the lower paid and I am constantly amazed on the lack of action from those disadvantaged by their government. Uk News announces bosses get 16% pay rise, what do lower paid do, very little, UK government get ride of the extra 1,5% NI, saves me loads, extending the amount one can put in to ones pension from £40k to £60k a year all feathering the nests of te already well off yet what do the UK lower paid do ? Very little. Doctors, Nurses, Teachers, Train drivers all do about workers pay erosion over the last 13 years where as bosses of failing companies continue to pay themselves extraordinary amounts for failure. UK citizens should do a lot more active political action if they want to change inequality. They will get their chance in a matter of months or so. Being in the bottom centiles is also not a prerequisite to those knowing what is best for them as the vote for BREXIT showed where poor areas were some of the strongest supporters even though it was predicted it would take 5% of GDP and this is what it apparently done as we compare the UK to Ireland. Back to EVs and it is good that those with larger disposal income have early adopted EVs as this is helping with air quality and speeding up the mass adoption which should benefit the larger driving public but we all breath the same air and I fully support the cities that are introducing ULEZs and will be proud on my next journey down to Heathrow and look forward to seeing the signs I will pass saying it is a ULEZ area. EVs are gresat to drive in traffic, even easier than a mild hybrid as I can one pedal drive in the Zoe or even Clio ETECH,

Is that the pre salary sacrifice number ie one can take 40% off for the tax relief using salary sacrifice Octopus advertise. I would go for only 3 months pre payment rather than 3 or even only 1 month if possible as it is the monthly payment that is getting the tax relief for full EVs. £9k car allowance pa is not unusually high car allowance for a national role private sector role I find.

Common misunderstanding that it is against the purchase of another car. No it is just to scrap the old polluting car. Spend the money on another car or on public transport, on Ubers (which it aims to be zero emission in 16 months time. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jun/08/uber-aims-for-greener-trips-and-to-expand-london-electric-vehicle-fleet Generous offer in my view and plenty of options for this bung of tax payers money.

TESLA is so far ahead in terms of production technology, where they have their factories ie the Shanghai mega factory, as well as Berlin and US. It is not price gauging but rather TESLA reducing the price becuase they can. The still make a profit, yes they see other car manufacturers are making EVs at a loss and TESLA just keep on forging ahead until the other car companies wither and die. It is not a evil plan just capitalism and the builder of a better mouse trap prevails. Your leap to talking about London ULEZ I find the "logic" not logical. There are tens of thousands of (petrol) cars for £1k or £2k never mind £3,£4,£5k that are stacked on SE England car lots. A petrol of 20 years ago is probably London ULEZ Euro 4 compliant. My London (Heathrow) office is in the ULEZ zone so the 100 or so staff there have the issues and many are not massively paid and hopefully they all find away to comply. The ULEZ zone is one tool that helps tackle the London pollution which major expert bodies have said shortens the lives of 10,000 Londoners, and visitors (?) each year. Worth a bit of car swapping I reckon. People in the countryside can run the dirty diesels which is exactly where diesels are suited to and not in an urban environment in my view. The UK has an acute problem with a minimum wage which is below liveable, especially in London. That is what we get with a UK government of the current persuasion. As they tough it out. Looks likely to change in about a year and we can see how they perform but they will be inheriting three times the debt that the Cons did in 2010 so a pickle of giga size.

Rather than Sales price myself, like probably hundreds of thousands of UK employees, are looking at the monthly payments through a salary sacrifice scheme. We are suppose to be engaging with the Octopus salary sacrifice scheme, who can apparently put through second hand cars through the scheme now which is much under reported as a major change, chance of getting a really tidy Model S, 100 battery or maybe a 90, would be my ideal ride, low mileage although insane mileage ones, 100k, 150k, still seem to be like almost new. How can any humdrum car company like VW, BMW, Mercedes compete with a company that makes space rockets that re-land back to earth. And in all this most humans are not aware that the TESLA car company is just the magicians distraction to TESLA coming in and taking over electricity supply to both houses and cars.

A trait of the EVs being launch each year, nd comparing their price and range comparatively year after year, and especially TESLA who drive the price and make what is destined to be the world's best selling model of a car ie the Model Y, appears to be getting incrementally better by several percent each year ie cheaper but better range performance. The TESLA model 3, launched 5 years ago now, was a benchmark and cost to consumers in some markets now dropped below £25k, when government (US etc) subsidies applied. New "Highland" model is projected to be even cheaper in real terms as it benefits from cheaper battery pack that have higher energy density plus over 20 other major technical features. Hopefully price of model 3 will now fall below £40K, current cheapest new one is...... £40.5K https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/m3/order/LRW3228_f2b9e0c0f820c726a3da366f161b6647?titleStatus=new&redirect=no#overview TESLA state and show working how running an EV like the model 3 costs hundred of pounds less per month, certainly something I am seeing myself in both fuelling and servicing costs. Days, in more accurately a few years, left for ICE cars as mainstream transport on our roads, some will survive as relics for auto shows but in terms on mile per mile cost, a contest being lost by ICE cars hand over fist to EVS it is becoming clear. e

In litres, or UK gallons, or both, but also preferably a digital rather than analogue displace. VW Group cars are better than some in that at least they continue to show range, kilometers or miles, when the fuel light comes on, and that event is one of the best guides to actual fuel left in the tank, usually, it seems, around 7 litre or a gallon and a half in old money. Renault, for reasons only guessed at, remove the miles left just after the reserve fuel light comes on. Love to know why ? Presumably so you do not get near the dregs of the tank, suck in what could be gunky fuel in the those last dregs. Skoda Fabia VRS would go well below zero miles range ie 15 or more, which is a non-sense, and then one could put over 50 litres in a 45 litre tank if one pressed the little button in the filler month, and it wanted 98 octane fuel so quite a pricy fill up for a little car but then it could also do an indicated 60 mpg when pottering along. 630 miles between fill ups best I got. Wish car manuals made it easier to know what the reserve light actual is telling one how much fuel is left. As with many cars it would stay showing full for at least a hundred miles before moving off the full tank indication on the dial. Even EVs tell drivers a partial story. Western EVs mostly carry a reserve of ten or twenty miles beyond empty and all the ones I know start limiting performance when getting near an empty battery. Chinese cars, not so much. Hydrocarbon fuel has been getting more expensive as Russia and Saudi supply less or supply less or none to certain countries due to embargos. Luckily those with a mixed fleet are going to be benefitting with cheaper electricity as prices continue to fall. Also a factor that bosses, along with their 16% pay rises, are sometimes on company schemes like having fuel cars so effectively are only paying 40 or 45%, or maybe on 20% if using the new £60k ceiling for tax free pension contributions, of the fuel price as a BIK. Fuel cards, I think, do not even pay the published at the petrol station price, think they get a bit of discount. At least UK government still discounting excise duty by the 5p a litre but that could come off as the £200B per year interest on debt starts to bite.

What feature" choose the Vredestein over the Michelin CC2 then ? It was going to be my natural choice using National Tyres 15% off for 4 tyres and may mostly in 2024 sounded a good deal.