Lady Elanore

I think he refers to the Moonie Butt radiators

You should see the other side! It's just as bad, except it has massive toe-out!

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I dun a neuw photie. The car had just driven 200 miles and not been washed, as the detailer recommended leaving it a few days first. If only I could have taken photos on the day he did the car It does look a bit better if you click on the image rather than just view it in the web page.

How can I say you are anything but a man of impeccable taste ... sometimes 😛 It's sad, though, that there seems to be more Porsche SUVs than their sports cars.

They might fake the lambo sound, but there is a funny video of daft quick Tesla on the Nürburgring and it starts losing it's brakes after around a third of lap and totally pedal to floor at around 2/3rds, no brakes at all. The power goes into a semi limp mode at roughly halfway round because of overheating, I think. No, if I have to have an EV and it makes fake noises I want it to be something I'm not ashamed of, such as the Jetsons 'weeble weeble' noise, or a Horn that goes "Oi, soppy bo0ll0x, avast!" or some such.

Ah, but then you get those days when you follow something exotic, if you are lucky, a V12 Lamborghini and you would be disappointed if the driver didn't put his foot down in a tunnel. I guess you have to take the rough with the smooth. I tried a 'foot down' in my M3 and apart from it accelerating quite quickly it sounded rather, well, smooth. BMW have got the straight 6 sound back, but thanks to all the filters in the exhaust, the sound is rather muted and as there are a couple of turbos on the front, there isn't much induction noise. Times they are a' changin' 😞

I am disappointed I can't order this mega sounding drink 😞

I have to ask, is that a real drink you can order, that Venti Grande? I don't drink posh coffee, a flat white does me, but I think I want one just to be able to say I have drunk it. If I had a pure EV I would like it to make a pirate noise. Sort of "Arrrrrh" that changes in pitch (slightly) and volume (a lot) as I accelerate/decelerate and perhaps go "Shiver me timbers" when I hit the horn

It's true that people are partly linked to their 'era' in the dreams and aspirations they have. I once spoke to Lee McKenzie (a much younger woman) about the sound of the current crop of F1 cars. I thought they sounded like electric cows and hate the mooing sound they make, nowhere near as exciting or as enthralling as even a good road car - hello Lamborghini, I'm looking at you - but she thought they sounded great. I am of course blinked by have heard the V8s, V12s and V10s of the pure petrol era (as she had too but perhaps not in the nostalgic way i think of them) and the noise is pretty peerless compared to any pinnacle motorsport. So perhaps today's generation are happy with naff sounding V6s and Bleep and Booster wizzing noises from EVs and feel no special attachment or desire towards the dinosaurs that are soon to leave these shores (well new ones will initially). But then I think, everyone likes dinosaurs and if a thing is 'right', then it's 'right'. Maybe I also need to get a V8 before I retire, even though I said I would never buy another silly car before I retire...

The electric 'thing' removes so much of my connection with an event or control of an action that it stifles so much potential pleasure from even the most mundane things. My last few cars have all had electric steering, which have been universally horrible. Even the M3 doesn't have any real feel to it. It's incredibly accurate and certainly goes where you point it, but there is also a lost connection, as there is in all the electrical systems that now proliferate modern cars. Perhaps these forums will become tech enthusiast forums, or efficiency worshipping sites, but I'd be surprised if they remain as car enthusiast forums. Having said that, young people 'tune' their cars with a destruction of their exhaust systems and a remap. 30 minutes work and they have an under braked, overly loud, back firing, understeering missile. They love it, it's cheap, effective and they can pretend they are in fast and furious. Tuning cars was once a skilled, time consuming and ultimately expensive experience. You felt you had earned every meagre horsepower, could feel that extra cats-eye bump with your uprated dampers and coils and learned to live with your now squeaky brakes that underperformed until they were warm The journey was part of the experience and ultimately gave you more satisfaction (and pain) than a simple plug and play fix. But kids seem to prefer playing Fifa to actually kicking a ball around and so forth. Centuries of doing things the hard way and gaining untold and unexpected reward from this, is coming to an end and I think we will be a poorer society for it. But the one thing you can't stop is progress, even if it isn't what everyone wants.

I am undoubtedly a tech head, I installed a HIVE system in my house and have most lights now on PIRs, Most electrical things are on mains powered remote switching plugs, Inverter tech in a few kitchen items, heat pump condensing tumble dryer etc, OLED telly, don't get me started on hifi. DSLR cameras, e-bike, Hybrididdy work car, several laptops and tablets, Alexa and Goole pod/puck thingies x many, enough cable to rewire the national grid around Manchester and Lord knows how many power banks floating around weighing me and my life down. I'm basically out of control as my work spills over into my private life But I think the fact that we can happily discuss fridges alongside EVs is a pointer as to how different mindsets work. I'm not convinced at all that battery EVs are the answer to anything, although I admit that Petrol and Derv has probably had its day. Mind you, the day I retire, a hell of a lot of my lesser tech is going straight into the bin and my phone will be taking a step back to Neanderthal capabilities.

That looks quite quick! ^^^^

I got used to Autos having had a DSG as my first and then a combination of auto and DSG type gearboxes after that. The current ZF in my BMW is amazingly quick, almost as quick as a DSG (DCT in BMW speak) and also extremely smooth. It does take a tiny bit of a leap of faith when you first go over to autos, but I don't think I'll ever go back to manual, partly because my knees aren't as good as they used to be and things like 2 hours of stop-start crawl around Heathrow just about does them in. Electric is fine for going to the shops though, I don't mind that at all, but there is no enjoyment in it. It's a bit like having a Swiss built, clockwork chronograph watch or a digital battery one. The battery version keeps time better, which you can easily argue is the point of a watch, but the analogue masterpiece of beautiful engineering is the one to covet for many. I don't own either myself, but can see the attraction for the artisan built jewel of a timekeeper, the battery one however is merely a thing with a function that I would feel attached to in the same way as I'm attached to my fridge. I like my fridge, it's really useful, it's where I keep my gin, but it could be any old white goods box as long as it performed adequately.

