Graham Butcher

Well if the parameters for the emissions are right that might be true, but not so for diesels, and if I had to sell my old diesel and buy another that it comply, it would have been cost prohibitive for me. As it was my old car got written off and so I was able to get a newer model with the payout that did comply. This still came at a cost, I lost the car I had from new, with full known history and 78,000 miles on the clock for a car with unknown history apart from a HPI check etc, and 140,000 miles on the clock, one with similar miles was out of my reach.

Oh its one of those then, well I guess then the emissions are within the parameters.

Arh, don't get confused, driving in central is called the congestion zone and is where all cars except electric do have to pay, the ULEZ is for all areas within the M25 circle but outside the central zone.

Apparently not then??? My 2013 reg car was Euro 5 and my 2017 is Euro 6.

Not at surprised, the conditions such as battery level, engine temperature etc have to be at certain levels before the stop/start system can kick in, and then, some cars if not all cars fitted with that system, have a push button which cab switch this out of circuit, indeed there are even "cheat" systems on the market to permanently block this system from operating.

Don't believe all the guff that the authorities are telling you, the air in the UK is extremely clean and so is the air in London and is perfectly safe. There are far more PM2.5 particles coming from gas being burnt as a means of heating, cooking and industrial processes then there are coming from ICE, its just the motorist is a far easier target and a cash cow and suits the narrative. There are many millions living in houses, all burning gas and yet do not own a car, relying on public transport, so the car driver is easier revenue source.

Have you actually ran your registration plate through the ULEZ checking website? I notice that there are 2 checkboxes, 1 for UK registered, and the other non UK registered, so if you have then just maybe they might be saying that we don't you in London? As you can see, my old car was non-compliant But my replacement car is complaint. Check your Vehicle (tfl.gov.uk)

Well a 2005 Aston Martin emits 394gm/km CO2, costs £395 to tax a year and yet is ULEZ compliant so drivers of supercars of similar ages and newer should be exempt from the charges so I doubt that they would be complaining and much the same for the Chelsea tractors and other higher end vehicles. Of course, people less well off will be buying them as they become older and therefore affordable if their cars are not exempt then it will not be those cars that will be seen turning up at protests. As to classic cars, yes they are exempt, so drivers of those cars etc are probably protesting as they also oppose what many see as yet another money grab?

Nope I don't have any evidence, just applying some logic to it. Clearly the poorest are more likely to have the oldest cars and it is those which are most polluting. My old Superb 2013 was Euro 5 and non compliant, but my current one 2016 is Euro 6 and is fully compliant, so a car does not have to be from the 90s to be chargeable. Also, the rich can afford to replace their cars more often and they like to have the latest models.

It might well be the minority, but the chances are that they are ones doing low paid jobs and ones which we would consider to be vital and were more than likely classified as vital in the past events and these are the ones being hammered by the cost of going to work.

@olddog True and he also a few 2 cylinder air cooled models to chose from as well. That F4 model however, although it only has the one bench seat, is in fact designed to seat 2 people.

They have been busy getting the public purse into private hands and still more to come I fear.

OK, thanks, they are quirky to say the least but apparently sell or sold for $10,000 each.

Has anybody ever heard of a car brand called ElectraMeccanica? Then ever heard of their car called Solos? More of a covered 3 wheeled motorcycles than cars but hey, they are a bona fide 100% electric vehicle, single seat with 2 doors. EDIT: Extra This video is not the original one I posted as that turned out to be private, not quite sure as to how I was able to see it in the first place but hey ho. This particular model is a newer one then those in the private video which were basic models selling around the $10,000 mark, these ones are twice that, wtf.

It might be going to get a little bit easier for folk who don't have the capability of home charging with the government's new scheme with on street parking and charging via kerbside chargers. However these are not likely to be be outside the owners houses, I doubt. Government grant for home EV charging expanded to include on-street parking | Regit

When I was having company cars, one company used to source cars from all over the UK and get the best deal they could and the dealers would hire these drivers to drive the cars across the UK to my home and then I'd give them a lift to somewhere they wanted to go in order to catch a train home or hitch a ride on a motorway etc. It was the least I could for them after their long trip.