Blimey, you have forgotten a fair few there, I think!

It is mine, for the next few years, hopefully (you never know what the future will bring). I had it detailed at Magic Detail here in Manchester, as they have done a couple of other cars for me That rather large nose (which I like, but there again I find Jean Reno really sexy and he has a huge nose ) is rather prone to stone chips, so I had PPF applied to the front of the car. It's already taken its first hit and hopefully the paint underneath is fine. Sadly, after parting with a fair of cash, I pulled out of the studio and said to Matt the detailer, "it looks like rain", at which point it pretty much dumped a cloud on me. Then I continued to drive it 150 miles in thunderstorms and on resurfaced roads, where stone chippings had been liberally been applied with complete abandonment to a road surface that was as dry and unsticky as a billiard ball. To make matters worse I attempted to wash the car at my fathers and found the water pressure of his hose was terrible, the car shampoo he gave me was as old as my record collection and the chamois he said he would fetch was an old tea towel. So then my car was filthy and covered in strange shampoo/water-spot hybrid circles. I'll never learn

I hadn't even considered the warm beer conudrum.

Although she was obviously hedging her bets and branching out, this isn't strictly a petrol engine thing, or even a green thing .... er, in the EV sense. I think you can get great satisfaction pootling along in a petrol engined car, well below the speed limits. Some of my happiest memories were going slowly in a V8 TVR (top burble) and an MG Midget (top down). It's not all about speed for me. I've had several little Fiats that you had to rev the bezeesus off to get going, but they were great fun and had great character. Many electric cars have speed, but they somehow leave me cold. It's a bit like 'meatless' meat substitutes. In isolation, they are fine, quite pleasant even and you can't argue their green credentials, but once you have had a real bacon sandwich... well there's no going back.

I done a photo It's best to click on and open it that way as the image is a lot sharper

I realise my above post is starting to stray too far from the OP, So I've started one that's slightly more appropriate here

So this isn't meant as a stage for slagging 'EV's or 'ICE' cars, but hopefully it's a backwater place where people can speak of their changing stance and love for EVs. They are a new thing in general terms and we are still getting to grips with the infrastructure and the unique compromises and benefits that EVs bring. Personally I like the idea of instant torque, great acceleration and quiet cruising, however I don't like the range issues (that may be of more concern to me than you) and lack of what I can only really describe as soul. A combustion engine and a gearbox, yes I don't like CVTs either is so emotive and gives me genuine pleasure to hear, see and feel the whole 'mechanicalness' of the shebang. I can't see myself ever truly loving an EV, even if ultimately I may end up admiring them. What say you?

Are you still reviewing, Rob? I don't see your links any more, or am I looking in the wrong place?

Just got back from a car show and apart from there not being any EVs on show (it was a supercar show though, so not that many qualify yet), the ones driving to and from the event were all giving it 'tippy toes' driving, unlike the petrol heads. Not saying the young thrusters driving was exemplary, of course - it wasn't, but here does seem to be a different mindset. The friend and colleague with the Mustang just told me of a typical tale of charging woe, driving from the North West to Norfolk recently. I'm sure things will eventually improve once more high speed chargers are freely available, but I am 100% not getting one until that extra infrastructure is in place. I like my colleagues, rely on having a licence and several of those people now have EVs in the family as a second car, they simply can't use it very often for work and none drive in an 'enthusiastic' manner in them. That's fine with me, some people enjoy a spirited drive and some don't, there is no shame in driving with a weather eye on range. In fact, I often hear EV drivers talking about how they maximise range and they genuinely get enjoyment out of hypermiling. Perhaps it's the new thing? Car forums will be populated with members talking about how they hypermile, rather than their latests decat and ECU tune? It would certainly spare us from the backfiring which seems to be all the rage these days. I can stare at batteries and electric motors all day at work, and run my electric toothbrush if I want to hear electrical things in action, but the visceral thrills of ICE cars is a much more emotive thing and I will never pay money to go look at electric cars at a show. I'd rather go to a tool shop and ask to view their Black and Deckers. To hear the Aventador SVJ having a bit of a rev at the show was wonderful, if a little worrying that it might not have been warmed up properly, but my definition of fun in a car currently doesn't include EVs. Splashing the cash isn't even an option for me, if you are referring to Petrol/diesel costs? I could have bought a more economical car, but the fuel costs are secondary to being able to get to and from work.

Both cars sounded nice, but the real deal does sound awesome. The brakes were a shock though even if the performance wasn't and that's including the crazy drag from all those wings.

I'm meeting a friend tomorrow who has a Mach-E and apart form them buying the wrong Mustang, I was keen to see what all the fuss is about (it does get generally very good reviews). But the only thing she's said so far is the range is nowhere near 379 miles and it's really quiet. She drives gently, too. But what I would be really interested in, is to see what her husband would get for range, as he has always had sports/fast cars and exercises his rather heavy foot a lot. I can't see him caring about range, so it would be interesting to know, as if I one day buy full EV then I suspect I too would chew through the available charge. Ever other person I know with an EV drives it to maximise range in general, I don't know any EV equivalents of the 'turbo-nutter-barsteward' .... yet!