I got that, but these are just drivers who carry their own trade plates to drive on. The dealer could have placed it onto a diesel lorry and delivered it themselves but elected to take the lowest cost option. All of which is a clear demonstration of the pitfalls of buying a car from a dealer miles away and having it delivered, rather than collecting personally. When I purchased my car, I went from Chelmsford upto Mansfield and drove it back myself.

Geez, you guys are such harsh critics, do you not understand that this is NOT his own car, nor is it one that he has any access to normally, he is just a driver who gets to pick up a car from a dealer and drive it to the new customer where ever. They often just get told to report to a dealer at X location, and they will have a vehicle that needs to driven to Y location, and they might not even know what the vehicle is until they get to X and handed the keys by the dealer. When would he have had the opportunity to do any research on the car and its settings, or plan his route to take in the best chargers, etc. He was using an app which showed him where the chargers were supposed to be, some were, some weren't. Where there was plenty, as he clearly showed, they were all busy, and he had to use whatever was available and also wait in a queue. Likewise, he would not have known anything about what size of battery pack the car had, or even if it had an onboard charger etc. He could have been picking up any type of vehicle, even a Hydrogen powered one and he just has to get on with the job of driving from X to Y and take off the trade plates, tuck them under his arm and find a way back home again, thats it. You guys have had your respective electric cars for a while, and you also researched them before getting them, you were/are in a privileged position compared to these people who are not given the time to swot up on their vehicles. 😠

How about this video blog of car delivery driver, delivering a Citroen C4E from St Ives, Cornwall to Northampton, 320 miles and it took over 10 hours and multiple charging stops to make the delivery, which also included an overnight stopover. This is his text from the video which is not visible if viewed through this forum, only visible if viewed on YT directly. Drive a car from Cornwall to Northampton. Nice and easy. Not when it’s a milk float, the charging network is a disaster, it’s Easter holidays and the services are busy, and you’ve got a milk float with a crap range to start off with. Started out nice and turned into an epic of Gone with the Wind proportions. Mental. And reality. And definitely not progress.

Yeah but I hadn't searched for anything to do with wall chargers or hacking them, infact even here there was no mention of them being hacked.

Strange that we should be discussing data connections to wall chargers yesterday because this video was in my recommended watch list today. It seems that some present security risks and can be hacked and could even cripple the power grid as well, it is claimed. @J.R. The last few words in the video will be music to your ears. 😉

You know, part of me is wondering what are the chances that big oil and energy are going to get our money one way or another. What are the chances they are all heavily into batteries, solar etc already if the truth was to be known?

Talking about supermarkets, we have 2 large Tesco stores and loads of local ones, 2 Morrisons and many local ones, 1 Asda and 1 Sainsburys (large), 3 Aldi and 1 Lidl and looking at their charging points, it is almost none existent. Morrisons 2 spaces. Sainsburys 0 spaces Asda 0 spaces Aldi 0 spaces Lidl 0 spaces Tesco 6 spaces Street chargers None Public car parks only 4 have chargers, 2 spaces each. Park and ride 2353 spaces, 6 charging spaces. Hardly encouraging is it.

This is what I would have expected to be the case, because like it or not everybody is going to be finding some power issues once the majority of cars in daily use are electric, there will be even bigger peaks on demand then we currently have and power stations, cannot be built and put into service overnight. The UK has known about this problem for a long tome, and like us, I suspect many other countries are also falling behind in their preparedness for transition from ICE and also gas for heating over to electric.

@lol-lol The video by Dave is not anything new really, of course oil giants are looking after their profits and working on something to replace oil with. The sale and closure of petrol stations was happening long before electric cars were even a thing, just like high streets and their range of shops have been in decline. Likewise, pubs have also been closing down at an alarming rate, many have become restaurants and many have just closed and laying empty, there are loads of them around my area of the country. The rise of supermarkets and now even hypermarkets are the main factor and as they continue to grow, our choice of product also deaminises as the old specialised shops are forced to close their doors because of reduced footfall in town centres, and these retail giants are only interested in stocking and selling what they can make the most return on. That said however, there can also be no denying that as more electric cars hit the road, the rate of petrol station closures will increase.